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  1. Just finished the book. It follows the Abercrombie template, so if you like Joe's previous work, you'll like this one. I will say, though, it doesn't leave much to chew on or much of an underlying conflict to really get anticipation flowing for the next book. Outside of the cliffhanger last two chapters, mostly it comes off as another stand alone in the world of the First Law. Again, the quality and consistency overall is pretty good in and of itself -- the riot chapters were a standout, for me -- but a lot of the characters, character interactions, and overall plot dynamics are feeling a bit formulaic at this point.

    Please keep in mind that fiction itself, by and large, has lost some of its luster as I get older, so my impression is certainly colored by that. It was a fine read, but I feel no real desire to ever re-read it, unlike say BSC or LAoK.

  2. 7 hours ago, Lord Patrek said:

    We were wondering whether or not readers would be eager to read A Little Hatred, what with the long wait since Abercrombie's last adult fantasy novel.

    Well, the book debuted at number 15 of the New York Times hardcover fiction bestseller list this week. :thumbsup:

    So we have our answer!

    Is that good or just Ok for this time of the year? I know that some points of the year are really slow, and making the list isn't that hard. Other points of the year are quite competitive, based on what's coming out and people's general book buying patterns.

  3. 12 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

    Ah, well now that kal has mentioned it I guess it’s out of the bag, but yeah, madness harassment, which I think is putting it kindly, was way beyond enthusiastic fan stuff.

    Edit: Which is to say, lest I be misunderstood, it was complete bullshit and the dude probably should have served some jail time for it. Fuck that noise.

    I think that's part of the problem, in that this incident did not really manifest on the forums proper -- I was there for pretty much every Bakker thread, and though it inevitably contained various veiled hostile jabs within minor arguments, the under-the-surface stuff going on (which I know nothing other than it involved RL harassment) was undetectable. At least to those of us on the margins. 

  4. On 9/20/2019 at 6:02 PM, Darth Richard II said:

    Yeah he did a bunch of teasers/things to be revealed in i _think_ TUC, and they turned out to be wrong. His excuse was they were just things he HOPED would be revealed. Whoops.

    Wasn't he the same guy who Bakker had shown TUC -- or, at least, TGO? He talked on and on about how great it'd be, it answered all these questions, then when pressed, he eventually admitted that Bakker had only shown him the first half? Or was it all bullshit? 

    All just sweat on the slog, I guess...

  5. I often come off as an elitist around here, but trust me, it was formed early on: I read the trilogy at the tender age of 13 and thought the first book was fucking dire. Of course, my standard for good fantasy at that time was LotR, the first two Gunslinger books, and The Dragonbone Chair, so of course Dragonlance would seem pretty silly in a lot of ways. I did like the second book substantially better -- it actually has narrative tension and some truly epic scenes (Tas breaking the Dragon ball, Sturm's battle), and the third book felt pretty meh. The second trilogy felt much more mature and impressive. I probably read around 30 of the individual novels, but only remember The Legend of Huma being any good.

    I picked up the series for free a couple years ago and tried to read the first book. I only got to the point where they reach the ruins and the gully dwarf before tossing it aside; it was eye-rolling pretty much every page. As Wert states, though, its historical significance as a gateway drug cannot be denied.

  6. 48 minutes ago, IlyaP said:

    Wait, what? 

    Where and when did this happen? 

    And furthermore, why? 

    Back as early as 2013, Bakker had part or maybe all of TGO/TUC finished, but began continually complaining on his blog that Overlook was dragging its feet + he had editorial turnover. What RSB didn't talk about was how he wanted to include his updated glossary but the book was "too long" for a lower-mid-list author like himself, so he entered negotiations of some kind to split the third book into two so as to retain the glossary, and fabricated, at least to some extent, Overlook's overall reluctance to assign an editor and/or initiated an email campaign on the part of the fans -- some of which were harvested here -- to show Overlook there was interest in the series. In short, RSB was kinda sorta flat-out lying about the Overlook situation through proxies, not the best sort of thing to do, particularly when the fandom is pretty hardcore and have been theorizing for five-six years straight by this point.

    Some of the principle fans involved in this campaign were not, it turns out, stable individuals, and there was some drama regarding them and other posters that I know of but don't feel qualified talking about. All in all it eventually came out that a lot of this was a feeble, ill-considered way of getting TAE to be four books rather than three, which was especially galling when the split shouldn't have happened in the first place, given how the series turned out in the end and the relative paucity of the new information given in the glossary.

  7. 19 hours ago, divica said:

    what are the leaks?

    Reddit. Google Episode IX leaks reddit and you'll see the original leak, along with a follow up clarification from a different source (one that tends to have inside information, but is also very disreputable in many, many other circumstances).

  8. The whole basic plot for TFA was online 3 months before the film came out, if not before -- that was when I skimmed through them, and though some details were wrong, the structure was pretty close.

    Again, grain of salt, Caveat Emptor. It says a lot that I avoided all leaks for The Last Jedi, believing the hype that Johnson was talented and would take the franchise to unexpected heights. Uh, well, yeah. Now I have no problem perusing leaks, as I have no lingering affection for the Sequel Trilogy and instead observe out of academic curiosity as to how they might try and salvage this train wreck coupled with lingering nostalgia for the films of my childhood.

  9. Leaks have come out in the last few days. If true, Episode IX is both a hard swing away from VIII and pretty corny crap overall -- which, of course, is par for course for this entire sequel trilogy.

    I dunno if it could get worse than the pretentious popcorn "auteur" we got with TLJ, but it certainly comes off convoluted & typical Abrams magic sparkle emptiness.

  10. On 8/19/2019 at 4:20 PM, lady narcissa said:

    I have not read any of Rothfuss's books so normally would not post in this thread but for what it is worth, I saw him on a panel at Worldcon this weekend on (writing) death and killing characters and he said he has killed 5 people off in the book he is working on.  Also boy he seems like he thinks and thinks and thinks and thinks an awful lot about what he is writing...I mean I am sure most authors do but he seemed heavily burdened by the choices he makes and what he is putting out there in the world in a way the average author probably is not.  Having children and reading books to them also seems to have changed writing for him a lot.  He seems really burdened by what he puts in books and sends out into the world since having them.  No more killing off parents in stories for him apparently because of the impact this might have on his children!

    LOL, the whole second half of WMF must be giving him the shakes at night!

  11. On 8/6/2019 at 6:48 PM, Lord Patrek said:

    There is no rhyme or reason for these things. Consider Steven Erikson's Forge of Darkness. It tanked in such a way that both his agent and editor suggested that he stop working on the Anomander Rake trilogy after the second volume and concentrate on something else. 

    And that's just a few months after The Crippled God was a bestseller on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Why didn't all Malazan fans buy the first volume in a new trilogy that would focus on the story of one of the most beloved characters of The Malazan Book of the Fallen? Impossible to say.

    It's been seven years since the last First Law book. Will it have an influence on the sales of A Little Hatred? Maybe yes, maybe no.

    The first book of Erikson's Rake trilogy did not review well and was not received well by the fan-base, the second book more so. The change of style, Erikson doubling down on the type of material his general fans tend to struggle through to get to the convergence, etc. It's not a surprise it tanked. 

    Same with Donaldson - the 2nd Covenant trilogy was released in the early 1980's. That's a huge stretch of time for a follow up. It didn't help that the third Chronicles were ... not very good.

    Tad William's is a bit of a stranger case, as he's been pretty consistent in releases, but his tendency to ramble and a very basic plot structure, coupled with several unengaging new characters and plot threads, certainly put a damper on the release of the 2nd Osten Ard series.

    Abercrombie's released four books in the last seven years, so he hasn't exactly been non-prolific. Of this particular genre, he's probably one of the more consistent authors in terms of releases and consistency in his writing. Moreover, he's pretty well liked in the community, probably for the reasons stated above along with the material itself (I'd say he's substantially improved as an author across his books, though I personally found the last volume of Shattered Sea to be a bit boring and predictable). With proper PR, this new trilogy should do fine.

  12. 3 hours ago, Lady Barbrey said:


    Does Simon play a big role in Empire of Grass?  Did anyone else dislike his reintroduction but he's growing on you?  I just don't know if I want to cringe my way through another book with my formerly beloved character!

    No, no big role. About the same as the first. He didn't grow on me, and that's one of the huge disappointments with the series. I do get the feeling he's going to strap in and so something in the third, but I'm not sure what.

    Mostly, he's hamstrung by having a psychopath for a court advisor.

  13. 2 hours ago, Zorral said:

    To say writers aren't supposed to know things is foolish.  Writers have to know a very great deal, especially if they want their fictional universe to attract readers from the first page to the last -- unless they are so young, like an average adolescent boyo, or those like Rothfuss who never grow out of that.  Which is why these adolescents enthusiastically grab on to much -- like Ayn Rand -- that are just foolish.

    And in many ways Aristotle etc. was wrong.  For another their screeds on these matters include that 'poets' create social unrest and instability because they show paths that disrupt the ruling status quo.  Are we fascist yet?  Fascists have always lugged out Aristotle and Plato....

    Making up how music is written, played, performed makes a fool of oneself.  For one thing too many people know better.  Fudging some chronology in a novel's narrative is something else, particularly when it is serving a fictional coherence.


    There's a fine line between implementing too much research in one's novel, and too little. Rothmusk flopsweats all over this line, rendering his novels both painfully inauthentic in certain details and in other places laughably long-winded.

    Rothmusk had this lame "If you've never experienced this [blank] before, you probably don't know what I'm talking about" intro scattered across the first novel whenever he was going to drop some knowledge, like how horses tire out if you ride them too fast, but thankfully he stopped doing it in the second novel. Of course, that lame line was simply replaced 10x with other lame stuff, sooo....

  14. 8 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

    Oh and sorry for the double post here, on the phone, but B&N has had a bunch of “Start a new series” displays recently, and one of them was NotW, and I’m pretty sure the lady at the bookstore thought I was crazy I laughed so hard at that one.

    I suppose that's one of the issues that triggers me -- this is seen (and constantly iterated across the infosphere) as a hallmark of the genre, the best of the decade, etc. Even with my issues with some of the other Big Names continually bandied about 'round these parts and others, I would prefer they received more attention/kudos, if nothing else than that Lynch, Sanderson, Erikson et al. don't contain (as much) problematic material and/or, for some, seem to be striving higher and pushing harder to move the genre forward to more interesting areas. To say nothing of the unfortunate trend of procrastination enabled through fame, and the tension fame then situates upon the unfinished work.

    Of course, this is also the genre where Goodkind and Brooks remain Big Names, so...... 

  15. 20 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

    Haha, that's not what woke means at all.

    Good lord. Do you also call people SJWs when you're angry?

    chill out, I'm just having fun, if the tone itself wasn't obvious. I like to make fun of the extremes on both sides, dwellers as they are in tightly-controlled fantasy zones of RightThink, continually supported by clickbaiters triggering the ire for monetization... or worse, gamed by sociopaths donning sheep's wool and subsequently discrediting progressivism by stoking ideological culture conflict to their own ends, be it for lulz or to establish corrosive ingroup bullying networks, as YA twitter is currently experiencing.

    In all seriousness, though, the last point stands. Rothfuss is being tip-toed around because he's friends with some Big Names and there's still the uncertainty as to whether book 3 will address the underlying issues. Naturally, book 3 won't be coming out anytime soon, because in all likelihood Kingkiller was a wish-fulfillment project cobbled together by DAW editors (according to gossip from this forum, by those apparently "in the know") and one of the central tensions is the wish-fulfillment quality that attracts the core fan-base, vs. the rather disturbing slippage ("women are instruments," etc.) on the surface celebrated as "good prose" and, all in all, revelatory as to the underpinning geek immaturity that seeps across the genre's history.

  16. 52 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

    I was curious about “wokekeepers” too.

    "Woke" denotes privilege, to possess the time, inclination, wealth or supportive resources, intellect and/or connections, to not be "asleep." It implies elitism, exclusivity; a vaguely dubious measurement of implied and attained virtue (but "measure is unceasing"), alongside an explicit othering of those "unwoke." In the very least, one who is woke has the privilege to spend time on the internet, describing these tenuous lines.

    The keepers of the Woke dwell at the usual loci of online social congress, continually redefining and redistributing the wages of virtue to those worthy and those to be scorned. 

    What's of much more interest, though, was the fact that wokekeepers like Lindsey Ellis are frightened to deliver exposes of the Kingkiller, in that doing so might damage their cachet among the stern hordes of the Rothmusk fandom. Censorship and self-doubt ever nips at the heels of the over-woke.

  17. 2 hours ago, sologdin said:

    My god this man is a goon. 

    am more concerned about his ideology on orthography than on gender:

    i'd read that donne essay.

    The man is a philistine. Cormac McCarthy also disdains semi-colons, an attitude that strikes me as odd, as they help give prose variety and are useful for emphasizing details without an over-reliance on dashes, or, God Help Me Bakker, italics.

  18. 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said:

    I stopped reading your post as soon as you said wokekeepers.

    why? it's handy as a summarizing phrase and it's not meant to be insulting. I came up with it because "semi-gatekeepers / trendsetters" was a bit long and overly elaborate.

    Unless, of course, you take extreme identitarianism very, very seriously, and the phrase 'woke' cannot, repeat, cannot be used in jest.

    The twitter thread itself was awesome/hilarious, tons of people being exposed to the Hobbit comparison for the very first time in 2019.

  19. 7 minutes ago, Rhom said:

    Ummm... I’m new to Rothfuss and have his books nearing the top of my To Be Read pile, so maybe I’ve missed something... but that blog post comes across completely as self mocking satire.  Is that not something that’s allowed anymore?

    There's a pattern.


    And if you've read the books, the above Rothmusk post starts to make eerie correlation to his main character, a virgin who tames a Sex Goddess Succubus 'cause he's just so.damn.good the first time he gets into sexytime (oh, he sings to her too, so don't ha-rumph at me, Scott. The whole sequence is eye-rolling redonkulous.)

    Tongue in cheek or not, Rothmusk is hilarious with all the other stuff in mind.

  20. So, on Twitter a couple days back, there was a fairly detailed conversation among some wokekeepers discussing how little blowback Rothfuss gets for his, er, problematic elements, with the conclusion drawn that 1) Rothfuss has a lot of friends/support in the industry, and 2) some -- Lindsey Ellis was mentioned -- tiptoe around the subject because of the spammy assholishness of Rothfuss's hardcore fans regarding any criticism.

    In any case, this blog here was brought up -- https://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2013/04/punctuation/

    ...and has it never come to light here? My god this man is a goon. 

    Kvothe is a complete insert, folks. 

    "...To understand her statement, you have to realize that I am the next stage in human evolution. My pheromonic musk is developed to the point where it’s practically a weapon. In the best of circumstances, I smell masculine. And on a day when I’m staying home and have skipped my morning shower…

    Well…. suffice to say that you know there’s a man in the house, even if you can’t see me.

    On top of that, I’d been writing. I don’t know why, but when I’m writing, my man-smell gets particularly strong. It’s like my body is trying to establish its dominance over reality itself.

    The effects of this pheromonal cocktail vary, but with a select section of the female populous it has two profound, complimentary effects.

    1. It delivers a message directly to the woman’s hindbrain, saying: THERE IS A MAN NEARBY, AND YOU MUST MATE WITH HIM.

    2. It immediately drops the woman’s intelligence anywhere from 10-50 IQ points, which makes it hard for them to realize that mating with me is *obviously* a bad idea, while at the same time rendering them more vulnerable to my not inconsiderable charm."


    Da girls become stupid and drop their panties when Rothfuss and his B.O. stroll into the room, yo. OMG. This goon is the gift that just keeps on.... giving.

  21. On 7/16/2019 at 6:34 PM, The Bard of Banefort said:

    To be honest, I don't think a lot of people out there think of asexuality as anything more than a phase, aside from psychologists, people well-versed in sexuality and, of course, asexuals themselves. It's probably going to be a very long time before we see more awareness grow on that front.

    I would consider myself pretty young (like I said earlier, I was in college when the first two seasons dropped), but I can still remember how coming out was a big deal even ten years ago. This show isn't very strict with having it's characters behave in a way that matches the times (which was one of the big criticisms I've seen of this series), but I have a hard time picturing anyone in 1980s rural Indiana coming out prior to 30. I've seen a lot of people (most of whom are probably younger than I am) saying how badly they want to see Will get a boyfriend, and I don't think they realize just how truly dangerous that would be for a teenage boy as recently as a decade ago, let alone three.

    On another front, even if this season (allegedly) got higher viewership ratings than the last two, it doesn't seem to have taken over the media in quite the same way as the last time. When season two dropped, every website was putting out pieces ranking the characters and episodes, dissecting Easter eggs, making season three predictions, etc. Now it's mostly just Buzzfeed and Screen Rant recycling click bait. I don't mind the decreased coverage--as we saw with GOT, sometimes a show getting so big can make it less fun, not more--but I guess this does say something about the longevity of our new binge-watch routine. 

    Speaking as a male who grew up in the 80's, lesbians were much more accepted by homophobes (at least, male ones), with the implied idea that a threesome might be in the picture. hardcore homophobes would sneer at the closeted-but-everyone-knows male gays and then turn around and chat amiably about girl on girl porn.

  22. 52 minutes ago, john said:

    1. The Darkness that Comes Before

    2. The Warrior Prophet

    3. Disciple of the Dog

    4. The Unholy Consult

    5. The Thousandfold Thought

    6. Neuropath

    7. The White Luck Warrior

    8. The Judging Eye

    9. The Great Ordeal

    um ...

    10. Blindsight by Peter Watts


    Please don’t let your perception of this list be distorted by your cognitively limited causal conscious experience.

    Where's Light, Truth, and Gravity???????????????