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  1. Maybe. Unfortunately though saying something is 'the right thing to do' is not in itself an argument of any kind. And as the only argument ever produced here as to why renaming the tower was 'the right thing to do' was the offensiveness of the name to BAME students, which it has now been conceded is actually irrelevant, we are left without any argument or reason why renaming the tower is 'the right thing to do.' Oh dear. On the other hand we have superlative reasons for restoring and maintaining the old moniker, namely because public honours to eminent individuals remind us of great human achievements, in this case intellectual achievements, inspire us to emulate those individuals and enrich our public life.
  2. You brought the petition into the discussion to provide some evidence as to how many students were actually upset by this. It fails to do this because of all the reasons I gave. There isn't anything else to say on the subject, and no amount of arm waving about thresholds and misrepresentations is going to change this fact. I did also respond to your other point about the number of people feeling offended not mattering. My view is that if your case rests on the contention that the old name of the tower 'is offensive to BAME students' it is absurd to say it doesn't matter what proportion of BAME students actually find it offensive. Such logic would allow you to proclaim the name offensive to BAME students even if no BAME student thought it was offensive. And I submit that's ridiculous.
  3. I did ask for evidence, any kind of evidence really, as to what BAME students do think about this. It is actually the anti-Hume side who have been insisting that what BAME students feel about this isn't important. Now, I don't think it would settle the argument if it turned out lots of BAME students did want the building renamed but I certainly think it is highly relevant to a discussion. It is absurd to claim it is offensive to ask BAME students to study in the tower if you think it doesn't matter whether they themselves do feel offended or not. But that's mormont's position.
  4. Not the way arguments work I'm afraid. You were the one who cited the petition. As petitions are a numbers game it is absurd to say I brought numbers into it. I originally asked for evidence as to how many black and non-white students might find this offensive. You responded 'check out the petition.' As the petition doesn't provide any evidence as to how many BAME students found the name offensive, as we don't know who signed it, and the numbers who signed it are tiny, it fails to prove your point. Asking me to pull a number out of the air is pure distraction from your failure to show the people you claim are offended by this are. If the petition had garnered 2,000 signatures from the UoE it would have been some kind of barometer of relevant opinion yes. But really any kind of respectable opinion poll of students or maybe young BAME people on this issue would have served as some kind of evidence.
  5. Has anyone criticising J K Rowling on this thread actually read the book?
  6. Ok, fair enough, didn't know that. It was built in the 1760s so I just defaulted to George III. Every day is a school day, etc.
  7. In other contexts we are happy to use terms like meaningful/reasonable without a precise formula to quantify what we mean, for example reasonable doubt in court. We don't have any proof based on the petition that a reasonable proportion of people in whose interest the building was renamed care about this. We don't know how many people who signed it were students, BAME, live in Scotland, lived in the UK, etc In this case whether the name is offensive is very subjective and depends on personal feelings. So it is relevant to know how many people are actually offended. A nation refusing to name university buildings after its finest philosopher because of a footnote in a work of his no one reads anymore anyway is very silly. I don't know I would want to say opposing views were not valid, because I don't know what you mean by that in this context.
  8. The petition has fewer than 2,000 signatures and in case anyone naively assumed it was a petition for UoE students it is not, anyone can sign it. So that's fewer than 2,000 people from wherever (the whole globe). I expect most of them were from the UK but who knows. So there's no evidence of meaningful support for the move at all. They originally wanted to rename the building after Julius Nyerere, ruler of Tanzania but he turned out to be a homophobe (in their view) so they dropped that. Now it will be named 40 George Square, which I would suspect takes its name from king George III, who was against the abolition of the slave trade.
  9. I agree. I like to consider historical figures in the round. Hume's comments were disappointing but aren't central to his philosophical work which was outstanding and so worthy of honour in my view. And many people feel the same way as I do. And I would be very interested to know how many students were genuinely upset by this and to what extent university staff 'anticipated' concerns that were held by relatively few people. Is it different in the way that matters. You're asking students to take Hume's views seriously and answer questions on them, maybe in an exam when Hume thought the said student was inferior and incapable of reason. Offensive by your logic, perhaps. You said 'it is offensive' to black and non-white students. I was, as you say, speculating and used the word 'may.' There was some polling done there that showed how few BAME people cared about the lyrics or thought they were offensive. Whether or not the BBC's decision was motivated by concerns about BLM originally some people did defend/support the decision after it was made public on the basis the lyrics were offensive, which we know was not a position that had much BAME support.
  10. Yes, well. One of those things. I have been to the University of Edinburgh on a few occasions but don't know the campus well and until I googled it just now I didn't know what the tower actually looked like. What an awful building though, almost don't mind them naming it something else now I have seen it. You are not the one who gets to say what is offensive and what isn't to black and other non-white students. If they're philosophy students they may be pleased to study their subject in David Hume Tower. They have just as much right as you or I to admire the wonderful exploration of causation and knowledge in the Treatise. In all likelihood they will have to read Hume at some point on most general philosophy courses (or at least bits of him), so living or working in a tower named after him seems the least of their troubles. Ultimately though this will be like the last night of the proms episode. Some white woke warriors will have decided black and other non-white students ought to be offended by this, which does non-white philosophy students a disservice.
  11. DHT? I don't know what that is in this context, Dental Hygiene and Therapy?
  12. Serious woke alert. David Hume has been cancelled. https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/students/2020/equality-diversity-and-inclusion-an-update Very silly as per usual. One of my favourite philosophers and one of Scotland's most famous thinkers and you can't even name a tower after him at a university.
  13. Apparently Bozzer has just told Tory MPs 'it is "necessary" to row back on aspects of a Brexit agreement - and in the process breach international law - in order to "stop a foreign power from breaking up our country". Hard to see how he backs down now - no deal it is.
  14. I was wondering if you were still here. How do you feel about reneging on international treaties and government ministers saying 'we are planning to break the law?' I mean, I sort of do it see it both ways on the Irish protocol really . But once you've signed you've got to carry through.
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