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  1. Sometimes what people see as a threat is really a warning. If your doctor says you must undergo chemotherapy or your tumour will kill you, and you think other treatments are better for you, you don't say, take the tumour off the table and stop threatening me with it. May could say she'll take no-deal off the table but such words would be as empty and meaningless as your doctor taking the tumour off the table, unless she revoked article 50, which she probably needs the consent of Parliament to do and Corbyn is opposed to.
  2. Yea, I know Verhofstadt started squealing about it but it is not his decision. And he brought it up because it started to become a live prospect.
  3. Eh, the things I am hearing it is more up in the air than that. An extension to early 2020 could be agreed even if the UK fails to come up with a coherent plan (likely). It has not been decided yet, European Council might say Yay or Nay. A no-deal Brexit is not in the interests of the EU27, regardless of the fact it would cause more damage to the UK than them. Obviously, even this could not rule out no-deal.
  4. Also, Corbyn agrees with sitting down with terrorists, like the IRA and Hamas, with no preconditions. But when it comes to the democratically elected PM of the UK he sets impossible preconditions.
  5. An extension doesn't rule out no-deal; only a revocation or a vote for the withdrawal treaty does.
  6. Positing that Corbyn actually has something in mind other than dead flies is a stretch. If you listen to Barry Gardiner Labour's actual custom union plan, where the UK has co-decision making with the EU, it will never fly. In any case, the details of a permanent customs union that isn't the backstop can't actually be negotiated now, so whining about it is just Labour stringing everyone along.
  7. He's asking for something not in the power of a British PM to grant. She can't rule out no-deal without revoking article 50. An extension to article 50 is not in her power to grant, it must be agreed by the EU27. And that only delays no-deal; it doesn't take it off the table. This is basic stuff. If the argument is May is not serious about coming to a new position Corbyn could support, and so he won't engage, that's a different matter but is not what he is saying. It is not really clear Corbyn will be asking for more than cosmetic changes either, as the backstop is a permanent customs union until the Irish border is settled.
  8. That's wonderful for you. Can you explain how you stop no-deal kicking in automatically when the clock runs out unless we revoke article.50?
  9. Depends what strongly pro-Remain Tory means. If strongly pro-remain Tories = Tories who support a 2nd referendum at the moment I think it is about 7 or so declared; Soubry, Grieve, Johnson, Gyimah, Allen, Wollaston and Lee. Obviously there are lots of strongly remain Tories supporting May's deal, in the sense they are/were strongly pro-EU, i.e. Clarke or Soames. Hard to see these supporting a 2nd referendum at the moment. And then there are the Norway crew, Morgan, Boles who might be a bit more likely to support a 2nd referendum if Norway got sunk. In 2016 (so last Parliament) about 180 Tory MPs voted Remain and 135 voted Leave. So, unless the ratio has changed, more Tory MPs are pro-Remain than pro-Leave in the very broad sense of it having been their original preference.
  10. Wrong 2. was all options are on the table including a 2nd referendum … Remainers then heard what they wanted to hear. No, just the DUP.
  11. Noes 325 Ayes 306, Govt wins the no confidence vote
  12. I think the backstop itself is irrelevant. A backstop like provision is a necessary condition of the UK getting any trade deal, even if we got an exit deal without a backstop, as Ireland has a veto on all trade deals, as an EU member state. Let us say the EU did not include provisions for Ireland in the withdrawal treaty. Ok, so the ERG gets behind the deal and it passes and the UK goes into the transition period. Then you have to negotiate a trade deal and Ireland has a VETO. Ireland would veto any trade deal which did not replicate the current backstop provisions for N. Ireland, as no Irish government would survive the fallout if they failed to do so. So backstop or no backstop the UK would be faced with an open border in Ireland, and all it entails (i.e. full-UK membership of EU customs union, bits of the SM, or checks in the Irish Sea) if it wanted anything else than no deal.
  13. I agree with every single thing you just said. edit: O, except her sense of duty being 'misguided. '
  14. Kick the can down the road. Ask for an extension for article 50. Piss away the extra time. Ask for another extension until you get to the stage where you just revoke until we can get 'things sorted out.' Never get things sorted out. Cover in terror at the wave of shit that hits you at the next general election when Nigel Farage struts into the House of Commons with 100 MPs at his back. Hope most of them will forget to turn up, get suspended, turn up at the wrong address, punch each other … It will go on and on.
  15. The Tories are more than likely to survive the confidence vote. The DUP will not vote for Corbyn now the Treaty has been rejected.
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