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  1. 5 hours ago, mcbigski said:

      The earth had much higher CO2 concentrations in the past and didn't turn into a venusian he ll hole.  I rather doubt plastic straws and gas range tops will kill each and every one of 7 billion+ people.

    True.  But a relatively small increase in CO2 (compared with prehistoric levels when everything was different) will result in changes to weather patterns and rising sea levels.   They won't cause the end of the world.  But they will prove rather awkward (already are!) for them pesky little humans - affecting food production and flooding their homes, for example.    That's why we don't want to make things any worse than they already are.

    Meanwhile, the plastic straws will eventually be our legacy - tiny traces found in rock strata all over the world by octopoid geologists 20 million years from now.

  2. 13 hours ago, ljkeane said:

    I think Bonfire Night was traditionally the bigger thing in the UK but that does seem to be changing.

    Bonfire night effectively was Halloweeen, just a few days later - Halloween, or rather Samhainn, the celtic new year, was celebrated by lighting bonfires, whilst loud noises (fireworks) would scare away evil spirits that were thought to be around at the turning of the year.   Effigies would be burned on the fire.  And folk would eat, drink and play games.    

    In later times, some kids would use the old beliefs in evil spirits being abroad at the old new year as an excuse to make mischief (they could blame the damage on ghosts and goblins) and from that, ultimately, we get the modern American halloween.

  3. On 8/21/2019 at 8:52 PM, Black Crow said:

    A little tranquility and remembrance of the local house rules here could be a good thing. :commie:

    And just for the record my own feeling is that the prophecies in GRRM's world are mince. Like the horoscopes at the back of newspapers they can mean what you want them to mean, in retrospect. The problems arise in text, when characters try to pull an Manx cat and try to manipulate events in order to make the prophecy come to pass, with unhappy results

    Exactly :thumbsup:  I'm not a very prolific poster, but I have said this (or similar) before. 

    ASOIAF isn't (IMO) a story about the fulilment of an ancient prophecy - the standard fantasy trope - rather, it's about what happens when various characters believe in, and try themselves to fulfill, an (possibly quite irrelevant*) ancient prophecy.  And the tragic consequences thereof.

    Whilst it's fun to discuss what a prophecy may mean and how it might be fulfilled, we have to be wary of falling into the very trap that has already caught Rhaegar, Cersei, Mel and others, with disastrous effects.    If Rhaegar had never heard of tPtwP, would any of the events of ASOIAF have ever even occurred?

    * what made Rhaegar and Mel so sure that this 1,000 year+ prophesy was due to be fulfilled now?   I don;t think that's ever been explained?   Maybe it was actually fulfilled hundreds of years ago ..... ?

    eta: actually, I suppose it was the Wood's Witch saying tPtwP would be born of Aerys and Rhaella's line?   In which case of course, it could be in another thousand years time?   Or maybe she was just saying something she thought they wanted to hear?   Doesn't explain why Mel is so certain now is the time for AA to be reborn though.

  4. 17 hours ago, Mosi Mynn said:

    I don’t think you can have the whole of A Song of Ice and Fire, sorry. I'm going to have to insist you pick one ;)

    Okay, probably A Storm of Swords then :P  

  5. Slightly cheating because somet of these are series (but that at least allows me to pick 10 different authors!):

    Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adam
    Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
    The Stonor Eagles - William Horwood
    Excession - Iain M Banks
    A Song of Ice & Fire - George RR Martin
    The Jacobite Trilogy - DK Broster 
    The Brentwood Trilogy - Robert Rankin
    Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven
    Three Men and a Boat - Jerome K Jerome

    And any one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels cos I really couldn't pick the best!

  6. On 6/4/2019 at 12:25 AM, Areisius said:

    After watching this last season I'm baffled by what his purpose was? He serves the Night's watch, gets murdered by them, gets revived, retakes Winterfell, meets Dany and convinces her to help him defend the north from the White Walkers, finds out he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark, defends Winterfell from the White Walkers, fights at Kings Landing, Kills Dany, and gets banished back to the Night's watch. He does all these things to end up back at square one. I have never witnessed a main character have such an anticlimactic ending. WTF?

    His point - in the TV show - was simply to do all the things you mentioned, leading up to the most important of all, breaking the wheel by killing Dany and ending the Game of Thrones.    Though maybe it wasn't all that clear.

    In the books, of course, it may be different!

  7. 18 hours ago, Black Crow said:

    I still think the real problem [as GRRM is suggesting] does not lie with the in-book characters taking her word as gospel, but with those book readers who conclude that this is all about a struggle between R'hllor and the Great Other - and that since R+L=J, Jon Snow must therefore be Azor Ahai.

    And, that many readers think that if there is an ancient prophecy then a) the ancient prophecy must be fulfilled and b) fulfillment of the ancient prophecy will be the climax (and indeed the whole purpose) of the story.    ie common or garden, standard fantasy trope.   Rather than that the story is about people who (perhaps misguidedly) believe in a ancient prophecy,  sometimes in different ways, and the  far-reaching consequences of their subsequent actions.  

    Had Rhaegar not foolishly believed in the stupid PTWP prophecy, none of this would have ever happened ......  ;) 

  8. On 5/20/2019 at 3:44 AM, StoneColdJorahMormont said:

    Starks finished ? well they each rule a part of Westeros... I would say they are sitting pretty nicely.. aslong as Bran doesn't get voted out... which I don't ever see happening.

    Fine, for now.   But there will never be another Stark.   The name ends with the current generation.  

    Interestingly, the Lannisters may well survive.   Even if the sole surviving male did nothing of interest or note in recent years.

  9. I think one of the points of the story is that, come the end, none of the "great houses" that were playing the "Games of Thrones" will be left .... 

    I am hoping no-one sits on the iron throne and that, inadvertanly perhaps, Dany has finally broken the wheel

  10. 26 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    No.  I don't agree.  George's 60 minutes interview says it this adaptation is more faithful than 97% of adaptations, which was only a few weeks ago, so the idea that the fate of one of the major characters was totally changed is not believable to me.  Dany will turn into a tyrant, Jon, my guess is, renounces the throne and goes North, Sansa rules at Winterfell, Arya takes a powder. 

    The seeds for this have been sown a long time back in the books.  And the change makes perfect sense in the context of George's writing.

    That fact that some really believed it was a fairy tale with handsome boy falls for lovely princess and every lives happily ever after just shows, as Ramsey Bolton said "you haven't been paying attention".

    Not yet sure what Arya's destiny is.  Nor who will end ruling Westeros - though maybe it won;t be anyone?   7 Kingdoms again?


  11. I like the Dresden analogy.   

    But I don't think ASOIAF is a false history, intended to portray Dany in a bad light to help legitimise someone else's claim to the throne.  I think it's very much "real".   Only in fairy stories are there good guys who defeat the bad guys and everyone lives happily ever after.  In the real world - as Dresden showed - the good guys can be just as evil as the bad guys.   The world is grey, not black and white.

    And whilst the last dominoes fell rather quickly, Dany's descent has been foreshadowed for a long time.  She was never a "nice" person ;) 

  12. 16 hours ago, dannyk65 said:

    My thinking is book Euron kills Rhaegal with the dragonbinder horn...and any other details besides "Euron kills RHaegal" were left out by the show because super-ballista shocking death scene was easier for D&D.

    Exactly.  I think the events will play out similarly in the books with Euron killing Rhaegal.  But instead of using a magical laser guided heat seeking bolt, he will use a much more logical magic horn.

  13. 5 minutes ago, JNR said:

    It seems mighty convenient for HBO that (in their retelling) no one in Westeros, in Aegon the Conqueror's day, had the "technology" to create such things when they were all being slaughtered.

    This heavily implies the hide of a dragon is impenetrable to such bolts, no matter their size, so you have to hit it in the eye to have a hope in hell of bringing it down.

    We have even more reason to believe this is the case thanks to Selmy, student of warfare in Westeros.  Because he tells us flat-out that even the World book's account is bullshit:

    Many tried, none succeeded.  Now that would explain the Conquest.

    It wouldn't.  It was just nuts.

    I also note that if such an ultra-powerful device could somehow be made, it would, from an elevated position on the walls as in the last scene, have been able to take out a stationary Drogon below it, a few hundred yards away, rather easily.  Or Dany, for that matter.  Apparently this never crossed Cersei's mind.

    But we shouldn't be surprised.  Because a week ago, it also never crossed anyone's mind to try hitting Night King with obsidian-tipped arrows in the godswood using hidden archers.  Common sense is just not what the show is all about.

    I think it's more a case that hitting a flying dragon with a bolt from a moving, boat-mounted, scorpion, without the use of laser sights/heat-seeking guided bolts,  is very very very very difficult.  

    That Euron did it with such apparent ease suggests maybe a touch of magic?  

    Now, anyone seen a dragon-binding horn lying around anywhere?

  14. 33 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    There is a lot of nonsense in the show that doesn't make sense and doesn't stand up to 5 minutes of analysis.  Like I said, if you don't see that Arya killing the NK with no assist from either Jon or Dany doesn't destroy several seasons worth of story, so be it.  

    That all depends on whether you think one of the main themes of the story is ancient prophecies being fulfilled, or whether it is characters believing that ancient prophecies would be fulfilled, and acting accordingly (not always to good effect).   In the former case, Arya killing the NK makes no sense, but in the later it makes perfect sense. 

    In the books, of course, it may well be a moot point since - so far - there is no character equivalent to the NK for anyone to kill ....

  15. On 4/30/2019 at 10:41 AM, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

    Which means the Azor Ahai stuff doesn't matter much. If it was plot integral they would have been told and stuck with it

    As I've said elsewhere, I don't think fulfillment of the prophecy matters.   It's how people who believe in the prophecy act, and the consequences of those actions, which is what it's all about.    Hence the fact the Jon didn't singled-handedly defeat the NK - as the show might be said to have been seen to be leading up to - isn't a cop out, quite the opposite.

  16. 3 minutes ago, divica said:


    If you prefer then. There must be events that can be interpreted as fulfiling the profecies. Therefore when you look back you must be able to say these characters did this so they may be AA/ptwp...

    In the books I am expecting several characters to do things that suggest they may have been AA/PTWP - and maybe at least one to be declared as such.   Not including Stannis.    But there won't be one single person who alone, and very obviously,  saves the world/ends the night as the prophecies suggest.    What is more important is how those who believe in the prophecies act beforehand, to (perhaps inadvertently) get all the right people into the right places so that they can play their individual small roles.  


  17. 2 minutes ago, divica said:

    If the events in the profecy happened then the profecy has come true… 

    Then some of Nostradamus's prophecies have come true numerous times ;)  

    But that's the thing with prophecies - they don;t say person A will do this exact thing and the consequence will be B; they are nebulous, open to interpretation.   And when an event happens some argue that it's a fulfillment of the prophecy.  Until another event occurs that also seems to fit it.   Hence all the discussion/argument here on what those in the books actually mean.