timstanton

it is referred to in the books by multiple characters in different ways..."they will call it a red wedding" "it was a red wedding" "it is going to be a red wedding," etc

do we see uncat in ep 10? yes or no?

multiple non-book reading friends asked me who they said.

totally agree, but usually the show runners like to have as many allusions to the title as possible.

none of this is probably true, but I was thinking about the talisa spy theory. ep. 10 is called mhysa, perhaps its a reference to talisa as a mother of robbs baby and uncat killing her in place of the random freys.

i think people seriously underestimate how much harder it is on a show to flesh out characters, there is no inner monologue. especially on a show that has such a ridiculous amount of characters. i dont get how someone can be mad that loras projects some gay stereotypes...did i miss something THE GUY IS GAY. obviously some stereotypes about gay males might shine through...stereotypes(definitely not all) are often rooted in truth. the only thing i think the show hasnt done justice to is how upset loras was after renlys death, but that had nothing to do with being gay and more about love in general. also can a stereotypical gay male in real world 2013 really be held to the same standards as a fictional gay male in a fastasy world with smoke babys, dragons and whitewalkers?

thats a great idea, doubt it would ever happen just for the fact of casting all those (new) dead characters...good idea though, they could do a lot of explanation pieces through his dreams. dont have to be so cryptic.

they really need to figure out something with brans storyline. i know his chapters in the books were so few and far between that it must be hard, but only having a few minutes of basically the same scene over and over is making my non-readers not care at all. we get it, they are wargs/greenseers etc. i just think it is going to be difficult giving it so little screen time when it is the most fantasy based story, a lot of non readers initially praised the show for its lack of non-fantasy elements. now im just rambling.

agree :cheers:

to be fair, when he said that in the show, it had only been 24 hours since he lost his hand. he had lost a lot of blood and probably wasnt thinking straight. its a lot easier in the books to examine feelings like that because you can have inner monologue. I think the show is doing a great job showing that jamie is examing who is really is and reflecting on the things/mistakes hes made in his life.

my theory. might have already been said but i dont have time at work to read 25+ pages, so im sorry. I think Cercei will manipulate Joffrey, just like Tywin said she couldnt. She will convince him to put Loras on the kingsguard, freeing her up from marriage and also sticking it to margery/stroking her own ego. My 2 cents on the jamie/cersei opinions. I like Jamie because i think he is a good person deep down who has made terrible mistakes. He eventually acknowledges those things and hates himself for it. I like his bravado, he is a lannister after all. Cercei is innately evil, which is why i dont like her. I dont agree with incest, but i dont think it is viewed quite the same in westeros.

i really liked this scene. got a little choked up, not gonna lie. i always felt that was how theon felt deep down. i liked this addition.

i think they are doing that on purpose....they dont want people to suspect any danger during the RW, they want it to be a complete shock. I think it will all happen and then the freys will have dialogue about how pissed they are

i agree with both of you. however, i think the questioning is more to emphasize that these are DRAGONS. he knows that she isnt technically queen of anything right now, if she gives away her dragons, she never will be. i think he questions her more in the books later on, but never in public or without her first asking for counsil. i dont think he fears her in the same way he feared aerys either. also, we remember that once he was given his "retirement," he said whatever he wanted to the king, so to me he comes across as an outspoken dude. its the same thing ive always said about dany...you get what you pay for...

yep, youre right again. she just says dracarys.

he must have read SoS and was like...nah bro, not on my watch...im out!

i dont think they have had an official naming ceremony or anything, but didnt she say their names last season in the house of the undying, when she burns the warlock.

the non-book readers i watch this didnt seem to notice or care that it was a different house. however, they did think that the blackfish was a huge bad a$$ and understood that robb was their king.

no, youre wrong! :P

i feel like it did. it showed her watching him after she came back and sat down, i think she understood that he talked them out of it, she must have understood that SOMETHING happened in order to go from full rape to chillin by a tree.

my vote is for areo hotah, strong belwas, or lord manderly.

thats what i figured as well. next week. that being said, it is awesome to watch with my non book reading wife and friends who have no idea she can understand that fool and are all arguing with one another over who ramsay (boy) is. they were pretty upset over a dragon trade and had some theories on that too. loved the episode, looks like its only going to go up from here.

uhhh...they have?

i watch every week with 3 non book readers. i was waiting the entire episode for sam the slayer, the reveal of ramsay (guess that wont be for A WHILE,) jamies hand and dany to reveal her understand of kraznys(sp.) when do the more seasoned readers expect these things to happen? i cant remember exactly when she revealed she could understand him, but i thought it was during the negotiating, i guess that was all one scene in the book though? anyone?

i REALLY hope you are right.