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  1. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    The term wasn't in the main books but in the books that had the green and reds. I didn't buy it. It spoke of how Dragonstone was littered with Dragonseed as the Targs were looking for Riders during the conflict.
  2. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 220 and the nature of magic

    I agree re the importance of Craster's bloodline.There is definitely something off, but it think it lay with the woman than Craster's would be father in the Watch. Concerning the WWs being Monster's brother that I'm not buying. I think that be the " Tales from the Keep." What is more comforting for a mom to think that the child she allowed to be exposed by the father is coming back as a "god," or that they are food.
  3. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    I agree that the Dragons "choose" the rider, and I also agree that the individual need not be "full Targ," which is another story as I am of the belief that the Targs were Skinchangers themselves. I don't have my WB with me but the definition is anyone that can meld their spirit or so with an animal. While the name varies, it seems in principle we are dealing with the same type of individuals.
  4. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.166

    If it were possible for a lot of what you did here I would shake your hand. Well done.
  5. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 220 and the nature of magic

    I tend to agree with JNR on this as you know Papa Crow. It is Jon who "deduces" Gilly has seen "them" and the issue is that at this point Jon has only seen a Wight for it was this HE had in mind when Gilly gave her description. His mind went straight back to Othor and Jafar. So Gilly and the others could have been seeing wights.A point main clear when she and Sam had the encounter with Small Paul, she said he came for the babe. I will restate this point that "Others" is being generalized by those in story with the main assumption that the WWs are behind the wights which again I lay squarely on the lap of a Greenseer who is using the WWs to hide the fact that the Greenseers are operating again from behind the scenes. Interestingly, what I happening is is being very clever at mixing the supernatural with the worse angels of humanity. When it comes to the Craster situation what he is doing is what he was groomed to do by the women at the Keep in his generation and prior. He was the boy that got away to continue the tradition of exposing the boys to the cold and if the story of his paternity is true then I could see his mother out of spite doing something like this out of spite and as time went by it became a ritual. The women are the ones who are truly in charge at Craster's Keep...a male patsy keeps them safe and they make him think he's in control. They'll find another one soon enough and start the same thing all over again.
  6. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Hi LynnnS,i always found it interesting Maester Aemon's notion to reject Stannis as AA on account of the sword having been wrong. He to thought it was Stannis because he was the Grandson of Egg's little girl Rhaella. So, I do think Targ blood comes into play and it would go into what GRRM had said on the heads of the Dragon not needing to be Targ. All they have to be is be Dragonseed which the Baratheons are and Jon Snow is by way of Robert. Glad to see you hun
  7. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 220 and the nature of magic

    Hi Everyone, nice to see you all are still going strong and welcome to the new faces.....This question piqued my interest because it ties into something I had theorized as happening. I don't believe the "white walkers" are made out of humans, but they are the shadows of a greenseer cast upon snow and ice. What we are seeing is this world's version of voodoo dolls( See the how they dispatched in unison their first kill in GOT, because it is one entity moving them)but with the elements. Case in point, if we look at Theon's experience with the Heart tree in WF when he saw Bran's face, I don't think Theon was hallucinating. Bran manipulated the features of the tree to match his likeness. In precept, it is no different to Melissandre casting a likeness of Stannis as a shadow to kill Renly. This is the dangers of skinchangers and even greater dangers of greenseers who can inhabit and manipulate the natural world around them.
  8. wolfmaid7

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Hi fellow Heretics,we still hanging in there.Am I hearing correctly Papa Crow halting for a bit?
  9. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    Very true all of what you said.....and we ain't going to derail this thread with other. But my point on the previous post was Ned is our insider;especially when it comes to the way he thinks. It doesn't matter what we think concerning what Robert would or wouldn't do.What should concern us is things Ned did and didn't do.If we are going to make assertions that Ned didn't tell Robert about Lyanna and Rhaegar because he feared what robert would do.How does that make sense when: 1. Rhaegar and Lyanna are dead and have been dead 15 yrs.So what he would or wouldn't do regarding them evaporated. 2. He claimed Jon as his own and there is so many rumors about Jon's mom all of them NOT Lyanna there is no threat to Jon from Robert and there never was. Therefore,if the theory is true wouldn't the best thing be for Ned was let Robert know especially when Robert has Dany in his sight and pretty much drinking and eating himself into an early grave?
  10. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    First,Ned resigned because Robert was accepting councel to order the murder of Dany and her unborn baby.Something he didn't think Robert could ever do.Hence the " I thought we made a better king than Aerys line."Hence,telling Robert " You are no Tywin Lannister to order the murder of children" Where is it ever showed or stated in this series that Ned was fearful of Robert? Nowhere,he knows Robert has a temper but it blows over like any storm. Ned told Cat in AGOT." Robert would never hurt him or his." Keep in mind that statement from Ned its important.Keep in mind the fact that Ned knows that Robert hates Targs to the point of saying in AGOT "Robert's hatred of Targs was well known, it was a madness. Reconcile Ned's knowledge and belief that "Robert would never hurt him or his " and " Robert hating Targs to the point of madnesss ".Now throw in the "theory" that Jon is a Targ alongside Ned's belief see if it makes sense. Again not our opnion on if Ned is wrong or not about what robert would or could do,but his belief.That matters. Secondly,your not looking at the issue that would show if what you are saying is right or wrong.Ned is the one who suppossed to know that Jon is a secret Targ according to this theory am i right? Therefore,he opted to let Robert think for years after both these people are dead that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her over and over? He opted to have Robert carry Lyanna in his heart all these years knowing she didn't love him for what? There's no point except torture for Robert.Yet when Robert walked through the gates of WF and wanted to go to the crypts he said inwardly " He loved Robert with all his heart at that moment for remembering her after all these years.AGOT" After introduing him to the Stark litter. Similar to Bran when Jon excluded himself after they were imtroduced to the Direwolf litter" He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment AGOT." See the parallel? It makes nosense for Ned to let Robert continue to hold a torch for a woman that didn't love him.Yet Ned doesn't even hint that he thought this love for his sister should be abandoned. Cersie's case is different.....Robert believed all the kids Cersie had for him was his,she was sleeping with a member of his KG who happened to be her brother. It has been going on for years.Lastly,he didn't love Cersie.That would make it easier.Ned loooking down the line saw war that would insue and in his mind "The realm wouldn't survive another DOD." Lyanna would be his BFF's sister who he did love as well as her brother.And to reiterate after both are dead,there would be no point to let him keep believing Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna. Lastly,there is no text that indicates Robert didn't know Lyanna.Readers mis interpret that entire conversation. Ned said to Robert that " You didn't know Lyanna as i did,you only saw the beauty not the iron beneath." This has nothing to do with Robert not knowing Lyanna at all.This was Ned telling Robert he knew aspects of Lyanna Robert never saw.Robert never saw her iron.And that infers that Robert never did anything to warrent Lyanna showing him her ironside.He saw Lyanna's goodside never provoked her to tell him off.
  11. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    Word! It would sell more gigs...Heck,i would book them for a party or two.Riveting stuff.
  12. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    Where is this written and how does it make sense? If this is true, the best thig for Ned to do IS to tell the truth.Rhaegar and Lyanna are dead what's Robert going to do? Pee on their graves? Robert would have closure ,better that than having Robert believe that Rhaegar did something to Lyanna against her will. He wouldn't hate Lyanna as much as Rhaegar and if he did so what they'd both be dead and again it does more harm than good keeping a hypothethical truth that would help Robert move on. And what secret is Ned keeping? By claiming Jon as his son, he is in effect keeping no secret.Doing that alone covers Jon. Robert did nothing "to" Elia and her kids.He didn't bat an eye when Tywin had them killed.That's it. Lastly, where are you getting that Lyanna wanted nothing to do with Robert? Give me a text or inference to that.
  13. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    This is an idea with evidence where? This is something answered with the simplest explanation of human behavior. Let's look at it from Robert's point of view. Rhaegar crowns Lyanna his bethrothed despite his own wife being present.Then at some point he heard Rhaegar had Lyanna and then she ends up dead.What is the natural thought for him? To put that in a mordern context some dude gives your fiance a rose,and you hear later that said dude has your fiance.No man on earth past present or future is going to think this guy kidnapped his fiance to play "Chutes and Ladder." First thought is "The things he's probably doing to her."Everyman is going to think their fiance is being raped. Now let's add something a bit different.Let's say Chris Hemsworth gave your fiance a rose ;later on you hear Chris Hemsworth had your fiance.As much as you would want to believe your fiance would be faithful, its Chris Hemsworth.Somewhere deep in your mind ,on some level your going to be thinking your fiance ran off with Chris Hemsworth. What's the problem with this thinking? You assume like most men that the only reason Chris Hemsworth is with your fiance is he wants to knock boots with your fiance. You also assume that "because" its Chris Hemsworth your wife is going to capitulate because its Chris Hemsworth.Next issue is everyone is going to think as you do because its Chris Hemsworth. Rhaegar,though not as manly is Westrosi Chris Hemsworth. As Jon Conn said and i paraphrase every woman would drop draws for Rhaegar, and everyman wanted to be him.Which could never be true,that's a fallacy. We see there are two prevailing thoughts after the Rebellion.Those who believe Rhaegar must haved raped her and others who think she ran off with Rhaegar. There is no CSI in Westeros, so unless someone examined Lyanna's body before Ned turned it to bones for transport:that thought about the rape is just conjecture based on;why else would Rhaegar have taken her if not to rape her? The Knave. So to is the second thought held by people like Cersie ,Kevin and even Selmy.Rhaegar to them was looked at differently.He was dashing in some cases, honorable in others so rape would never be something he would do.Therefore,it must be love.And Ofcorse Lyanna must have fallen for him to who wouldn't..Its Rhaegar. Lastly, we need to watch Robert's wording " How many times do you think Rhaegar raped your sister,how many hundreds of time." That is not a statement of fact by Robert,this should be stressed.It is NOT a statement of fact, it is him expressing what any man would think.His fear of what MAY of happened became in the minds of some what possibly happened." I'm sure that sob raped her over and over again." Then we have Robert's statement that "Rhaegar has Lyanna now and he has Cersie" That could be looked at this way, and it goes back to my second example.Its normal for anyman ,including Robert to have doubts.Especially,if there is another tale that Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna. But like the story of the rape, it to is based on no evidence other than a bias view of some who were whammied by Prince Rhaegar. The reality of it is that on HIS death bed he told Ned " I will give Lyanna your love." So there was an expectation by him that he would be with her again in death.
  14. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    Yes it was "formal" as in he made it official then. Which doesn't change the intent for which he and Ned went to war in the first place.It just wasn't known to all but inner circle. Per Robert's prayer, him praying for Lyanna's safe return doesn't mean she was the reason they went to war.It just means what he said, he prayed for her return. But not from him or Ned was it given that the reason for why they did what did was anything other than 1.Saving babies from Targs 2. Winning a throne It didn't say who was going to sit it,only it being the objective.
  15. wolfmaid7

    R+L=J v.165

    I don't know about that premise Ran.According to Ned and he would know ,when speaking of his and Robert's action there were two goals. 1. Set out to win a crown. 2. Rise against the Targs to stop the murder of babes. You would think that Lyanna's brother would remember and mention that he and Robert's whole reason for fighting was because Lyanna was taken by Targs.However,its the opposite,Ned nor Robert spoke of fighting to get Lyanna back from being a hostage.
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