Suzanna Stormborn

To the bolded, sure why not? They have lied about many things. And like many have said, the story is constantly in flux, from the 1993 outline to now it has changed immensely. GRRM has stated that he gave them bullet points 6 years ago, maybe Bran was king in those bullet points and maybe he wasn't. Alls I know is that he only has 2 books and Dany is still in Meereen and Bran is still in a cave NotW. Nothing is set in stone until he publishes. Why do I think the show made Bran King? because they're idiots--same reason they made Arya kill the King White Walker--shock and a BIG STUPID TWIST that doesn't fit with the plot.

The only way Bran will be King at the end of the books is if every Lord in Westeros suddenly becomes a good person and forgets everything they've ever said or done their entire lives. And if they all suddenly find themselves living on Earth in 2020 instead of Planetos in the Bronze Age.

He literally did NOT say that He said this. --"I’ve been so slow with these books," Martin told Rolling Stone. "The major points of the ending will be things I told [Benioff and Weiss] five or six years ago. But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added." 100% agree, the show is inacurate for all characters we know.

I think it does, they are the ones who wrote in the script that Jaime goes back to Cersei 3 different times after Riverrun. They also wrote Jaime going to Dorne to meet Bad Pussy. I think that's awful plot/script/writing whatever you want to call it, it was all pure nonsense that was100% invented by D&D.

Quotes from GRRM about the how the show will be different from the [unwritten] final book; --"I’ve been so slow with these books," Martin told Rolling Stone. "The major points of the ending will be things I told [Benioff and Weiss] five or six years ago. But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added." ---And I’m writing. Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is. THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done. I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING. How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different? Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget. They had six hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them. And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one. There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet. And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort… Book or show, which will be the “real” ending? It’s a silly question. How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have? How about this? I’ll write it. You read it. Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet. So yeah, he says that they made some of the characters have the same ending as what he had in mind 5 or 6 years ago. and that's all. Everyone on this thread who is falling for the ULTRA STUPIDITY of what D&D gave us---well I feel very sorry for you, and I am sorry that you have so little faith in GRRM. To even suggest that his masterpiece will end the same way those 2-bit hacks showed us on HBO is appalling. But of course, all Dany-Haters will love the HBO ending (despite most of them complaining about how stupid the show is these past 8 years) and Dany-Fans will hate it. I am seeing a clear divided line on these HBO threads, with most book-forum Dany-Haters coming here to say they think this is how it will end. So the show is "stupid, plot-less, bad writing, ridiculous, larry carol, deadpans, Pomade Jesus", etc. right up until Dany starts killing innocents--then all of a sudden it's "Exactly accurate" and "this is the ending" well fucking LMAO to that. D&D are dumbass terrible writer/directors and if hating Dany makes you suddenly disagree with that that's on you. I prefer to be consistent. Edit: and if you think that nothing could possibly change over the past 6 years then I will refer you back to GRRM's original 1993 outline for the books....... it has changed so much it would be impossible for anyone except him to keep up with it.

I'm going to disagree with a lot of ppl here and say that the only similarity is that the WW's will be defeated. Nothing else will be the same.

Thank you thank you! isn’t there one of NCW bashing D&D in some way?

Can anyone post the interviews where GOT actors talk shit abt the directors/writers? Currently in a group text where ppl are arguing that these interviews do not exist. It’s my understanding that there are lots of them?

Lmfao You win the internet today!

yes but that means that the Song of Ice and Fire, the Prince that was Promised is only around to help Dany's story make sense? That's what I'm getting at, what a poor state of events for the Jon Snow character. I'm sorry D&D did this to you Jon and Dany.

Lol to Sansa telling Edmure to sit down. I still dont understand why Sansa gets a higher voice or more power than anyone else sitting in that council. Like why is everyone listening to her? And Lol to Bran playing the long-con, the very long-con to make himself King. He knew what Dany would do the whole time apparently and let it happen so that he could be king? So how is he any better than Show-Dany? WTF is wrong with these people? And someone please give me ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY reason that Jon was brought back from the dead or RLJ? give me any fucking reason!!!!!

Apparently there was a water bottle on screen during the Jon/Dany scene, just like the Starbucks cup. edit: correction it was in the great council scene I hate D&D more than anyone else in the Entertainment industry.

Listen yo!!!!! The books will not end like this!!!!!!!

Sam is Archmaester? didn’t he abandon his training and steal books? I dont understand

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING IVE EVER SEEN!!!

Love your thoughts here. This post says it all. I disagree that Dany will go mad in the books, but agree on everything else. And the snippet above is what I would also like to say to HBO and D&D. They shouldnt have done this. They are not artists. They are hacks. Fuck them both, and if Disney doesn't pull Star Wars from them then I expect they will single-handedly destroy my 2 favorite fantasy tales ever. so Fuck them.

Dude for reals!!! If Jon had just actually loved her like he said he did. If Sansa and Arya had been nice to her. If Tyrion hadn't filled her head with 100 bad ideas in a row. If the Winterfell A Team had planned going to KL a little better (and idk, maybe remembered that Euron's fleet was in the Blackwater?) then everything would be fine now. D&D are making Dany take the fall for everything they fucked up over the last few years. so FUCK THEM

Can anyone give a reason why Jon keeps saying he loves Dany but then broke up with her minutes before the big invasion? Did he think that would help anyone? Could he have be more useless in this series? How did D&D manage to completely destroy the 2 lead roles so quickly? It took like 2 decades to build them up and D&D brought them all the way down in 2 weeks? I wish I had never watched this show.

That one beach is where everyone washes up.......

So much for the valonqar prophecy.... Jon was pretty stunned and useless on the ground. Bleh

What would be her ‘personal’ reason for completely destroying her families entire city/castle? I mean it just made no sense. Wtf

Because Dany is actually Venom from Spiderman 3?

What was the reason she wouldn’t stop? Why weren’t they even showing her face at all?

The fuck did I just watch?

Game of Thrones 72?????