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What doesn't make sense to me is Myrcella and Cersei would not oppose eachother no matter how much people tried to manipulate her.

Stannis is the one in the North, not his wife.

In a short amount of time Dany went from Quarth to conquering 3 cities of slaver's bay and gained an army...

He expected to have years before Cersei screwed things up in KL which means Dany easily fits into the she'll be here within a few years...

So my guess is Dany, Cersei Margaery

Syrio is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone tries to bring up "whitewashing of Cersei" I'm going to tell them to watch this episode. Threatening to kill Margaery because she called her "sister" ? Telling Loras to STFU, pointing out the Rains of Castamere?

and after seeing so many freaking people comment about the Sansa thing and how she shouldn't have knelt it's ridiculous.

In the books Tyrion is too proud to ask Sansa to kneel and Sansa knows the Tyrion can't reach her. In the show he does ask her to kneel. She couldn't refuse a simple request like that, it would make no freaking sense.

Wow way to not read the article. Oona Chaplin was talking about another actress on the set.

Still, kind of shitty that they wrote Ros out of the show simply because she wouldn't do nudity anymore.

When you apply for a job don't audition for one that is called "whore"

Were those birds on the weirwood near Sam a reference to Bloodraven, or was I imagining it?

Possibly or they were referencing Cold Hands. They were making a lot of noise to let Sam and Gilly know that Puddles was after them.

I am confused isnt Daario Naharis with the Stormscrow and not theThe second sons. Where is Ben Plumm

Again, show simplification. One sellsword army instead of two(even the size more than doubled) Storm Crows and Second Sons were 800 men a piece in the books weren't they? They're over 2,000 in the show..

Brown Ben Plumm wasn't elected a leader of the Second Sons until Mero fleed, so their options are: make Ben Plumm a captain of the Second Sons now that Daario is the only person in charge.

Option B is add him later as a "faction" that splits from Dany and Daario while in Mareen.

Option C is have Daario take over Ben Plumm's role and betray Dany.

In the book didn't the dragon glass break?

Yes and no, the dragonglass killed the White Walker but it broke against a wight/armor. Killing the White Walker didn't break the dagger, it did make it extremely cold to the touch.

So you're saying Sam and Bran don't meet? How would Sam find his way under the wall without Coldhands?

Sam and Bran definitely do meet this season. I don't know if they'll show Coldhands this season though, Sam and Gilly might just appear on the other side of the Wall and describe him.

It seems silly since Cold Hands could get played by a stunt double this season and recast, but perhaps they want to give the finale a "magical feel to it"

Ellie Kendrick the actress who plays Meera Reed even spoiled something on Thronecast last week about how she went to school with the girl that plays Gilly and they have a scene together this season.

Meaning Sam, Bran, Gilly, Meera and Jojen meet at the Nightfort.

Good episode. I'm glad Cersei mentioned the meaning of Castamere to Marge.

And did I hear correctly that Olenna mentioned Loras has a brother?

She told Margaery that her brother(Loras) will be her father in-law(since he's marrying Cersei)

Why change the line, then?

In the books he only says "so long as you give mine to Robb Stark"

Why did they give NCW more lines to say? Because awesome.

I think arya will get the ax to the head in ep9 and depending on if they show LS this season she might see her mother dead if not leave ppl wondering if arya's dead too like theon.

Doubt that happens.

I remember seeing a clip in a promo of Arya and the Hound in what looked like a dungeon(possibly castle) and Arya runs forward with an extremely concerned look on her face, the Hound grabs her and pulls her back.

Please trust me, I saw it, I don't remember which promo it was there was like 30 by the time it was over, but my first reaction to the split second clip is, Arya is going to get inside the castle and get close enough to witness the Rains of Castamered stuff go down.. uggh.

Is Talisa a spy? Possibly. It does seem odd how many letters she is writing. My (non-book reading) husband asked "Is she from the same place that Shae is from?" I think the answer is, yes, right? Aren't they both supposed to be from Volantis but one is a whore and one is a lady?

Talisa is a noble from Voltantis. Shae is a commoner from Lorath supposedly, Cersei asks her when she left Lorath(2.9 Blackwater), claiming she recognized her accent because she had a Lorathi handmaiden once. Shae doesn't ever confirm she's correct just makes up a bunch of BS on the spot to cover her ass. Cersei can tell she's not a noble woman by the way she curtseys I suppose as well.

Jaqen H'ghar claimed he was from Lorath, but it was probably just part of his cover since his accent changes a bit when he changes his face.

By the way, where is Grey Wind ? Pretty sure we couldn't see Robb's direwolf this season

We've seen him once as soldiers are riding past him and then Karstark and Robb start talking about RR march being a distraction.

My thoughts:

Are they setting the stage for Osha leaving with Rickon? Or do we think she'll stick it out with Bran and the Reeds? Speaking of which, THAT whole story needs more. We need to see Bran having more visions and spending more time as a warg. Right now, I feel like there's not enough to establish why exactly Bran feels like he shouldn't go to Castle Black.

It's been pretty obvious since season one that Osha doesn't want to go back north of the wall. She chose to kneel instead of die and didn't ever try to escape from Winterfell until the Greyjoys took over. The only time she suggested going back to Mance was when they "captured" Bran in the woods when they first met him. "A living kin to Benjen Stark" or something...

She tried to warn Robb Stark about the danger North of the Wall when he rode south, it's clear she's seen the walkers before, I guess most the audience just needs a reminder about where Osha came from and though she was loyal to her "little lords" in season two, there's a line she's not willing to cross, that line is the Wall.

I wonder why they felt the need to change Arya from worshiping the Old Gods to the god of death?

First off, it's a nod that Syrio's words still have an impact on her. Syrio is the one that told her there is only one god, and his name is death. Just like Syrio's words have a huge impact on her in the books. "Quick as a snake, silent as a shadow"

Arya goes through a religious struggle with the old gods in the books, she abandons them after Ned beheading, she mocks them in Harrenhall(enter Jaqen with "the gods are not mocked girl") but then asks for help, which is answered by herself(through Nymeria).

She rejects the "red god" when the Hound is found innocent of murdering Mycah even though he admits he killed him.

We get the GoHH in the books instead of Melisandre, so instead of the old gods green dreamer fearing her we get the red god priestess with a hint of fear.

When she gets to Braavos it's not going to matter anyway, since she'll start serving the God of Many Faces and Many Names.

A few laughs: Tyrion with the chair, Hot Pie and Gendy (I ship it)

Winterhell.

'It's a wolf.' ... 'Yes it is'

'Don't get stabbed' 'Don't burn your fingers'

so cute, I'm sad to see Hot Pie go, I hope they have people stop at that place just so Hot Pie can make cameos. Brienne maybe, that just add another person to her looking for Sansa Stark and running into all the people that Arya Stark came across.

Bad Stuff!

Brienne and Jaime had no respect for the others fighting, which is a massive shame, I loved the mutual respect they had in the books.

Then Robb and the Blackfish believe Bran and Rickon are alive... No! Just No.

Stannis and Mel scene, was just odd, sets up the Gendry thing though. But the worst thing was Stannis wants the baby! He has no remorse about his brother. Big change from the books, don't like one bit.

He showed remorse about it last season when he's about to kill Mel, "I killed my brother?".....

Dany didn't share her plan with Barristan and Jorah. Not sure about that. Then her being 'commanding' just seems very wooden. Still not convinced by EC.

She does the same thing in the books. She needs them to react the way they do or something might not have smelled right.

After Dany has acquired Missandei as Her Girl Friday.

Right out of the Book:

Missandei:"Valar Morghulis"

Dany:"All Men Must Serve"

not in the book

Dany looks at Missandei.

Dany:"We are not men."

Missandei, mild smile.

D and D , that was a good one!

Valar Morghulis, means All Men Must Die, Valar Dohaeris means "all men must serve"

i watch every week with 3 non book readers. i was waiting the entire episode for sam the slayer, the reveal of ramsay (guess that wont be for A WHILE,) jamies hand and dany to reveal her understand of kraznys(sp.) when do the more seasoned readers expect these things to happen? i cant remember exactly when she revealed she could understand him, but i thought it was during the negotiating, i guess that was all one scene in the book though? anyone?

The reader knows from the get go that she understands him because we're inside Dany's head. In the book she reveals it to one of the slavers( the rest are too distracted because they have a freaking DRAGON!) As soon as the transaction is complete, she starts screaming "it is done, you are mine, bought and paid for, it is done" in Valaryian.

i feel like it did. it showed her watching him after she came back and sat down, i think she understood that he talked them out of it, she must have understood that SOMETHING happened in order to go from full rape to chillin by a tree.

Yeap, it becomes pretty obvious because she's silent. She can't really talk to Jaime about why he lied for her, but when she gets a chance I'm sure she'll ask.

Just watched it again, and I couldn't help but chuckle at the Jon+ wildlings scene. I kept picturing the White Walkers all placing random horse parts in a pattern, then giggling as they tip toed away. Why the pattern?

Why do they let Will go so he can tell people that they have returned? Why did they let Sam go? They aren't just mindless zombies. They want people to know that they're out there.

Does anyone know if Beric Dondarrion's been cast this season? I know Strong Belwas isn't :( but I'm still holding out hope for him! Who else will beat the champion of Mereen, or whatever they call him?

So when do we think Lady Stoneheart will appear? Since Book 3 will run into next season. do you guys think she will appear then, or this season? I'd love for them to have her appear at the very end of Episode 10 this season. Like, even AFTER the credits. It would be amazing!

Beric is going to be in the next episode. My guess is if they do a champion single combat scene for Mareen it will be Barristan so we can finally see why he's the greatest knight ever. Jorah and Daario are also possibilities, it will probably not happen this season though, sadly.

And does anyone here know anything about CGI? I wonder why it's so expensive, I thought it was just kind of similar to computer animation or something. Because I'm wondering why we only ever see one of Dany's dragons when she has three. We never see.. um... Viseron and Rhaegal? I forget their names because we only ever hear about Drogon.

Also, I have no idea what Robb and the Tullys were talking about, I must have breezed over that part in the books.

I didn't have a problem with the rock Bear and Maiden Fair. I thought it was a cool version. It was just a little odd following Jaime's behanding!

It's different in the books, but basically after Robb lifts Jaime Lannister's seige at Riverrun, he tells his uncle Edmure to hold it. Edmure does hold it, but he also attacks the Mountain.

I'm wondering how the non-book readers are handing the Tully introduction. This is the first we ever heard on the show that Robb is King of the Riverlands as well as the North, and that's a pretty big deal. It makes it kinda weird that we haven't heard of any Riverland soldiers in his army up to this point.

Robb lifted Jaime Lannister's seige at Riverrun season one and captured him, lifting the siege brought all the Lords of the Riverlands into the war against the Lannnisters.

Very shortly later, Ned is beheaded and the Lords are discussing Stannis/Joffrey/Renly etc. that's when Robb is given his crown and declared King in the North.

(however since they helped the Riverlands allied with Freys through promises of marriage and Riverrun, the Riverlands are part of their kingdom)

King in the North and Riverlands just doesn't sound as cool

The bear and the maiden fair!! Finally.

Brienne giving crap to Jaime is completely unacceptable though. She's supposed to be impressed.

Edit: gonna miss Hot Pie!!!

She'll probably admit it later on to him, he's being kinda mean to her at that point.

Was Missandei not weirded out that Dany understood what Valar morghulis meant?

Valar Morghulis is a popular saying. Many people that don't speak High Valyrian know what it means.

Pod losing his virginity.. something they really didn't need to include. Strange that they did.

Pod's a lot younger in the books(ten or twelve Brienne can't tell how old he is), Pod saved his life, Tyrion wants to reward him for it.

I watch with my non book reader sister and her just reading book one now boyfriend, and they both kind of cheered when Jaime got his hand cut off saying he got what he deserved, whereas I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOO."

Watching it happen is so different than reading it. I think my imagination played it down.

It's because you don't even know what happens. The chapter ends with the Darthanki swinging his blade down, and Jaime screamed. It's a couple hundred pages before the next Jaime chapter that reveals his hand was cut off.

WOW....showrunners put the Meereenese knot in. What a great easter egg!

Very good episode, definitely the best in this young season. The Blackfish was suitably baddass and Edmure dull-witted. Lulz over Pod. Well-endowed. he??? And that last scene. wow. You have to wonder how far along those rapers got with Brienne. :( And even though I knew it was coming, Jaime's end was great/awful.

Brienne still seems to have her clothes on so.... not far I guess.

One thing I didn't understand, that little Talisa scene with the Lannister hostages...are they truthfully setting her up as a spy?

Yes, obviously, just like the PW is clearly this season because they mention the cost of it.

On a serious note I think she's just trying to make polite conversation with them, and it's a good set-up "Don't worry he[Robb] doesn't harm little boys"

Wonder what's gonna piss Karstark off so bad that he kills the lannister hostages. Can't remember if he has kids in this show or not.

He's got nothing left now, all his sons died fighting a war that seems pretty hopeless right now. All that is driving him is revenge. We see many examples of this in the books.

The huntsman that captures the Hound wants to throw him into a crow cage and let him rot. Lord Wyman wants to kill Frey's and bathe in their blood as he's dying.

and then there's what Catelyn Stark becomes. Karstark in the show tells Catelyn he would gladly tear his heart out of his chest if it would bring his sons back to life and let them be stuck in captivity like her daughters are.

I was wondering WHAT was Arya talking about when she said to the Hound "Do you remember the last time you were here?". After reading this I remembered she does not stop talking to him about what he did to Micah from Season 1!

I was like "What?! When has Arya seen the Hound outside of the castle?!"

I'm posting way too much, but this episode was really good!

She saw the Hound at Winterfell, when the King visited and they traveled together back to KL, that place was one of the places they stopped.

Hot Pie was cute. Does he still not realize Arya's a girl? He said "brother of a king".

Hot Pie says "I'm no brother of a king" .... Arya's brother is a king.

It does sound like he says 'Arry' when he says goodbye. Perhaps he didn't learn her first name after all.

I have a feeling they are going to leave the Greyjoys out the show... Stannis only said I want Joffrey and Robb dead. So I dont think we are going to see Balon Greyjoys fly off the bridge... I was eager to see that scene... No dead Balon no kingsmoot... No euron no Victarion !? Or maybe they are keeping this for later, when some of the old characters will be dead...

I saw about a one second clip of Yara from this season. Balon would die this season if they follow the books, it's the whole reason Robb sees the opportunity to get North again and the reason he goes to the Twins in the first place. The Kingsmoot wouldn't happen until next season, it gets called but it takes awhile for all the captains to get to Old Wyk.

Perhaps Stannis isn't even worried about the Ironborne at this point? He did destroy their fleet in the Greyjoy Rebellion so I'm sure he believes he can take care of them again no problem.

good to see riverunn in the credits and just a qustion when robb was yelling at edmure was he talking about tywin or the mountain cause tywin is all the way in kings landing also it was nice to see the lannister boys martin and the other one, didnt like that talisa isnt acting liek a proper queen and that the freys leaving is still not mentioned and i definitly didnt like that she tells them robb stark turns into a wolf whats the point of that it will only make robb seem like a monster. i loved the ending locke is one hell of an actor and jaimes reaction before the credits....... PRiCELESS

Robb is talking about how he had a trap set for the Mountain they would've surrounded him and killed him. He also explains that Tywin Lannister doesn't need his men as badly as they do because they're greatly outnumbered.

Why did Pod get the whore services for free?

"He[Pod] saved my life so I [Tyrion] owe him a small amount yes." - did he just make a dwarf pun at himself?

"I[Littlefinger] owe you as well, it's said you helped my red hedded associate out of some trouble with the queen."

so Tyrion owes Pod and Littlefinger owes Tyrion therefore Tyrion doesn't have to pay for Pod's reward.

Tyrion might have figured it out, but Bronn certainly probably couldn't connect the dots so he goes along with it to give the boy some confidence.

"There are no masters in the grave" and the slave praying for death. An interesting call back to the origin of the Faceless Men?

Call forward actually isn't it? Since the show hasn't gotten that far yet.

Nice catch though. It also probably strengthens Dany's resolve since that slave would rather be dead than a slave.

Questions from Episode 3 I need clearing up?

1. Since when do the White Walkers arrange the dead in the shape of universes? I don't remember this from the books.

Since the first scene of NW that go beyond the wall in the first episode in the first season.

2. Why is Tormond going over the wall? Wasn't it someone else in the book? Can't remember. Does this mean Tormond is going to die?! I hope not. He hasn't even talked about his "biological advantages" yet.

It gives him something to do this season. I hope they don't alter him becoming King later on....

3. What the eff is Ghost doing?

4. When is Samwell going to kill the wight?

5. Where are they making Stannis out to be a bitch?

6. Ramsay told Theon: "Winter is coming." WTF?

7. Locke seems like a good character for the show and all, but why replace the Bloody Mummers. Was really looking forward to seeing the leader of those dudes on screen. Would have made a great character. Maybe they couldn't find an actor good enough to pull off that role?

8. Why so much hate for the song at the end? Thought it was both great and equally as shocking as Jaime parting ways with his sword hand.

9. Lastly, who gives a rip if stuff in the show deviates from the book? I like the changes. It's not supposed to be exactly like the book. If it was, it would be difficult to watch. The Pod stuff was great. It showed Tyrion and Bronn are just dudes who want to know details of this Pod's great sex-capade. Now, I would't put it past Tyrion to have the whole thing set up that way to make Pod feel good about himself. You know, come out of his shell a little bit.

3. scouting for wights? I have no clue really.

4. Sam doesn't kill a wight, he kills a white walker. Probably when one is stupid enough to challenge the slayer. I'm guessing it comes after him and Gilly and the baby and he protects them?

5. He just got pwned. He's a little bit depressed right now. Did you see the pile of notes on his table?

6. Every Northman knows the Stark words.

7. Changes made season 2 have a "weasel soup" domino effect. They weren't introduced then, so now they're unnecessary. Perhaps this also keeps us in the dark a little longer about how sellswords and their loyalty?

They always get their gold back, one way or another.

hint hint

I believe the saying goes something like "The Iron Bank will have it's due."

The funniest part I see is the fact that Barristan doesn't know that Tywin, Joffrey, the Starks etc. are dead.

Which means that if Tyrion gets a chance to talk to Barristian it will be a pretty interesting conversation.

I don't believe that blowing the dragon horn will call Drogon back to Mareen. He's too far away to hear it.

When the horn was blown at the Kingsmoot I don't remember the Dragons obeying.

Also I'm not so sure that Victorian will risk blowing the horn

1. He doesn't know where the dragons are.

2. He doesn't know what the horn will do...

3. He has a fleet of wooden ships in the bay.

It takes a long time for news to travel half-way across the world.

The only reason Westros keeps up with Dany is because of Varys and Ser Jonah.

If Tyrion manages to get to Dany/Barristan he'll be able to update them on a ton of stuff as far as Westros. Even bring a couple people back to life.