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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    I don't know, a lie is a lie honorable or not. Ned lied to the world when he declared Jon Snow as his bastard son. He had a choice of betraying the honor to his friend King Robert or his sister Lyanna. The way I see it, if Jon dies in the war versus the Undead his lie doesn't matter. If he survives the war versus the Undead, Jon has no obligation to fulfill a promise to serve a queen who did not hold up her end of the deal. Jaime explained it quite well, "if the dead win, they come down and kill us all. if the living win, they come down and kill us all for the betrayal" But now that I think about it, I bet if Jon bends the knee to Cersei she would probably do the exact same thing as she is doing now so in the end none of it matters and Jon not only saves some face by sticking to his word with Dany but he also got to make babies with the Khaleesi. That was Jon's plan all along, Jon = win lol
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    If Jon had learned about how his "father" Ned was the keeper of one of the biggest lies in Westerosi history about Jon's lineage, I think he would have followed suit and bent the knee to Cersei in the understanding that there is a far, far bigger picture than who's allegiance he pledges to and his whole idea about what "honor" means. Ned saw the bigger picture when it came about raising Jon as his own and sacrificed his honor for the sake of his nephew of royal decent. It wasn't important at that time that anyone knew about Jon, I think what was more important to Lyanna and her promise request was that Jon be kept safe and schooled well. By the time of that promise Rhaegar was dead, his family was dead and there was no real future for Lyanna if she had survived to explain it all. Ned's biggest lie in regards to Jon was the most honorable thing he did in his life. Ned risked the lives of his own family and all of its history for Jon, for the bigger picture. If Jon ends up fulfilling the PtwP prophecy, Ned ultimately saved Westeros using a lie. Jon will probably end up just like Ned in the end, never knowing about his lineage and go on sacrificing his own life for his distorted idea of what he was taught "honor" was from his "father".
  3. By the was things are going, Jon and Dany are heading towards a tragically romantic ending ie. Rhaegar/Lyanna and similar to Robb/Talisa in the show. Thematically, Martin seems to not favor the heroic/romantic fairy tale endings as in other stories. Too predictable and not accurate to what happens in real life. The Martin version of "love" in his story has literally caused thousands of people to die throughout Westeros, why? Because someone fell in love with someone who was forbidden to them. Robert/Lyanna/Rhaegar, Robb/Talisa, Littlefinger/Catelyn/Lysa, how many people had to die just because of these romances. Just saying that the ending with Lannisters ruling or even the Greyjoys ruling over what is left of Westeros would be a fitting end. If Tyrion ends up on the Iron Throne by way of him being a secret Targ or through an election, he can still honor his marriage to Sansa making her the "younger, beautiful queen" to succeed Cersei as well as the Valonqar prophecy of either Jaime or Tyrion ultimately destroying Cersei some how.
  4. Looking back on S7 again, it seemed to me once Drogon and Jon "hit it off" Dany was wooed from that point on. It just so happens to be the fact that Jon is part Targaryen is the main reason why Drogon was welcoming to Jon, unbeknownst to either Dany or Jon. It is the ultimate sign of approval if your kids like the new potential mate. Dario never had that relationship with any of the dragons. The only other "Targ" who was amicable with the Dragons was Tyrion, if you had to choose which relative to make babies with who would you rather have? In the end I think both Jon and Dany will indeed perish saving Westeros on their dragons and it will come to light that actually Tyrion is a Targaryen and then he has the rightful claim to the Iron Throne. It may appear as though the Lannisters win the Game of Thrones but it is actually the Targaryens. Bittersweet ending complete.
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    Yes but in the end Jon got laid for being honest, win. Screw Westeros, Westeros screwed both Jon and Dany over from birth. They should be pissed off at Westeros and here they are sacrificing multiple lives for them.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    This is pretty obvious that Arya in the show appears to have "lost it", but I am starting to think Bran saves the day at the last second and reconciles the sisters. I would hate it too, but what a way to cap of those shenanigans Arya getting stabbed in the stomach 3 times and go on living crap back in S6. A cheezy ending for a cheezy storyline. But there is still hope they redeem this plot at Winterfell. If this is true then Arya might as well be the Waif in the spirit of the Faceless Men. She is a Fake Arya lol. I doubt she will ever see Jon again to find out.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    It's either one of 2 things, both involve a plot twist in the cheesiest way possible. - Arya is not Arya but is actually the Waif and Arya really died back in Bravos. She seemed very creepy and sounded much like the Waif with her words. Perhaps the Waif or Jaquen Hqar made it to Winterfell before the real Arya and perhaps a nod to the book's Fake Arya. - Or (this actually makes the most sense) Arya is blackmailing Sansa into killing Littlefinger herself to prove her loyalty to her family again. Look at the way Arya gave Sansa the dagger that was used to try and kill Bran. This is mob speak by Arya to basically prove Sansa's loyalty to House Stark once again or else face the wrath that is Arya. Arya has her sister dead to rights and she finally wins versus Sansa. I think it is safe to say that even though the show portrays LF winning the spy game with Arya, it's all a roose Think about it, how the hell can LittleFinger out-spy a Faceless assassin that can morph into anyone they want? Arya has LittleFinger all figured out and how he works the game, she doesnt even need Bran to tell her.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    My thoughts on this horrible Sansa/Arya plotline is that... I think that this is something that probably isn't even in the books when they come out. I cannot imagine George writing something out of DeGrassi High drama. If I were Sansa, I'd be freaked the f%ck out if all of my brothers and sisters came back and one was dead and resurrected, one is crippled and is a mind zombie, and my little sister is the most sinister spy-master/assassin/murderer there is. Sansa has to be going nuts at this point. The only redemption for Sansa now is that she is actually slow playing her hand and being one step ahead of LF. I highly doubt spymaster Arya hasn't already figured out LF by this point, Arya is well-trained and he spying has been done off screen. I saw a face that looked like the new maester, so it is a safe bet that he has been her this whole season. Think about it, that was the Bolton's maester - he should be dead in Arya's mind. But she can also wear faces of people who are alive so Arya probably spied on LF wearing the face of that girl she saw spying for LF. The girls conspire this whole plan to wrestle the Vale army away from LF and Robin.
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    [Spoilers] EP705 Discussion

    To me it seems to be an easy explanation on Sansa's part, she figuratively had a knife to her throat while writing it. Geez, even Cat and Robb knew that the instant they got the note. Now Arya's not that stupid and would and should comprehend Sansa's scenario at the time.
  10. And guess who is Aquaman to save him?
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    [Spoilers] EP702 Discussion

    I felt that Jon did exactly that, put her in her place. He pretty much proved to her that there are good people still in Westeros and he is one of the very very few. He so happens to be King in the North but he gave her the North without any hesitation. The writers were probably over dramatizing her "bratty" attitude to make it obvious to the audience. Although I hated that look she gave to LF, I am hoping it's the look of "I'm coming for you next a-hole!".
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    [Spoilers] EP702 Discussion

    A sea battle with over 2000 ships combined and Euron so happens to "sneak up" right onto Yara's ship with no warning. They have not seen any episode of Black Sails lately. This was the most unbelievable sequence for time and money's sake. Just shell out the extra cash and make a few more episodes so that the "time travel/teleporting" needs to stop, please.
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    [Spoilers] EP702 Discussion

    Yes, indeed. It's like they never thought to speak of this before Varys teleported onto her ship at the end of last season. Not only that but the topic of Myrcella and the Dornish. You;d think Tyrion would have beef for them killing his niece.
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    [Spoilers] EP701

    Clegane shouldve burned the farmer and little girl. They will be raised as wights to kill him before its over lol
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    [Spoilers] EP701

    Clegane shouldve burned the farmer and little girl. They will be raised as wights to kill him before its over lol
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