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  1. Commander Jon Snow

    sansa, arya, and dany

    I wouldn't rule the outline out completely. George used to say he knew the broad strokes of the story since 1991 and this outline is from 93. I'm not saying Sansa isn't a main character but she certainly wasn't originally conceptualized as one. Hell, I believe George even stated that she was created as a foil to Arya and to make the Starks not seem like a perfect family. I think Sansa has a good chance of surviving but we can't use the outline for that point since the outline pretty much stresses who the main characters (at the time at least) of the saga were and that they survive. We're just noting that she was not included in that list and taking that into consideration. Even though I think it is likely that she survives, I don't think it is a guarantee
  2. Commander Jon Snow

    sansa, arya, and dany

    The show will probably have some drama in the first ep but move past it pretty quick. I expect Arya to like/admire Dany because of her similarity to Queen Nymeria (George made this comparison, not me) and vice versa. I expect some drama with Sansa in the first ep because of bending the knee but considering the Wall is down, it shouldn't really matter. I expect the WW to be attacking Winterfell at either the end of the first episode or start of the second. As for the outline, it def makes it seem like those 5 will all survive. People say that it just means that they make it to the endgame and their fate is uncertain there but in context of the letter, that's not what it seems like George is saying. The sentence before he says he is willing to kill any character and then brings up those 5 as the ones who will 'survive through all 5 books'. That to me is why Sansa is still on the hot seat. A the very least, it rules out her sitting on the Iron Throne which many used to think was a possibility since George has apparently known that for over 25 years
  3. Commander Jon Snow

    sansa, arya, and dany

    Pretty much. Show!Jon is a dumbass that has had more plot armor than just about any character I have ever seen. He pretty much makes dumb decision after dumb decision and then gets bailed out by Craster's wife/Melissandre/Littlefinger/Daenerys/Benjen/whatever plot contrivance saves him. He's too stupid to be King in this version of the story To be clear I don't dislike Jon at all and I think he is sitting that throne in the end. Just read my name lol. My point is you can easily make anyone look bad using the show's uneven writing
  4. Commander Jon Snow

    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    This is how I view it. What happens in the story is not an endorsement of such actions in real life.
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    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    I believe he said that Jon and Dany were the point. Then he went on to say that George told them that their meeting/convergence was the point of the series Also, let's accept the idea that the message is that incest is bad. I don't agree but I'll accept it. That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen lol. Main hero and main heroine getting together but being related is just the kind of twist I'd expect George to play on that trope. I've never found him to be as much of a trope-breaker as people have always said
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    Season 8 Predictions?

    Well here goes nothing: 1. Jon finds out his parentage and angst about it for an episode while Daenerys is salty about not being the heir 2. The Others go through the North but are unable to take Winterfell 3. Battle falls to the riverlands and a major battle takes place at the Trident 4. Theon sacrifices his life to save Yara and kills Euron solidifying his redemption plot 5. Jamie, Brienne, and Arya all kill a White Walker at some point 6. Lot of secondary characters like Jorah, Berric, Tormund, etc.. bite it 7. Cersei launches an attack after the War of the Dawn 8. Daenerys and her forces crush her armies in a battle solidfying her as the younger, more beautiful queen. 9. Cersei attempts to burn the capital to the ground but an injured Jamie kills her and he himself dies somehow (idk how though) 10. Jon and Daenerys get married 11. Dany is revealed as pregnant at some point during the season 12. Cleganebowl happens in the final battle between Jon/Dany and Cersei 13. Varys attempts to betray Dany but she roasts him alive 14. Melissandre sacrifices herself to kill some wights
  7. Commander Jon Snow

    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    Nah I'm with you. I thought it was one of the few well done things this season. And also agree that her biggest weakness are the scenes where she is meant to be "badass". Except for the scene in s3 where she killed the slavers. That was cool as fuck
  8. Commander Jon Snow

    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    This show also pretty much sells all romance as attraction/infatuation anyway. Dany went from being raped to learning how to seduce Drogo to being in love with him in 3 episodes. Jon was Ygritte's prisoner and then he joined the Wildings, had like 2 conversations with her, had sex and fell in love with her. Robb met Talisa, flirted with her and was in love with her in like 3 episodes That's how the show has always done things. If you want depth, you're going to have to wait for the books
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    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    Thing is we are talking about the same genetic pool going back thousands of years. This never happened in the real world. It's even crazier when you consider that most families didn't marry outside their kingdom/region. What you have is cousins banging each other going back thousand of years. Real life genetics just can't be used anymore. Now that I mention it, didn't George say that genetics don't work the same in Westeros or did I imagine that? I believe he said that in response to someone asking about the Baratheon 'seed is strong' proof with all children having dark hair. Anyone who's taken a basic biology class knows why that's bogus and makes no sense in reality. So again, we have to conclude that Westerosi genetics just don't work the same as they do in our world
  10. Commander Jon Snow

    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    ^ Exactly. The very fact that these families have supposedly been around for thousands of years and marrying each other for that long by itself is not very good for the genetic diversity for nobles in Westeros. So we have to assume that genetics just work differently.
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    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    "That night she dreamt she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. But she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usurper's rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragon fire and they melted away like dew and turned the Trident into a torrent. Some small part of her knew that she was dreaming, but another part exulted. This is how it was meant to be. The other was a nightmare, and I have only now awakened." That to me seems like a def foreshadowing of her fighting the Others on the Trident. Taylor has never read the books. He's a director so his job was pretty much just to shoot the script on to the screen. Funnily enough, it wasn't because they were both main characters. He actually said that he was surprised when George told him that 'it's about Jon and Dany' because he didn't think Jon was any more important than Robb or any of the other characters at the time. "Anyways, he alluded to the fact that Jon and Dany were the point, kind of. That, at the time, there was a huge, vast array of characters, and Jon was a lowly, you know, bastard son. So it wasn't clear to us at the time.." So he didn't even realize that Jon was probably the most important male character till George told him that
  12. Commander Jon Snow

    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    I don't think the dreams said anything about converging with Jon at the Trident. All we know is that she will fight the Others from dragonback at the Trident (and this may be where the final battle takes place). She will have probably met Jon well before then Alan Taylor said they've known about the relationship since the beginning and brought up a time where GRRM mentioned that their meeting was 'the point' of the series. And also, this is way too big of a plot point to come from George himself. If Jon and Dany conceive a child in the show, they are certainly doing the same in the books
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    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    lol seriously. Genetics in the asoiaf universe are clearly not like our own. Either that or Valyrian genetics are not like ours. Daenerys herself is more inbred than some of the most most inbred royals in history considering her ancestors had been banging for 300 years. She should have three eyes and four chins. Instead, she's a genuine 10/10. Not realistic at all but it is what it is. You have to take it or leave it lol
  14. Commander Jon Snow

    [Poll] How would you rate episode 707?

    Gave it a 9. The good stuff was very good and the bad stuff wasn't too bad. The wight hunt will continue to be the biggest plot gap in this show because there's no real way to turn your brain off for it. You have to play a lot of mental gymnistics to make it work. Hopefully, now that they have reached the end of this season, the final season is pretty straightforward and I can finally move on from this fandom and forum
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    The younger, more beautiful queen . . .

    Not only that but I remember GRRM saying once that he regretted the geographic split for Feast and Dance because he had to split Cersei and Daenerys' chapters. When you consider that originally, the two were going to be compared in the same books, it makes it even more clear that the younger, more beautiful queen is Daenerys. It could be Sansa but I really don't see Sansa being Queen in this story. At this point, it's Dany or some very outside the box answer like Cersei's unborn child or Jon and Dany's future daughter lol which I think is a bit of a stretch
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