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This is something batshit crazy Viserys espoused and not reality. In the books, several Targs die of disease as seen in the Great Spring Sickness.

Here's a line from that moron Dan Weiss (and for the record I think he's dumber than Benioff) in an EW interview "Stannis has been burning people alive for seemingly trivial reasons since season 2, yet we’ve still tended to regard him as a great leader—at least, by Westeros standards." In the books, Stannis never burned people for "trivial reasons," and if that's what the showrunners want to show, then they've created a character that is not the Stannis in the books.

^ This. Book Stannis held a castle for his brother while he and his men were starving. And now he burns his own daughter because his army loses its food supply. And whatever D&D may say on Inside the Episode, I don't believe GRRM will show Stannis as he is currently in the books, stand and watch his daughter burn. Something drastic has to happen before he does that not because Ramsay and his 20 commandos burnt his food stores. D&D has whitewashed Cersei, Tyrion, and Dany on the show and made Stannis into this inhumane being. Like a poster above said, now if they ever show the Battle of Ice, why would people ever want Stannis to win.

I would have given this episode a negative score if possible. As 1 is the lowest, that's what it will get from me. Whether Stannis ends up burning his daughter in the books (which is strange considering that in the books he wants Shireen to inherit his crown) or not, the fact that Dumb and Dumber just made Stannis burn his daughter because his army lost their food supply is stupid as hell. And to top it, they have Selyse (the real fanatic) look better than Stannis. If GRRM meant for Stannis to be so callous and cruel, I sure as hell didn't get it from reading the books. I'm not even a huge fan of Stannis but they really butchered the character in this show. And to get an actor of Stephen Dillane's caliber to do this crap, is mind boggling to say the least. The Mereen scene was also done poorly, inspite of Drogon's appearance. Seriously, Drogon needs a runway to take off. And Dany just decides to leave her followers behind to be slaughtered. The fact that they are not slaughtered by the sons of the Harpy is also dumb and illogical. Why and how are they still alive next episode. So once Dany flies off, the sons of the Harpy just say "Okay now let's go home. Who cares about the Khaleesi's advisers and royal guard." And I don't have to mention the ridiculousness of the Dorne scenes this season. The only saving grace this episode was Arya's reaction to seeing Meryn Trant. Oh yeah, and Jorah touched Dany's hand. So does that mean she is going to get Greyscale or is Dumb and Dumber going to show that the myth of Targ's being immune to disease is true? Of course, D&D doesn't care about continuity or logic on this show, so they'll probably forget that scene altogether.

Definitely the best episode this season. Except for the fact that I didn't quite feel any chemistry between Dinklage and Emilia, which is strange considering that Dinklage seemed to act and react well with everyone else so far. In his scenes with Dany it seemed more like he was just reading his lines. And I'll never get used to Emilia's vacant stare and monotone. I didn't mind the Arya scenes but they aren't doing much to flesh out Arya this season. Sansa/Theon, Cercei scenes were good as well. Hardhome looked spectacular. They really spent a ton of money on this set. The action scenes were a bit incoherent in places but Kit Harrington is really good with a sword. The look on his face in the last scene was also good -- a look of fear and foreboding. And the NK fellow seemed to either know who Jon Snow is or sees him as a worthy adversary. Overall great episode.

I gave it a 9 and I definitely enjoyed this episode more than any other this season. My only complaints are the Myranda/Ramsay and Grey Worm/Missandei scenes, especially considering they seem pressed for time and there are a zillion other characters they can flesh out. Also, they didn't include Roose's "don't make me rue the day..." line. As for the Dany scene, she is fickle and unpredictable in the books and that's exactly what they are showing. And did anyone catch Aemon's line about how terrible it is to be the only Targ and Jon walks in? They are biginning to hit the viewers in the head with the whole Jon's heritage.

Jorah's got greyscale.

OMG! more Grey Worm and Missandei.

Double post

Did anyone notice? Soon after Aemon said last Targaryen, Jon appears. They are making this very obvious.

Lol. Yup she was

I thought it played out well and was acted terrifically by Maisie. That kid's got some acting chops.

Yeah, the acting was one of the best overall. No cringe worthy facial expressions/lines from any of the actors.

9/10 for me. Likes: Jon/Mance tent scene. Jon saying 'I know my father died for him' and Stannis acknowledging Ned. Tormund/Jon scene. 'You'll never be a kneeler again.' Foreshadowing? Mel staring at Jon. Looks like she's already seen him in her fires. Ygritte funeral. Actually everything Kit did these past two episodes was gold. Finally, I'm beginning to believe he was the right choice to play Jon. Cercei telling Tywin about the Twincest. Deviation I know but I don't mind, especially with Lena's smug satisfied look. Arya/Brienne conversation. For a second soon after Brienne says that her father said 'if you are going to fight you better learn to do it right,' Arya gives a broad smile. Looks like she's remembering what Ned told her. For a second there it almost seemed like Arya was a child again. Maisie is such a treat to watch BR saying I see with a thousand eyes and one and telling Bran you'll fly. Varys face and him turning back after the bells start ringing. Arya's last scene was also pure gold, especially with the background music. Her running towards the front of the ship and looking forward was great. Dislikes: Comical skeleton wights and the grenades Leaf was throwing. Actually that whole fight scene and the way Jojen died. Brienne/Hound fight scene. It started out well, then it got too bloody and long. They could have had Sandor lose his footing and tumbling from that hill instead of Bri pounding his head a zillion times with those rather large rocks. And why did the knight at the bloody gate let Sandor and Arya get away? A discoonect there that makes no sense. Shae taking a knife to Tyrion. Then why show Shae as really in love with Tyrion for 2 whole seasons. I get it, it's a defensive move but then have Tyrion lunge at her or something not just stare at her. No LS. If anyone in Westoros deserves their comeuppance it's Walder Frey and his brood. And if not LS who's left to to do it. I'm sure I'm missing stuff but this is all I can remember for now.

Well considering how D&D didn't develop/flesh out the characters/storylines at the Wall, Jon (or rather Kit) and gang did a pretty awesome job this episode. Kudos to them for that.

Regarding Ghost: 'I need him more than I need you' 😉. But agree, they've marginalized Ghost's importance in Jon's storyline 😡

I posted the link in response to an earlier poster who called everyone who liked this episode as being tasteless. I don't make my judgement based on Elio's or GRRM's opinion and neither should anyone else.

Have you seen the link/read the article? GRRM said he loved the episode after watching it.

But he doesn't have to say he liked it either. In this case, however, he reached out to Neil Marshall to say how much he loved the episode. I doubt he does that for every episode.

They'll still find a reason to hate and call those that disagree 'tasteless'.

FYI, GRRM loved this episode. Tasteless, is he?http://time.com/2847942/game-of-thrones-director-george-r-r-martin-liked-last-nights-episode/

GRRM loved the episode: http://time.com/2847942/game-of-thrones-director-george-r-r-martin-liked-last-nights-episode/

I saw the episode for the 3rd time and it gets better with each viewing. This was Kit's coming out episode and he did it with a blast. Contrary to what I thought up until now, the man has acting chops. And he's a master with the sword. Everyone's talking about the Thorne/Tormund fight but look at the choreography on the Jon/Styr fight and Kit's footwork. It's amazing. I just saw Weiss talking on Inside the Ep (or whatever that's called) and they really are amazed by Kit's swordplay. Another thing Weiss said was Jon 'assuming the mantle of authority without wanting it,' which really sounds like the reluctant hero trope 😉

Speak for yourself

Edit: Thought you meant Tormund. Yes, I liked show Thorne. They made the character more nuanced