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  1. mankytoes

    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Good point, well argued, I see what you mean with the use of "could" there. I'll concede on the comparison of Israels and Nazis and of people's first loyalty being to Israel. The only one that really sticks out to me there is- "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." I don't think that's a generally antisemitic thing to say, because almost always when we're talking about self determination, we're talking about a cultural group living in an area, or who have been recently been displaced, deserving autonomy, like the Kurds or Tibetans. That is not what Israel is, Israel is people claiming land based on an ancient right to it, and that is pretty unique. Applying general rules to international politics is difficult because there are just too many exceptions. And the creation and establishment of Israel was certainly born of particularly unusual circumstances that means it isn't easy to just say "well in this case, x happened". But to try and present it as a simple case of a people expressing their right to self determination, like, say, the independence of Vietnam from France, is miles from the truth.
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    Small things you hate

    People who go on about music that they hate... yes, you don't listen to crap chart music that is mainly aimed at teenagers, what an intellectual colossus you are. More broadly, people defining themselves more by the things they dislike than the things they like. But music seems especially bad for it.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Why do you need to write all this? You're a moderator, but you seem to try and divert every debate into petty insults. I agree. But the definition that is currently accepted is that it's inherently antisemitic to say the state of Israel is a racist endeavor. That's what I don't accept. Using the term antisemitic when the behaviour might not be only weakens the effect of the word. Well that's why you need to look at each case, and not issue blanket bans. It's contextual. We know that Corbyn has shown sympathy to groups like Hamas. That's where a lot of this comes from. People are broadly sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, as I am, and they can easily get sucked in to turning a blind eye to behaviour which is racism, pure and simple. If you've repeatedly publicly strongly criticised Israel, you will have been called an antisemite.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Well it isn't always easy to, when your arguments consist of doing things like quoting me and saying "he went there". If you're going to quote me, at least make some kind of argument. It's pretty ballsy to then criticise my arguments. Ok, then I don't agree with the Labour Party. It should be removed because it is a criticism of Israel, not of Jews.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    It's the middle one I have the most problem with. I mean I'm Jewish enough to live in Israel, but the general formation would be considered "racist" by most western standards. I mean, if any white majority country conducted itself in this kind of way, they would be completely shunned by all but the far right. I'm not saying there isn't a valid argument the other way, the formation of Israel was hardly under usual circumstances. But I definitely don't think everyone who considers Israel inherently racist is an antisemite. I mean Liberia's constitution is racist as well, so I guess I'm racist against black people for saying that too? In the UK, many prominent Jews or part Jews are highly critical of Israel. I have a half Jewish friend who I've heard make the Israel/Nazi comparison often. Personally I think that is something to be avoided, but I don't think he says that out of self hatred. Note that all three clauses mentioned relate to Israel, not to Jews or Judaism generally. This internationally accepted definition seems at least partly designed to defend Israel. There have always been voices within Judaism that are highly critical of Israel, and I've always found this idea that it's all down to internalised antisemitism very weak. Don't get me wrong, I've argued with loads of Labour supporters about their tolerance of antisemitic groups like Hamas. There is some real denial about antisemitism in Palestine especially. But this is an over the top definition that doesn't reflect reality.
  6. Janos was directly and repeatedly insolant, and was clearly trying to incite rebellion. Jon did the right thing. Pretty unrelated, but I found Janos' family tree on the wiki quite funny a butcher Janos Morros Jothos Danos Unknown daughter
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/68-rabbis-labour-chooses-ignore-uk-jewish-community "Labour has argued that those examples that have been removed were already covered in the wider new code of conduct. The examples which have been removed from the IHRA definition include accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel than their own nations, claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a racist endeavour and comparing Israeli actions to those of the Nazis." I think I'm on Labour's side here. I mean, a lot of people use Israel as a screen for their antisemitism, but a lot of defenders of Israel also deflect legitimate criticism of Israel by claiming antisemitism.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    So he was right to say "some" supported him, and wrong to say there were "many, many protests". I dunno about the baby thing. I don't think Trump or his supporters can have any complaints, because this is just on his level, and I certainly support it on freedom of speech grounds. My only worry is that we're going to see it all the time now. Like in football, one time, I think Crystal Palace thought of it first, they paid for a small team to fly over their rival's ground mocking their relegation. Funny stuff. now, however, you see it all the time, very tedious. Next Democrat President to visit, I assume the right wing will be determined to mimic this. And if, say, we were trying to do a deal with China, I can see this sort of action genuinely sabotaging it. I hate to be a killjoy, but I can imagine in ten years people will be saying "I wish they'd never floated that bloody balloon".
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Not if you don't believe the nation state will remain in existence forever. And I don't. Countries are political divisions, they are artificial. Historically, it isn't so long since the age of empire. All things will pass. But for now, this is who we are. If I'd gone I was going to go with "If you can meet with Trump and Disaster, And treat those two impostors just the same..." but that's a bit long/pretentious for a placard.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    If the Scottish choose to go their own way, that isn't a problem to me. They clearly meet the definition of "a people" and can have self determination if they want. That's a pretty separate issue though. It's a general issue in world politics that when people start making prediction for future decades, they tend to assume the future will keep a lot of aspects of the status quo. We've got a Tower that would be perfect
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Spot on. It's pretty frustrating when people use him as the example of a Brexiteer. A normal Brexiteer is someone who looks at the EU and thinks "overall, we'd be better off outside of this institution". Boris Johnson is someone who looks at a situation and thinks "how can I fulfil my shallow personal goals through manipulating things here?". He's not really much different to Cameron in that respect, but I'm worried about all the people who'll consider voting for Boris "cos he's such a legend lol did you see him do the thing". When considering whether we'll join the EU again in ten/twenty years, you've got to consider whether there will even be an EU to rejoin. I don't think there will, not in the same format it is in now.
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    UK Politics: Royal Weddings and Referendums

    Certainly no strong evidence to support this. A lot of people are saying this is the case, but they nearly all voted Remain in the first place, and are just repeating what they said pre-referendum. It's kind of like a nasty, contested divorce. Do you go through with it, or just stick in your miserable marriage until you die?
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    Don’t pirate books, just don’t

    I agree, do you apply that to music as well? It's hard to feel bad about pirating the Beatles when you're only taking money from people who have already made a fortune from music they did nothing to help create.
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    Don’t pirate books, just don’t

    From a consumer perspective, it really doesn't feel different, this is the whole problem, evidently millions of otherwise law abiding people feel so. For example, my girlfriend recently bought a CD and said she'd lend it to me so I could put it on my iPod. Then she forgot it. It's hard to feel that pirating it is really morally worse than waiting two weeks until she can lend it to me.
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    Don’t pirate books, just don’t

    I mean, the legality might be dodgy, I think the point was more no prosecutor would ever try it when 99% of pirates don't already own the thing. Morally, I feel it's pretty legit, I would feel pretty comfortable explaining that to a band member, I think most would be fine with it. Same as me telling GRRM that I own a shitload of his books, but I couldn't carry all ASOIAF around Asia, or afford to buy them all again, so I whacked them on a tablet. It's like that rule in relationships- if you wouldn't be comfortable telling your partner about doing something, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
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