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  1. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    You appear to be right. It does however raise the question what authority one member of the Small Council would have in the field in absence of both king and hand. The only one who can make decisions in name of the king, is the Hand. Perhaps the small council can do the same in absence of both, but only unanimous I would guess, not on their own. So my guess is that the Master of Ships would either fall under the command of one of the wardens (unless the king or hand has appointed a supreme commander, which would probably be the usual way), or he may get an equal vote, but that would diminish the power of the Wardens significantly, if say two members of the Small Council would be present. It would also be confusing.
  2. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    I disagree, the Master of Ships is not necessarily the commander of ships in the field all functions of the Small Council, are advisory functions, and they are meant to stay in the Red Keep / with the king, unless the king orders them to do otherwise. They're not martial positions at all. The Master of Ships basically advises the king about how many ships to build, is responsible for their maintenance, and advises the king in where and when to use them. He just also happens to be a great commander of the fleet, but that doesn't automatically mean that he is personally in charge of the Royal fleet when that fleet is being used elsewhere. Someone would also need to stay in KL to command the rest of the fleet when KL is being attacked while a large chunk of the fleet is needed elsewhere. The thing is that these Warden positions seem to be a mostly in the field job, when decisions have to be made quickly, without the King being present. There are basically 4 people who have ultimate power in that moment, and their votes have equal bearing. I also think that this is why Ned was so worried about Tywin, he'd basically get 2 votes in a war council.
  3. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    Yeah it's utterly confusing, it definitely doesn't help that the Riverlands for instance sided with Robbie, and the Arryns did nothing, so we couldn't see Tywin as Warden of the West in action. Hmm I think the Vale must be able to take control of the Crownland armies (although they're quite meagre) is necessary. Let's look at a hypothetical pre-war situation: Robert is King, Ned is Hand, Sweetrobyn is warden of the East, and there is a big outside threat. Robert would be the kind of King to lead his armies himself, but let's say he doesn't, because it's unwise. Robert remains to defend King's Landing "just in case", but let's say KL isn't threatened, instead a huge Braavosi armie is attacking the East coast of the North. Ned, as warden of the North, takes on his duty to defend the North, which only includes the North. The North starts to lose. What's next? Sweetrobyn starts helping out (on orders of the king) as Lord paramount of the Vale, and attacks the Braavosi as well. Still no succes. Robert sends ALL his armies, only keeping some ships and the city watch to protect KL. So in the field Ned commands ghehe North, Tywin the West (Riverlands, Westerling, possibly Iron Islands). Tyrell commands the South (it may be that this doesn't include Dorne, since they're special, which means at least the Reach, and possibly the Stormlands, unless the Stormlands fall under the command of the East). So WHO commands the armies of the Crownlands in this situation? Sure it could be Ned, but the Hand doesn't necessarily have to be there, unless he was a Warden, he could've stayed in KL as well, and have Robb act as warden in his stead. Someone must automatically be the one to have that command in the field, especially with the fleet being there etc. These four wardens have to be able to sit together, and make a battle plan etc that includes a plan for the Royal fleet, right?
  4. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    If the Crownlands are not under control of any warden, then the warden of the East only has control of the Vale and possibly the Stormlands. This would also leave the East without any significant fleet, even though the greatest possible threats from outside the realm, are most likely to come from the east and south. I'm quite sure that SOMEONE must be capable to give orders to the Crownlands if both the King and the Hand are indisposed. Someone must be able to give an order to the Royal Fleet if KL is being attacked, and the King and Hand are out dancing so to say.
  5. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    I'm quite confused now, I'd totally forgotten that the title was re-appointed to others after Tywin's death. You said that it went to Davenport, and then to Jaime, but you also said it went back to the Vale...? Wo exactly holds the title now? I'm also wondering how the territories are devided amongst the wardens. Warden of the North is just the North? The south appears to include the Reach and Dorne, but I suppose the Stormlands could also be included... Stormlands could also be part of the East though, together with the Vale and the Crownlands. That leaves the Westerlands and Riverlands to the West. Well the Iron Islands too.. Although they might be included in the wardenship of the North too. Also, since I believe that the Wardenships are meant for outside threats, every warden should have a decent fleet. The North would have the apparently meagre fleet of the Manderlys. East has the fleet of King's Landing/Dragonstone, South has the Redwyne Fleet. That would leave only the Ironborn fleet for the West, so I suppose the Iron Islands most likely belong to the West wardenship. When can wardens make independent decisions/take on their role? I mean there is an outside threat from the south-east right now (Aegon), but there's no indication that the Wardens of south and east have been instructed to take charge of their regions, and brace for impact.. I know that Aegon arrived unexpected, and is underestimated, but I wonder if and when the wardens will become important. Will they be activated when Dany arrives?
  6. Manderly's Rat Cook

    Why no stark spies

    Interesting thread! This whole warden stuff got me thinking.. I always wondered if there was an actual point in that Tywin was made Warden of the West AND East, or that it was just to demonstrate how power hungry the Lannisters are, which was obvious anyway, so it didn't add much. So your conversation made me think, now that Tywin is dead, Jaime is still KG and Tyrion is out of the picture (for now), Cercei is the Lady of the Rock, which means that she's also Warden of E & W, which would give her a lot of (theoretical) power in absence (or death) of King Tommen, but would also leave the East and west wardenless if anything would happen to her. Besides, there's someone else who has a greater claim to the title of Lord of Casterly Rock; Tyrion. Now it gets really interesting, because Tyrion also has a claim to Winterfest, through his marriage to Sansa... Which would practically make him Warden of the North, East AND West!!! If he sides with Dany, which I think he will, and also ride a dragon, which I also find quite likely, he would have nearly as much power as the King or Queen him-/herself!! Now he would have control of north, east and west in absence of the king, which means that if Dany is off to fight ice zombies with Jon (which is inevitable at some point), Tyrion would be in the best position IMAGINABLE to take over the IT! This would basically be the exact scenario that Ned feared, when he mentioned his worries about Tywin as warden of half of the country. Only with dragons in the game as well... Interesting no? It seems like a pretty realistic scenario, and it would work too if Tyrion would side with Aegon either instead of Dany or later on...
  7. Turned into food: The famous singer stew The Frey pies People Ramsay feeds to his dogs Brienne's cheek Arguably Vargo's ear Osha's group of wildling being eaten by the direwolves Warged animals eating people (most notably Summer with Bran inside, and Arya's wolf dreams) The mysterious "pork" provided by Coldhands. Soldiers in Stannis's army eating the dead. That's all I can think of for now (in this category)
  8. Manderly's Rat Cook

    "Lyra and Jory are with our mother," and The Great Northern Conspiracy

    I agree that Ramsay is the culprit for at least most of the murders. When Theon is the Prince of WF, Theon and Ramsay appear to be behind the mysterious murders that happen than: This is basically a confession that Theon himself was behind those murders, because he was afraid the Bran & Rickon swap would come out. And this seems to indicate that Ramsay executed the murders at that time as Reek. It may have been Ramsay who suggested it. So Theon's suspicion of Ramsay is well grounded. Ramsay has as much reason as Theon had to prevent certain secrets from coming out. It's also possible that Theon as Reek is executing Ramsay's murders in a twisted way of 'helping' Ramsay, the same way Ramsay 'helped' him. Even during his own short reign in WF, Theon dissociated from the murders, so it's definitely not unlikely he doesn't even remember committing them now.
  9. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    I agree, moreover she uses the word smaller here to refer to insecurity. Here's the full quote: At this particular moment Ned is unsure whether he should become hand or not. He's thinking about refusing. It's the thought of having to become Hand that makes him look smaller. At the time they married, Ned was about to start a war, which seems even more intimidating than beckoning Hand. He was also shy at 18, and his father and brother had just been murdered and his sister was kidnapped, and possibly dead as well. No wonder he didn't look as impressive as 35 yo Ned who's living a happy stable life! It's not a physical comparison it's about the impression one gives. Here's another example that makes it quite clear that Cat uses "looking smaller" to refer to impressiveness, rather than height. NB. Many tall people bend their shoulders in order to appear smaller, because they feel awkward about their height. When they become less insecure, and straighten their back, they'll look both taller, and broader. This could well have been the case with Ned, knowing that he was shy. NB 2. Lots and lots of people are shorter than average, one has to be particularly short to stand out as NOTABLY short, especially on horseback. Now if the only thing mentioned in the KOTLT story was that (s)he was slender, a good case could surely be made for Ned, but the KOTLT was particularly short, which fits better with the 16yo girl, the crannogman, the really young boy or even the notably short 15yo Littlefinger.
  10. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    Sorry @Livesundersink I meant to quote @Kienn Robb is tall So he's still shorter than Cat, but still tall (for his age). He's also shorter than his father, and his father appears to be tall in this context. He looks like a tall young knight when he's on horseback, even though he's shorter than Catelyn, indicating that Cat is quite tall herself, and any YOUNG knight, as in around 15-17, and not fully grown, wouldn't stand out as NOTABLY short, UNLESS he'd be quite a bit shorter than Robb and Cat. So probably EVEN (an adult) Littlefinger who is notably short, but ONLY 2 inches shorter than Cat, could look like a tall young knight on horseback. So the KOTLT had to be shorter than LF. Here Robb is taller than Cat, she doesn't indicate if he's as tall as his father yet, so presumably he isn't.
  11. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    Oops
  12. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    Alright. Show us your quote then.
  13. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    There is still no indication he's short though, as far as I know he's only described as being shorter than Brandon, who happened to be tall. I would assume that he'd be of average height, since Cat doesn't remark he's short, which she does say about Littlefinger. So of her three suitors, she thinks of one as tall and handsome, one less tall and less handsome than the other, and one short and slender, so presumably the second one would be somewhere in between, and thus average... Now we don't know how tall Cat is, but we have this : On the wiki Edmure is described as being of medium height. Cat being a head shorter than Edmure, and also taller than LF would most likely put her in the average height category as well. Since no one ever mentions that Ned is shorter than Cat, he most likely is taller than her. IF he's only a little taller, he would be short for a fully grown man, but since 15/16 yo boys often joust as well, he wouldn't stand out between them, since they wouldn't be fully grown yet, and there wouldn't be reason to remark how short the KOTLT was. It also seems more likely that Ned is at the very least half a head taller than Cat, which would probably make him of average height as well, or at the very least not NOTABLY short.
  14. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    Well in that case we can at least safely conclude that Ned was shorter than the Mountain (and Brandon)
  15. Manderly's Rat Cook

    The identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree

    I'm not talking about carrying Ice in battle, I'm talking about being able to carry it on his back and handling it in general, even as a ceremonial sword! Although I wasn't aware of that SSM, and would like to see it). Ice is a bigass sword that would be impossible to carry out use for anyone under 6ft. Ned simply cannot have been notably short. He was simply shorter than Brandon, who was notably tall. Being shorter than someone who's tall doesn't make you short.
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