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  1. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    No, Jon wasn't looking for excuses. And he didn't invent anything to execute Janos. As I already pointed out earlier in this thread Jon gave Slynte the command of Greyguard despite his personal feelings towards him. And when Slynt refused he made it clear that this was not an offer but an order. And he gave Slynt the night to think it over and also hopes that Slynt comes to his senses: "...He could only hope that a night's sleep would bring Lord Janos to his senses. The next morning proved that the hope was vain."  This contradicts your claim that Jon was looking for excuses to kill Slynt. He actually hoped for the opposite. But in the common room in front of other brothers as well as Stannis men Slynt refuses Jon's order a second time and not only that he also insults him. This is insubordination and Jon has to punish him. And Jon thinks the possibilities through he has. And when he thinks it through he also considers the probable future behaviour of Slynt. And this prognosis is based on the past beheviour of Slynt. I already pointed out this is a common practice when sentencing someone. And the situation in the first book, when Jon attempts to join Robb's campaign is a total different one. It it an attempt, but no desertion. And with the help of his friends Jon gives it up and goes back voluntarily. And he also shows remorse and would have accepted punishment from LC Mormont. And because of this Mormont gives him a second chance, which Jon takes. As others already pointed out, Jon also gave Slynt a second chance, but Slynt blew this.
  2. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    So much this. Jon gave Slynt a chance despite his personal feelings. And after Slynt refuses the first time Jon even hopes that Slynt comes to his senses. Jon doesn't act on his emotions when executing Slynt but on a very rational thought process.
  3. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Slynt refused Jon's orders two times. This was insubordination and the reason he was executed. This is waht is written in the text.
  4. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Yeah, probably. As well as the thirty me.n who will do the actual work.
  5. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Of course, one of the reasons Jon choose Greyguard as the place to send Slynt to, was that he was not be able to plot. In my opinion a wise move and no punishment. It is a hard job, but most jobs in the Night's Watch are and Jon tries to use his personnel as good as possible. But nowhere in the text it is indicated that Jon hopes that Slynt would decline the command. Actually exact the opposite. Jon thinks that Slynt has some abilities - he disusses this shortly with Giant, who gets the command of Icemark. And after Slynt declines the first time he hopes that he comes to his his senses - I already quoted this. So no, Jon did not goad Slynt to decline the offer.
  6. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    You really don't understand it. Of course Jon thinks about Slynt and how he hates him and how it would be satisfying to kill him. But despite his personal feelings Jon offers him the commanding position at Greyguard. And I asked it in my last post and do so again. Which other suitable position could Jon offer to Slynt? And Slynt refuses this command by Jon. And he not only refusses but he also insults Jon. And still Jon gives him another chance to think it over. And the next morning Jon confronts Slynt again in the common room. And Slynt refusses again and he also insults Jon again. This time in front of all present NW members. This is insubordination and this is the reason Jon punishers him. And nowhere there is any indication that revenge has anything to do with his decision. Otherwises you are free to quote. And regarding the sentence, Jon ponders the possibilities. And yes, the prognosis what Slynt would do in the future plays a part. The prognosis of future behaviour also plays a part in sentencing today. A judge also considers possible future behaviour based on the past behaviour of the accused. He also considers if the accused shows remorse. As Janos' behavour clearly shows that he probably would't change and he doesn't show remorse Jon comes to the conclusion that no other option would work. And again, this is a very rational decision.
  7. Wylla Manderly

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Jon didn't kill Janos Slynt to avenge his father. He executed him because of Slynts insubordination. This is what was written in the text. Yes he ponders about killing Slynt before he receives him. But when Slynt finally shows up Jon gives him the chance to command the Greyguard. This was a command and not some minor job. Actually, based on my reading of the text, this was the best position Slynt could hope to achieve at this moment. Otherwise you could point out which positions were available, which could suit Janos. When Slynt refuses, Jon gives him another night to think it over. And he actually hopes that Slynt comes to his senses: "...He could only hope that a night's sleep would bring Lord Janos to his senses. The next morning proved that the hope was vain." And Jon then gives Janos another chance. And Janos defies him in front of all the people. And then Jon again ponders his possibilities. And nowhere regarding his actual decision he thinks about avenging his father. He thinks about what Slynt did and which possibilties he has. It was a very rational decision. But this already was pointed out by a lot of other posters in the first thread. So this shouldn't be new to you. So your statement, that Jon killed Slynt to avenge his father ist just plain wrong.
  8. Wylla Manderly

    Bowen Marsh was right to remove Jon from office.

    BS. Ramsay directly threatens the Nights Watch or what do you think "and I will not trouble you or your black crows" means? Suing them. Writing more letters? From the context of the lettter it is clear, that this can only mean "attacking the Nights Watch". And when you see what happened to the people in Winterfell, when Ramsay took it, or the Ironborn at Moat Cailin, the most likely outcom is the destruction of the Watch and the killing of its members. And there is nothing to prevent the attack, because Jon can't commit to Ramsay's demands, because he doesn't have Ramsay's bride or Reek and the other person are under guest right. And even if he could it would be the morally wrong thing to do. So the only prudent thing to do for Jon is to choose the battleground. And this is what he tried to do. And he also tried to desengage the Watch and only try to take the Wildlings with him, so the Watch members could try to claim deniability and have more time for preparation.
  9. Wylla Manderly

    German politics xth attempt

    The AFD can't go to the Supreme Court (thankfully). They have no right to sue in this matter, because they are not affected by this law directly. The only options would be 1/3 of the members of the Bundestag or one of the Federal States. And I'm not sure the CDU gets 1/3 of the members of the Bundestag together. And the only Federal State I could see would be Bavaria.
  10. Wylla Manderly

    ASOIAF in everyday life... Gooble Gobble...

    In the small town I used to work I came across a van which belonged to a craftsman. It said Familie Stark - Kamin- und Heizungsbau ( family Stark - construction/installation of fireplaces and radiators/heaters). And of course my first thought was: yeah, winter is coming.