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  1. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    You appear to be right. It does however raise the question what authority one member of the Small Council would have in the field in absence of both king and hand. The only one who can make decisions in name of the king, is the Hand. Perhaps the small council can do the same in absence of both, but only unanimous I would guess, not on their own. So my guess is that the Master of Ships would either fall under the command of one of the wardens (unless the king or hand has appointed a supreme commander, which would probably be the usual way), or he may get an equal vote, but that would diminish the power of the Wardens significantly, if say two members of the Small Council would be present. It would also be confusing.
  2. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    I disagree, the Master of Ships is not necessarily the commander of ships in the field all functions of the Small Council, are advisory functions, and they are meant to stay in the Red Keep / with the king, unless the king orders them to do otherwise. They're not martial positions at all. The Master of Ships basically advises the king about how many ships to build, is responsible for their maintenance, and advises the king in where and when to use them. He just also happens to be a great commander of the fleet, but that doesn't automatically mean that he is personally in charge of the Royal fleet when that fleet is being used elsewhere. Someone would also need to stay in KL to command the rest of the fleet when KL is being attacked while a large chunk of the fleet is needed elsewhere. The thing is that these Warden positions seem to be a mostly in the field job, when decisions have to be made quickly, without the King being present. There are basically 4 people who have ultimate power in that moment, and their votes have equal bearing. I also think that this is why Ned was so worried about Tywin, he'd basically get 2 votes in a war council.
  3. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    Yeah it's utterly confusing, it definitely doesn't help that the Riverlands for instance sided with Robbie, and the Arryns did nothing, so we couldn't see Tywin as Warden of the West in action. Hmm I think the Vale must be able to take control of the Crownland armies (although they're quite meagre) is necessary. Let's look at a hypothetical pre-war situation: Robert is King, Ned is Hand, Sweetrobyn is warden of the East, and there is a big outside threat. Robert would be the kind of King to lead his armies himself, but let's say he doesn't, because it's unwise. Robert remains to defend King's Landing "just in case", but let's say KL isn't threatened, instead a huge Braavosi armie is attacking the East coast of the North. Ned, as warden of the North, takes on his duty to defend the North, which only includes the North. The North starts to lose. What's next? Sweetrobyn starts helping out (on orders of the king) as Lord paramount of the Vale, and attacks the Braavosi as well. Still no succes. Robert sends ALL his armies, only keeping some ships and the city watch to protect KL. So in the field Ned commands ghehe North, Tywin the West (Riverlands, Westerling, possibly Iron Islands). Tyrell commands the South (it may be that this doesn't include Dorne, since they're special, which means at least the Reach, and possibly the Stormlands, unless the Stormlands fall under the command of the East). So WHO commands the armies of the Crownlands in this situation? Sure it could be Ned, but the Hand doesn't necessarily have to be there, unless he was a Warden, he could've stayed in KL as well, and have Robb act as warden in his stead. Someone must automatically be the one to have that command in the field, especially with the fleet being there etc. These four wardens have to be able to sit together, and make a battle plan etc that includes a plan for the Royal fleet, right?
  4. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    If the Crownlands are not under control of any warden, then the warden of the East only has control of the Vale and possibly the Stormlands. This would also leave the East without any significant fleet, even though the greatest possible threats from outside the realm, are most likely to come from the east and south. I'm quite sure that SOMEONE must be capable to give orders to the Crownlands if both the King and the Hand are indisposed. Someone must be able to give an order to the Royal Fleet if KL is being attacked, and the King and Hand are out dancing so to say.
  5. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    I'm quite confused now, I'd totally forgotten that the title was re-appointed to others after Tywin's death. You said that it went to Davenport, and then to Jaime, but you also said it went back to the Vale...? Wo exactly holds the title now? I'm also wondering how the territories are devided amongst the wardens. Warden of the North is just the North? The south appears to include the Reach and Dorne, but I suppose the Stormlands could also be included... Stormlands could also be part of the East though, together with the Vale and the Crownlands. That leaves the Westerlands and Riverlands to the West. Well the Iron Islands too.. Although they might be included in the wardenship of the North too. Also, since I believe that the Wardenships are meant for outside threats, every warden should have a decent fleet. The North would have the apparently meagre fleet of the Manderlys. East has the fleet of King's Landing/Dragonstone, South has the Redwyne Fleet. That would leave only the Ironborn fleet for the West, so I suppose the Iron Islands most likely belong to the West wardenship. When can wardens make independent decisions/take on their role? I mean there is an outside threat from the south-east right now (Aegon), but there's no indication that the Wardens of south and east have been instructed to take charge of their regions, and brace for impact.. I know that Aegon arrived unexpected, and is underestimated, but I wonder if and when the wardens will become important. Will they be activated when Dany arrives?
  6. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    Interesting thread! This whole warden stuff got me thinking.. I always wondered if there was an actual point in that Tywin was made Warden of the West AND East, or that it was just to demonstrate how power hungry the Lannisters are, which was obvious anyway, so it didn't add much. So your conversation made me think, now that Tywin is dead, Jaime is still KG and Tyrion is out of the picture (for now), Cercei is the Lady of the Rock, which means that she's also Warden of E & W, which would give her a lot of (theoretical) power in absence (or death) of King Tommen, but would also leave the East and west wardenless if anything would happen to her. Besides, there's someone else who has a greater claim to the title of Lord of Casterly Rock; Tyrion. Now it gets really interesting, because Tyrion also has a claim to Winterfest, through his marriage to Sansa... Which would practically make him Warden of the North, East AND West!!! If he sides with Dany, which I think he will, and also ride a dragon, which I also find quite likely, he would have nearly as much power as the King or Queen him-/herself!! Now he would have control of north, east and west in absence of the king, which means that if Dany is off to fight ice zombies with Jon (which is inevitable at some point), Tyrion would be in the best position IMAGINABLE to take over the IT! This would basically be the exact scenario that Ned feared, when he mentioned his worries about Tywin as warden of half of the country. Only with dragons in the game as well... Interesting no? It seems like a pretty realistic scenario, and it would work too if Tyrion would side with Aegon either instead of Dany or later on...
  7. Turned into food: The famous singer stew The Frey pies People Ramsay feeds to his dogs Brienne's cheek Arguably Vargo's ear Osha's group of wildling being eaten by the direwolves Warged animals eating people (most notably Summer with Bran inside, and Arya's wolf dreams) The mysterious "pork" provided by Coldhands. Soldiers in Stannis's army eating the dead. That's all I can think of for now (in this category)
  8. Manderly's Rat Cook

    [twow Spoilers] Arianne II, Part 2

    I have considered Varys, because Lysono Maar reminds me strongly of him. He doesn't seem to be Varys though. Varys is generally described as being plump, and I don't recognise that in the description of lysono. I don't think it would be Varys in disguise either, seems Varys seems to prefer dressing up as rather unnoticeable creatures. Besides that, Varys' disguises seem to conceal his identity a bit, but aren't faceless men good. If people take a second look at him they generally recognise him, which is probably why he dresses up as unnoticeable characters. In this disguise JonCon, being Aerys' former hand would definitely have recognised him. I don't think he's one of Varys ' spies either, since he doesn't fit into the little birds network idea. He might (a big MIGHT)be an ex little bird, a big bird so to say, but I don't think he'd be do obvious then. In my opinion the only thing that could link him toVarys, is that he could possibly be a eunuch, but at the moment I can't really see the purpose of that either, and not every effeminate guy is a eunuch of course. He's probably from Lys though, like Varys, but that still doesn't make him Varys, or means there's a connection. Except for the Varys vibe he has about him there are no real Varys hints. I'm certain Varys has spies in the Golden Company though, I just don't think lysono is one of them.
  9. Manderly's Rat Cook

    [twow Spoilers] Arianne II, Part 2

    @Lord Varys I agree that Lysono's involvement in the capturing of Storm's End is a bit far farfetched. However, I don't think Euron's involvement is. We don't know how much he does or doesn't know about anything, only that he might have some sort of foresight, or wizards. Euron could also want lysono to find something in Storm's End, if indeed there is a connection. We know he's interested in magical items. I've seen a lot of people speculate about whether or not a septon would believe in other gods, but I think the point of that passage is the mentioning of the storm and the sea God, and link Lysono (or something else in this chapter) to (probably) the ironborn. That also places Doran's question -why these storms never reached Dorne - in a different perspective. The ironborn never had much interest in raiding Dorne, but there might also be a more magical protection against the more magical ironborn aspects; sea and storm. Edit: Euron (or someone else) might also have had lysono infiltrate in the Golden Company without any knowledge of Aegon. It was known for quite some time that they were waiting for something. Anyone with that knowledge, who's smart enough, would like to have a spy there.
  10. Manderly's Rat Cook

    [twow Spoilers] Arianne II, Part 2

    Has anyone else noticed the Euron hints in this chapter? 1. The septon mentioned the 'stolen' daughter of two gods, which are the stormgod and the seagod respectively. If I remember correctly. Who believe in those 2 gods? The ironborn! 2. Lysono Maar is a strange and exotic figure wearing lots of jewellery who surrounds himself by what appear to be mutes. Now who else surrounds himself by weird, exotic looking people and mutes? Our dear friend Euron! I know this is a bit crackpot, but it stood out to me. Euron could have found some long forgotten info on capturing Storm's End, and lysono might be the reason why Aegon actually managed to capture the impregnable place. Haldon halfmaester seems surprised they don't know it yet, which seems to imply that Lysono must have known already. The question is: why would Euron have someone infiltrate the Golden Company, and support Aegon if he's after marrying Dany? I believe he might want to prepare the path for Dany by establishing the first Targ territories in Westeros, only to have Aegon killed (by Lysono) later, and take over his supporters with Dany. Aegon supporters cannot go back to supporting the Lannisters or Tyrells so easily after joining a Targ, because of treason, so joining another Targ would be the safer option. I know this is all highly speculative, but it doesn't seem entirely unlikely, and since Lysono must be working for somebody (must be, because both Arianne and Jon feel uneasy about him) and because Arianne thinks so explicitly about storm and seagod, Euron seems a likely candidate. Now I wonder why the storm and seagod never reach Dorne...
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