Lady Gwynhyfvar

In the v.1 iteration of this thread, someone kindly posted a link to my Dragonfly hypothesis. Since I can't find a link back to v.1, I am reposting the link here -

A Dragonfly Among the Reeds- Is Howland Reed the Grandson of Duncan the Small?

with humble aspirations that it may someday make the front page.

I certainly hope so! I agree that it is somewhat strange that v.1 is not linked, nor is the founder of the project (Full Faced Braavosi) given any credit, in the OP.

Anyway, for posterity... here is the link to the original

Gave it a 9

Sam the Slayer, Daario, the leeches and Davos is free to hustle Gendry away. Love Sandor- Arya scene! Didn't even mind Sansa kneeling, since it clearly had to be done to keep the show storyline consistent.

And Tyrion threatening Joff the Ass gets a big hurrah.

Eta- Second the thank god a break from Theon.

I would have liked Daario to be more of a popinjay, a threadbare fop, and so on. But he did pretty well, I thought. And yes, Mero has a dark reputation in the novels, and acts very rudely.

In my head I picture him as a Johnny Depp- Jack Sparrow type. Wish they had gone with some blue hair dye at least, but I think he did quite well. Watching with a show only person, the bag of heads was pretty fantastic!

Then maybe Talisa has a miscarriage and Catelyn confronts Robb about the need for an heir and we get the will then. Maybe the episode confirms that the will isn't important because Robb actually knocked Jeyne up.

:o

That was actually one thing I thought of while watching. Don't really believe it, but...

I actually think there are a number of ways the will could happen. They just need to pick up the pace next week.

He plans on marching on Casterly Rock in the show. Of course that was a couple episodes ago, so now his plans may have changed.

ETA: that was pre losing the Karstarks so now I assume he's hoping to get the Frey army and head that way.

Forgot about that plan, probably because its so opposite from the books.

I guess I just miss Maege, the Greatjon et al.

I still don't feel like we have the dramatic tension present to make a will suddenly seem important. Hoping next week changes things though.

And I'm starting to buy into the Talisa the spy theory. Is she going to feign morning sickness or something to escape the RW?

Almost every time we see Robb he is sitting at his war table with the cool looking house statuettes. He has to be planning something. But first he needs more men, which is what he thinks he is going to be getting at the Twins. So the Wedding is pretty important.

He hasn't had any war council scenes with his main lieutenants that I can recall. Just him and his immediate family and those statues. :P

Obviously the Wedding is important, and the Frey troops. The point is, the will would have no importance to the storyline unless there were some imminent danger (like a battle) introduced to the viewer, as it was in the books.

Also- Shae's chain. That made me laugh. Not because I'm bloodthirsty, but because after the whitewashing of Tyrion this season (which did continue in this episode) I had decided Shae would escape. Now I have hope that the whitewashing is a front meant to elevate the shock when it happens.

Re: Robb's will... He was planning a battle immediately after the Wedding, which was the impetus for the will in the book. Unless I missed something, I'm not getting a big plan in the works vibe, which disturbs me more than the actual will tbh. It's kind of felt like Robb & co have spent a lot of time traveling to family functions this season- a funeral at Riverrun, now a wedding at the Twins, not much action or planning going on.

Also trying to remember if they heard about the Bran & Rickon "bodies" in episode 2 or was that the one where Robb bizarrely implied there was still hope they might be found?

Well, Theon vanishes from the plot for a long stretch in the books, and we piece together what happened to him from his crazed rambling. What they are doing is showing what is happening to him, something the show watchers who have not read the book need to know to understand the Theon in season 5.

Agree with this completely. In fact, I just had pretty much this conversation with someone who is a show only fan.

To all those who expected Jaime to push Locke into the pit with his stump- absolutely! I actually did an audible countdown. Would have been nice.

Sorry, but I had to steal this line and post it on EW's weekly recap.

It is a really funny line.

Followed up with "What does it do?" (about the dagger) which I also found very funny for some reason. I actually loved that scene and the way the camera work built tension. Felt like something was about to jump out from behind a tree the whole time.

I still think that Tyrion's whitewashing is much more severe and I will be extremely surprised if he kills Shae.

Agree with that. Someone will I'm sure, but not this Tyrion.

I'm wondering about the whitewashing of Cersei too. Laying everything at Joffrey's door will certainly make the TV audience hate him more (as if we need any more reason after tonight) but what about when we really need to hate Cersei? Humanizing her is taking place too soon, IMO.

One thing about the Mandon Moore order being put down to Joffrey- I've always been convinced that LF was behind that. Now with Ros, we have a proved connection between LF and Joff.

Also, am I the only one who has complete confidence that Davos will save Gendry?

The greatest version of The Bear and Maiden Fair ever?

The Hold Steady, should be available by the end of the week (4/20)

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/03/indie-rock-band-will-bring-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-to-life/

Horse death spiral?

There a difference between an alive an self aware Cat and the undead Cat. Even though Cat knew she was a bitch to Jon, she couldn't help her self. She's not one of the stories sociopaths until after her swim.

I was referring to live Cat blaming herself for not being able to protect her girls and Bran & Rickon. I think in show they are trying to project her mindset of grief and guilt. Having smoothed over her earlier interactions with Jon they now need to present that conflict in a different way. Possibly something they felt wouldn't be important to leave out and then had to backtrack on? It might explain why the scene was so jarring.

Where is this nice Cat everyone is getting? I believe her moment of "weakness" was when she thought young Jon might die. She prayed for his life, but when his life was spared, she went back hating Ned's bastard. I think it's consistent, not everyone is completely evil or good in this story.

I agree. For goodness sake, she prayed for Jon to die and then freaked out because it looked like he might and instead prayed for him to live. It wasn't about Jon, it was about her not wanting to be seen (by her gods) as an evil person. She made a bargain for his life and then failed to keep it. Just setting up her tremendous inner conflict over the loss of her children. It's no so overt in the books, but it's there.

Otherwise, I thought it was a decent episode. Slow in spots, but some great character intros. Theon scenes are going to be very painful.

And those who pegged the Jaime comment about Renly & the IT as the best of the hour were right on. Lmao.