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  1. HouseLancaster

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    That WAS the other but too - if Rickon dies??? Then would they need Jon for the Stark name?
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    But if Sanaa isn't a Queen and marries, what then for her Stark name?? We're talking in terms of whether there would be any need for Bran to legit Jon as a Stark if the only Stark's left are the gals
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    IF Rickon dies though - Sansa and Arya would be married off to other Houses right (IF they were to marry)? That would certainly carry on the line but not the Stark name ...I might be confusing this with modern marriage, and the bigger House actually takes president(??) In truth I see Ayra more likely to marry than Sansa, which I suppose wouldn't bode well... always thought George's plan was to role reverse their destinies; the girl who dreams of marrying a prince ends up a loner, and the Stark who wanted to be a warrior gets the love story (I guess with a prince of sorts if it's Gendry) and ends up a Lady.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    This is a really nice summing up/ evaluation and along the lines of what I think. If Sansa does take power in the Vale, what you think to Bran legitimising Jon to carry on the Stark name in Winterfell (can he even breed?) as Warden of the North? I still also half suspect Jorah will be the 2,000 commander at Castle Black - I can imagine people thinking all this is a little to neat at this stage though.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Ahhh you might have read my message and thought I'm for everything that happened in the show to be so in the book. I'm not. I can see King Bran, Dany's madness and Jon ending her being so though - but happening in a totally different more logical way. At the end of the day you can make arguments fore/against every character being accepted in a position of power until you're blue in the face. It's all about how Martin lays out the plot and turn of events. One of the sad things about GOT is that we still (really) have no idea how the story is going to unfold (because what the show did was incomprehensible). The small council at the end of GOT I largely think is folly though.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I agree. That's the key part isn't it - IF it's told properly. Should the Starks WIN the thrown it would be difficult for anyone in that society to question Bran being named (they'd not long before accepted Joffrey and Tommen). Also the show runners couldn't work out/imagine what to do with any of the magical elements of the show - which badly effected the Bran and the 'great war'.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    The only story beats I can see being Martin's at this point, are; Bran - King (but as Bran!), maybe Tyrion as Hand too Dany's apparent madness Jon killing Dany Asha - lady of Iron Islands, but that's an easy one, and Brienne - Kingsguard In book 6 I figured; Jon, Asha and co would conquer the North, Sansa would gain influence/control over the Vale, then there's the Brotherhood in the Riverlands and they all converge around the Twins. To cut a long story short, by the end the fAegon, Dany, Cersei situation is resolved, Bran plays an integral role in defeating the Others and the Starks take/save the 7 Kingdoms. Bran being the oldest male of the House is named King. After which, Bran legitimises Jon (the Stark name needs to be carried on), he wardens the North and Sansa ends up either Lady of Riverun or the Vale (Warden of the West?). Arya will retain her humanity, grow up (like her Aunt did) - maybe rules Stormlands with Gendry? And I can still see Jorah being the 1000's commander of the Nightswatch. Bronn gets nothing, Sam is not Grand Meistser and the major southern Houses are still in tact. As a rule, I just think the characters arcs will progress, and their final positions will be won/earned - unlike in the show.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Ah but that's not what I was talking about. I was saying actions of certain characters, for example, the decision or idea to go North and grab a WW had nothing to do with Bran. Everything you've said seems to be more issues with bad writing, and a general lack of interest in explaining /exploring the mythology from the TV show makers. Tbf the explanations of the non magic elements of the show appear just as conflicting and half baked - but I'm beyond worrying about that stuff now
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Yep, all good points no one who has watched the show can claim to have an answer for. Well, beyond bad writing. Maybe they are planning to pull a 3ER is evil twist at the end, I don't know. At the moment, it seems like we're supposed to think he's good - and right now I don't think D&Ds plotting deserves any deeper interpretation than that
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    As a basic example the good is that they were trying to stop the WW, it's not like Wildlings weren't been slaughtered. Everything else is just interpretation and assumptions based on how events unfolded. There is no justification based on what has been presented to us to make Bran responsible for decisions Jon, Daenerys, Tyrion etc have made with regards to the WW and Kings Landing. It's hindsight on a rediculous scale for events/people, as far we know, he had no impact over.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I don't know about this either. Again it's a stretch to call Bran evil. We don't even know what he knows or knew, if he can even make sense of the flashes of the future he''s seen, if he even know's was the future. What went down in Kingslanding - was he watching, did he know, can he warg into creature from such distance? Has any of this ever been clarified? YES, if he is to be king I really hope his human side returns to him first. I do think if someone told me at the end of s1 that sweet kid would end up as king - I would have been extatic (the journey there hasnt been so good though). Also, language!!
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    There has been no evidence to suggest Bran has warged into another person since the Hodor tragedy. Nor has there been any scene to imply he's abusing his abilities purely for the aquisition of power. And given how the show telegraph's plot points I would give very little chance to this narrative becoming apparent with only one hour (ish) to go. It's also worth noting, I'm not saying theyre pure, both Bran and the Raven have been a force for good - and that's all we've really been given thus far.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I've always thought Dany would be the mad queen (final villain) in the books, there is plenty of ground work laid for it. One imagines the progression to be a lot more satisfying when Martin plot's it though. Likewise with Jamie, I wasn't sure which way his arc would swing (failed redemption what not) but now I've seen it in the show - I don't doubt the same will happen in the books. If D&D folowed his arc more accurately, he should have a abandoned Cersei in s5 (right?) Giving him more time to revert back as appose to delaying his redemption and then doing a U turn in the last eps.
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    What is the role of Gendry?

    Yes, he would! 1) Being a blacksmith is an easy way to mirror Robert's strength and use of hammer 2) if you read between the lines, there's more indication that he's destined to be a fighter than develop his smithin' 3) He had to do something, blacksmith is very obvious low born occupation 4) I can think of a few other medieval films where the hero in waiting was a blacksmith (without ever crafting a magic weapon) 5) This isn't Gendry's story and it's OK if he doesn't contribute to the narrative in such an integral way. There's not much time left to introduce this concept of him mastering Valeryan steel. I'm not saying it won't happen but if you consider they might be developing his relationship to Arya, adding this function would mean a lot of screen time for a secondary character. I don't mind if it happens, I just don't think there has been any evidence/hints thus far to suggest it (and in the books, he hadn't even made a sword yet).
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    What is the role of Gendry?

    I think this is reaching. Tywin's statement makes it sound like it wasn't Mott. And given how heavy handed D&D are with giving out information - I think this is the case. Thus I also think its fair to say the Mott Valaryen Steel Gendry connection will not be part of the show (pretty sure he didn't know in the books either). Forging Dragon Glass, Arya and fighting is a lot in the final season for a recently popped up Gendry. He doesn't need to also make a magic weopn with 5 eps to go. Could be wrong though
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