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  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cb-C8vKvyE I think this video fits really well. It was sloppy and probably rushed, but Daenerys going mad doesn't come out of nowhere.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Sansa and Ramsay are just a shortcut to Sansa liberating the North with the control of the Vale army, and possibly LF at her side. That's it. The Show has taken many shortcuts over the seasons to get the characters where they wanted them to be (Season 5 and 6 are just that: Jon as King, R+L=J, Cersei as Queen, Daenerys reaching Westeros, Sansa back in the north, the Boltons and Stannis are dead, fAegon and Dorne lose the war, Arya becomes a Faceless Man, Tyrion becomes Dany's Hand, etc...). This things should all happen in Winds of Winter. All of them. It's the most logical outcome for all the different storylines Martin has. But the Show took another road. D&D simply decided to simplify some of the arcs, take some shortcuts. And it was done poorly for some characters and better for others.
  3. Yeah they rushed it all. It could have been done a thousand times better, Still, I suggest rewatching Season 7. Dany starts to go mad as soon as she reaches Westeros. She's completely irrational about Jon Snow having to bend the knee, the way she burns the Tarlys alive, etc.
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    The aftermatch of the decision made by D&D

    D&D were doing a fantastic adaptation of the books up to Season 5. And Season 6 has some of the best episodes of the series (6x10 is probably my favourite). The problem is...they are good showrunners, not good writers. The good writer is G.R.R Martin, and he's published just 1 book (ADWD) in the last 13 years (between 2006-2019, just one single book, back in 2011. And between 2000 and 2019, just two, AFFC and ADWD. Two books in 20 years. Let that sink in. The first three ones were published within 4 years). When Season 1 aired, back in 2011, ADWD was going to be released in summer, and I'm pretty sure D&D thought they had enough time to get Winds before Season 6. How could they know Martin has stopped writing the books???? I'm not even talking about getting the two books before the final season. Just with Winds published by 2016 (as it should have), the last seasons of the Show would have been completely different. But they had to came up with shortcuts and cheap twists because they are not very good writers, and they had no guidance any more, but wanted to get the edning Martin told them as close as possible. And they did it. Quite poorly, but they did it. I know this will really bother many fans of the books, but with time, you'll see that the main plot of Season 8 will be the same as in the books. People are just in denial because the execution was poorly done, and I get it, but absolutely everything that happened to the main characters (except Jaime and Cersei) will be the same as in the books.
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    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    It's been rushed and sloppy and could have been done a thousand times better with more episodes and better writers, but people here act like Dany going crazy came out of nowhere when that's not true. Rewatch Season 7. There are several instances when Dany goes nuts.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I'm going to copy here a post I had on another thread about what I believe will be the plot points both Book and Show share: Things that will be the same: -R+L= J -Dany taking over the 7 Kingdoms. -Jon becomes a dragon rider. -Cersei will become Queen, -Jon and Dany will fall in love. -Jon will find out about his true lineage, Daenerys will too. The Realm will be torn (Ice vs Fire). -Dany will go mad (and I actually believe the reasons for it to be the ones the show had; death of friends + hatred of the people + Jon being a Targ + she believing herself to be some kind of savior, destined to break the wheel and rule over all) -Jon Snow will fight Daenerys. -Jon will kill her. (Azor Ahai) -The Iron Throne will be destroyed. The rest I'm not really sure. I doubt the arcs of characters like Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion or Bran will be the same. My bet about the main difference between the Show and the Books endings is that the 7 kingdoms will no longer exist by the end of ASOIAF.
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    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    Things that will be the same: -R+L= J -Dany taking over the 7 Kingdoms. -Jon becomes a dragon rider. -Cersei will become Queen, -Jon and Dany will fall in love. -Jon will find out about his true lineage, sDaenerys will to. The Realm will be torn (Ice vs Fire). -Dany will go mad (and I actually believe the reasons for it to be the ones the show had; death of friends + hatred of the people + Jon being a Targ + she believing herself to be some kind of savior, destined to break the wheel and rule over all) -Jon Snow will fight Daenerys. -Jon will kill her. (Azor Ahai) -The Iron Throne will be destroyed. The rest I'm not really sure. I doubt the arcs of characters like Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion or Bran will be the same. My bet about the main difference between the Show and the Books endings is that the 7 kingdoms will no longer exist by the end of ASOIAF.
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    The Storytelling is bad, not the story

    I don't think "bail" is the word I'd use, but I do think they were pretty tired of the Show and wanted to wrap it off as quickly as possible. But those 13 episodes were actually quite longer than the other ones we've had before. These 6 episodes are over 7 hours, while some of the earlier 10 episodes seasons are just over 9. It's a matter of pacing, and storytelling, not necessarily length. But what you say is quite important, and I mention it because it's an aspect of the story that will have to be resolved on the books too. I really doubt Martin is able to fisnish ASOIAF with just 2 more books. This is something many people have pointed out over the years: Dany is nowhere near to Westeros by the end of ADWD, Jon's just beeen stabbed, etc. I think that's been the curse of both books and show since the beginning. Dany reaching Westeros is the key to all of this. That's the main problem Martin's having with Winds I believe. I really think he doesn't know how to properly conclude the series...he knows the ending, but the road...that's another story.
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    The purpose of R+L=J?

    On the Show? Create conflict between Jon and her sisters, Tyrion, Varys; it's also very important to understand Dany's fall into madness: he's the actual heir of the IT, not her (the destiny she believed in since she's a child), and the fact that she's his aunt makes him doubt their love. On the books, it will make them start a war for the IT. That will be the true Dany vs Jon ending we are getting.
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    Your favorite individual acting performance

    Kit Harington has improved quite a lot over the years. He was pretty bland back in Season 1.
  11. By the way, I said it last week, I'm pretty sure this will be the only ending we are getting. Martin is not finishing the books at this rate, not a single chance.
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    Who was Daenerys turned into?

    The pacing and storytelling was all over the place, but Dany going mad is always been one of the most popular theories for this series, and I've always bet on it. There's just too much foreshadowing on the books.
  13. There are certain arcs that I believe will not be the same (Jaime, Cersei, Arya, maybe even Bran himself), but at the end of the day, the main plot of ASOIAF and GOT look to be the same: 1. Jon and Dany fall in love. 2. Dany goes mad. 3. Jon fights Daenerys and kills her. I doubt the journey will be similar, I don't think the reasons behind Dany's fall will be the same, but the general outline will. She will die before she sits on the Iron Throne. The only thing I'm still unsure is how the Others fit into all of this. Before this season I totally thought they were the main ending and the real threat, but I'm not so sure right now. Maybe the final showdown between Dany and Jon will be the true ending. This is A Song of Ice and Fire after all.
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    Unpopular opinion

    Hahahaha don't worry, it's okay. Maybe I didn't expresss myself correctly back there. What I mean is that Martin is somehow unable to finish the series, at least properly. That's what I feel. AFFC and ADWD are good books but the pacing of the storyline is all over the place, and he's taken almost 20 years since ASOS to pusblish those two; the first three just took him 4 years. There's no sign we are getting Winds this year, and I'm pretty sure he won't release it on 2020 either. He simply doesn't know how to finish the series. And that's his fault, and just his.
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