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Maester Vargo

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  1. 4 hours ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

    Then how would you interpret the vision of the Ghost of High Hearth?

    To be honest, I totally forgot about that vision.  So, that theory goes out the window.  But my greater point, that Euron is using some kind of blood magic to dominate his thralls own wills, but he isn't actually warging them, stands. 

  2. On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 8:40 AM, Little Scribe of Naath said:

    You can bet that if Euron had any kind of skinchanging power, we would have seen it by now. A guy like this isn't going to refrain from mind-controlling people/animals to achieve his ends.

    We must also remember that skinchanging/greenseeing, as a type of magic, is one that seems to be enhanced with a personal (bodily) sacrifice. Bran loses his legs, Bloodraven has practically gone into the tree, Arya skinchanges the cat in Braavos when she's blind.

    Euron hasn't sacrificed any part of himself yet -  he seems to sacrifice others to harness magic (which seems to be the MO of eastern magic practitioners:  see R'hllor priests, birth of Dany's dragons, so on.). It seems to me that Euron is like an antithesis of Bran - someone who desperately wants to perform magic, become a God and rule the world rather than being born with an innate ability to do so. He appears to have learnt methods to perform magic through either study or observation during his travels,IMO.

    What if we have seen it and just haven't recognized it?  Euron's man blows the dragonbinder horn, sacrificing his own life for no real reason beyond showing to the Ironborn that Euron's crew will die for him, even if there isn't a reason.  I think that it's more than possible that the removal of his crew's tongues isn't just to keep them quiet, I think there's a magical ritual involved that binds them to him and gives him some kind of power over them.  Whether or not it involves warging into them, I can't say. 

    I also don't think that Euron hired a FM to kill Balon.  I think either Euron did it himself, perhaps using a glamour to cover up his identity to castle guards and such, or he sent one of his tongueless men to kill Balon. 

    Perhaps his magic is powered through removing the tongues of his crew.   Keep in mind Varys' story.  The sorcerer cut off Varys' little spider and fed it to the flames to power his magic.  Euron may gain some kind of power by taking the tongues of his crew as a sacrifice to power some kind of dark magic.  He's been to Asshai (supposedly) and could have learned some kind of magics not seen elsewhere to date. 

    I think the tongue removal is a kind of bloodmagic that binds the victim to Euron in a way that allows Euron to dominate their willpower, perhaps even at great distance, but not necessarily skinchange into them.  For example, he can't actively communicate with the Dusky Woman and he can't see what she sees or know what she knows (though who knows what an obsidian candle would allow), but he gave her commands before she left and she has to follow them through to the best of her ability.  Keep Victarion happy.  Kill him if need be.  When the time is right, grab the horn and blow it. 

    When the horn is blown, the Dragon is bound to her, but she dies (which normally frees the dragon), but since she's a slave to Euron's will, the Dragon becomes bound to her master, Euron.  That's my theory anyway. 

    Edited to add:

    Another bit of support of this is the concept of thralls.  The Ironborn take captives as semi-slaves they call Thralls. Thrall is a derived from a norse word that means a person in bondage or slavery.  Given what we know about the Ironborn, that's an appropriate term to use, if archaic.  Thrall has a second (more modern) meaning, though.  Dictionary.com also defines thrall as "a person who is morally or mentally enslaved by some power, influence, or the like".  His magic makes his crew thralls in that more modern sense.  They're not just held in bondage.  Their minds are enslaved, not just their bodies. 

  3. 8 hours ago, TheReal_Rebel said:

    So much to speculate about on Euron.  

    Is it possible in his raiding that he perceives how weak and chaotic Westeros has become and decides to raid KL instead of going to Mereen?

    He's not going to Mereen.  If he did, it would be a colossal waste of time since Mereen will be a smoking hole in the ground after Drogon burns it to its foundations. 

  4. Adding about 20 cents of my own after reading the transcribed chapter and thinking on it...

    I think the purpose of the tongueless is that Euron wargs into them and controls them.  Some part of his ritual that allows him to maintain power over them involves the tongue removal.  When Euron tells Aeron that he didn't 'do the deed himself', but it was his hand that pushed Balon, I suspect that it was one of his tongueless who pushed Balon, while under the control of Euron. 

    My other thought is that Euron himself is or was a faceless man or trained with them at some point and learned their powers.  That would give him the ability to skinchange and appear to be someone else, while killing Balon with his own hand.  It would also allow him to torment Aeron by appearing to him as Urri.  He may have also learned the ways of the ruins of Valyria from the Faceless, which may have been invaluable in acquiring Dragonbinder and the Valyrian Armor.  He's much too into his own identity to be a true Faceless Man, but he could have done what Arya seems to be doing and kept his own identity while learning their ways.

    I think that the Dusky Woman is much the same.  Euron can enter her mind at any time and take over control of her.  Once Vic arrives at Mereen, he intends to warg into the Dusky Woman and blow the Horn, which will kill the Dusky Woman, but bind the Dragon to Euron. 

    I'm not convinced that Euron is the bad guy, yet.  That seems to clean, too easy.  I also don't think Jon is the good guy.  Also seems too clean and easy.  He's certainly an unsavory character, but Azor A'hai himself was pretty scummy.  This is a guy who murdered his own wife to gain power.  Where was Euron when the red comet first appeared?  Was he in the ruins of Valyria, I wonder?  Azor A'hai is born in Smoke and Salt, right?  Where is it smokier and saltier than that forsaken land.  And 'born' may not mean the actual act of childbirth, but could be more a spiritual rebirth.  He discovered his calling in life, that is.  He could very well be a bad guy to the people of Westeros, he could intend to take the crown and smite his enemies, and rule with an iron fist.  But he could also be Azor A'hai and lead humanity to victory over the great other. 

    That said, the dead gods in Aeron's vision...I find it curious that the Great Other isn't mentioned.  Nor is the Storm God (the opposition deity to the Drowned God).  Obviously, the old gods are also missing.  Any other missing gods?  Seems like that could be telling about Euron's true nature.  Also, having said that, and linking back to my earlier point, perhaps Euron does represent the destruction of the world as it is.  Perhaps he leads humanity into a new age by throwing down the Others, the Old and New and Foreign Gods.  Or, I guess, it could be that he throws down humanity. 

    What of "Dragons, Krakens, and Sphinxes" - could be that these are literal dragons and krakens.  But while Dragonbinder binds a dragon to the someone, supposedly, it doesn't summon them.  I read somewhere that the ruling family of Cracklaw Point is rumored to have a horn that can summon Krakens.  But I think that Sphinxes aren't real creatures even in Planetos.  There are statues of them in many places, especially in Essos. 

    The other possibility is that these are people or Houses.  Dragons being Targaryens.  But Krakens are the Greyjoys themselves.  Maybe that just means the Ironborn in general?  If so, does that mean that the Dragons are Dany with her armies?  But what of the Sphinx?  That's the most interesting part.  There's a quote somewhere that the Sphinx is the riddle, not the riddler.  So, I think that rules out Alleras, who I don't really see how she could be important enough to be included in such a vision.  Unless the Sphinx (Alleras) becomes the Shadow bride?

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