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Suzanna Stormborn

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  1. 20 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    So do you think Isaac is lying or that the showrunners lied to him when they told him it came directly from GRRM?  

    And why do you think the show made Bran king when it was clear for several seasons that they disliked his storyline after he left Winterfell?

    It strikes me that an easier and more popular solution for the show would have been to have the Great Council as a new form of government....so since they didn't do this easier and more popular solution, I can only believe it was because Bran being king is a book endpoint, same as the endpoints they used for the rest of the major characters.  

     

    To the bolded, sure why not? They have lied about many things.

    And like many have said, the story is constantly in flux, from the 1993 outline to now it has changed immensely. GRRM has stated that he gave them bullet points 6 years ago, maybe Bran was king in those bullet points and maybe he wasn't. Alls I know is that he only has 2 books and Dany is still in Meereen and Bran is still in a cave NotW. Nothing is set in stone until he publishes. 

    Why do I think the show made Bran King? because they're idiots--same reason they made Arya kill the King White Walker--shock and a BIG STUPID TWIST that doesn't fit with the plot.

  2. 12 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    The show can suck and still have been faithful to the ending he gave them, which is what the totality of everyone's statements in context indicates.  He has said that he's known the ending for the main characters for YEARS, which is the ending he gave the show, which they said they loved.  

    He literally did NOT say that

     

    He said this.

    --"I’ve been so slow with these books," Martin told Rolling Stone. "The major points of the ending will be things I told [Benioff and Weiss] five or six years ago. But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added."

    12 minutes ago, Lollygag said:

    If the ending is accurate to that character, it was poorly written. If the ending isn't accurate to that character and is something different, it was also poorly written.

    As I can't think of a single character who has been handled well especially compared to the early seasons, if we use quality as a measure of judging accuracy, then 100% of the show is inaccurate to the ending of the book characters. 

    100% agree, the show is inacurate for all characters

    3 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    Sure, I hate the endings for everyone as well, except for Dany,

    we know.

  3. Just now, Lollygag said:

    The quality of writing has no bearing on accuracy either way. 

    I think it does, they are the ones who wrote in the script that Jaime goes back to Cersei 3 different times after Riverrun. They also wrote Jaime going to Dorne to meet Bad Pussy. I think that's awful plot/script/writing whatever you want to call it, it was all pure nonsense that was100% invented by D&D.

  4. Quotes from GRRM about the how the show will be different from the [unwritten] final book;

    --"I’ve been so slow with these books," Martin told Rolling Stone. "The major points of the ending will be things I told [Benioff and Weiss] five or six years ago. But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added."

     

    ---And I’m writing.   Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is.   THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done.  I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.

    How will it all end? I hear people asking.   The same ending as the show?  Different?

    Well… yes.  And no.  And yes.   And no.   And yes.   And no.   And yes.

    I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget.   They had six hours for this final season.   I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them.   And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one.   There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…

    Book or show, which will be the “real” ending?   It’s a silly question.   How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have?

    How about this?  I’ll write it.   You read it.  Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.

     

     

    So yeah, he says that they made some of the characters have the same ending as what he had in mind 5 or 6 years ago. and that's all. Everyone on this thread who is falling for the ULTRA STUPIDITY of what D&D gave us---well I feel very sorry for you, and I am sorry that you have so little faith in GRRM. To even suggest that his masterpiece will end the same way those 2-bit hacks showed us on HBO is appalling.  But of course, all Dany-Haters will love the HBO ending (despite most of them complaining about how stupid the show is these past 8 years) and Dany-Fans will hate it. I am seeing a clear divided line on these HBO threads, with most book-forum Dany-Haters coming here to say they think this is how it will end. So the show is "stupid, plot-less, bad writing, ridiculous, larry carol, deadpans, Pomade Jesus", etc. right up until Dany starts killing innocents--then all of a sudden it's "Exactly accurate" and "this is the ending" well fucking LMAO to that. D&D are dumbass terrible writer/directors and if hating Dany makes you suddenly disagree with that that's on you. I prefer to be consistent.

     

    Edit: and if you think that nothing could possibly change over the past 6 years then I will refer you back to GRRM's original 1993 outline for the books....... it has changed so much it would be impossible for anyone except him to keep up with it.

  5. 1 hour ago, Lion of the West said:

    I imagine it was so that he could get close to Danaerys, come into her confidence but still not be a raging Mother of Dragons!!!-fanatic, and so drive that dagger into her heart. And also to make their relations and Jon's murder of Danaerys more impactful than if someone who was more distanced from her did it.

    yes but that means that the Song of Ice and Fire, the Prince that was Promised is only around to help Dany's story make sense?

    That's what I'm getting at, what a poor state of events for the Jon Snow character.

    I'm sorry D&D did this to you Jon and Dany.

  6. Lol to Sansa telling Edmure to sit down. I still dont understand why Sansa gets a higher voice or more power than anyone else sitting in that council. Like why is everyone listening to her?

     

    And Lol to Bran playing the long-con, the very long-con to make himself King.  He knew what Dany would do the whole time apparently and let it happen so that he could be king? So how is he any better than Show-Dany? WTF is wrong with these people?

    And someone please give me ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY reason that Jon was brought back from the dead or RLJ? give me any fucking reason!!!!!

  7. 16 minutes ago, Dragons Are Real said:

    I don't even care who "wins" at this point.  The show has made it clear that nothing matters, none of what we watched meant a thing, and nobody is good, decent, growing or real.  And the bottom line is, everybody loses.  Including us.  In fact, mostly us.  We're losers.  We suck.  And the Ds are holding up their middle fingers screaming, "FUCK YOU LOSERS!  FUCK YOU YOU STUPID FUCKS!" and laughing their asses off.

     

    Love your thoughts here. This post says it all. I disagree that Dany will go mad in the books, but agree on everything else.

    And the snippet above is what I would also like to say to HBO and D&D. They shouldnt have done this. They are not artists. They are hacks.

    Fuck them both, and if Disney doesn't pull Star Wars from them then I expect they will single-handedly destroy my 2 favorite fantasy tales ever. so Fuck them.

  8. 50 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

    Think of a different story... where Dany is this exotic, interesting, cool person who arrives and has all her life just wanted to be queen for all the right reasons.

    And she arrives and instead of everyone bizarrely hating her guts out of the blue... they were like wow, let's get to know her! Maybe she'll give us a ride on her dragon!

    Dude for reals!!!

    If Jon had just actually loved her like he said he did. If Sansa and Arya had been nice to her. If Tyrion hadn't filled her head with 100 bad ideas in a row. If the Winterfell A Team had planned going to KL a little better (and idk, maybe remembered that Euron's fleet was in the Blackwater?) then everything would be fine now. D&D are making Dany take the fall for everything they fucked up over the last few years. so FUCK THEM

  9. Can anyone give a reason why Jon keeps saying he loves Dany but then broke up with her minutes before the big invasion?

    Did he think that would help anyone?

    Could he have be more useless in this series?

    How did D&D manage to completely destroy the 2 lead roles so quickly? It took like 2 decades to build them up and D&D brought them all the way down in 2 weeks? I wish I had never watched this show.

  10. 1 minute ago, Queen‍‍‍‍‍‍ Alysanne‍‍™ said:

    D and D said that apparently, she took it as "personal" which I am still trying to understand.

    I thought the "Mad Queen" storyline was silly but even that would have made more sense (Which shows how bad the writing is atm)

    What would be her ‘personal’ reason for completely destroying her families entire city/castle? I mean it just made no sense. Wtf

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