Suzanna Stormborn

Yes I am wondering what varys/FAegon will want to do with Cersei, because although she has been an absolute terrible shit to everyone in Westeros, what has she really done to the Targaryens? Why would FAegon/Aegon want to harm her? It would not be good diplomacy for those he means to rule. On the other hand, if he just lets her live and sends her back to Casterly Rock, she will almost certainly cause a lot more problems. I think if anything they will execute Tommen immediately and make Cersei watch. Maybe after that she will decide to go to Dorne and be with her daughter. Haha that would be a fun scene, Cersei in Dorne chillin with the sand snakes......

very good point. Someone will have to find out eventually that he has the Greyscale. i'm wondering if Aegon is fake does he know it? If he is fake then Jon Con and the Septa/ashara dayne knows it too cuz she is his mother probably. I am really wondering if the Dornish will be fooled by the fake Aegon, or if they will hold out for Dany? Also the guys that came to Mereen with Quentyn are already headed back to westeros right? so Doran martell will have to find out sooner rather than later what happened to his oldest son. And if the guys tell him the exact story as it happened in the dragon cave then maybe he won't blame Dany. i mean it's not her fault he died. and it's not her fault he got there too late to marry her.

I sort of think it will be like a dog whistle, only in the sense that the dragon will come right to it. but no way will the dragon just show submission immediately, I mean they're dragons. But I do think there is something to the Euron/Vic arrangement. Either Euron thinks the Dragon will just kill Vic, but that is a big waste, or he thinks that Vic will get control of a dragon and what just fly back to the iron islands and just hand it over to Euron. That doesn't make sense either, I know they are brothers and Euron thinks Vic is weak, but how weak will Vic be when he flies up on a dragon with all the hatred he has for Euron built up from their whole lives?? It just doesn't make much sense. i can't remember off hand, where did Vic pick up Morroquo? is he Euron's man.....no that doesn't seem right, ugh i have to read the books 3-5 for a 4th time so I can remember everything!

I am tending to agree with this, i think Rhaegal and viserion will have a few riders each. And I think Victarion will blow the horn and get Rhaegal and BBP will ride viserion, but I think he will have Dany's back, I don't think they will go rogue or anything. I am still very curious as to what affect blowing the horn will have on the dragons demeanor. Will it just tame him immediately into calm submission? that doesn't seen likely right?

oh so you think Viserion is already being warged by BR? and that is why he will be controllable for someone like BBP to ride him?

After reading some of ASOS when Brown Ben Plumm is first helping Dany break into Mereen and Viserion jumps on him and likes him in her Pavilion, then how in DwD BBP is with Tyrion and trying to decide how to defect back to Dany's team, and in the new sample Tyrion Chapter, BBP is still wanting to go back to Dany. BBP tells Dany in ASOS that he has some targaryen blood in his family from way back. I sort of feel like the way he will get back in her good graces will be to somehow find Viserion and mount him and fly him into this battle supporting Dany. It not like the Dragons are the things in Avatar where they can 'only have 1 rider in the whole life'. So who is to say only 1 person will ride each dragon? And a little bit of targaryen blood is all someone needs to ride a dragon right? I just fee like why would GRRM have put all that stuff in about BBP bonding with Viserion if nothing was going to come of it?? I feel like I am right about this. When i first thought of it, I couldn't wait to get on and see what everyone else thinks??? :dunno:

again, more krakens !! Thanks for sharing :laugh: tze, on 17 February 2013 - 02:30 PM, said: Oooh, shiny. Who wants to bet that Victarion ends up blowing the dragon horn (or having it blown) during the battle, Barristan's forces hear it and assume it's the Red Lamb's call to retreat/advance, and Victarion accidentally ends up screwing up Barristan's battle plans? Oh.My.God :bowdown: I was thinking the same thing when i was reading. that would be crazy. but i sort of feel like he will blow the dragon horn after the battle, when dany refuses to go with him.

OHHHH ok. yeah that's really interesting. It's like there are some rituals/spells that no one can see if they weren't directly involved. COOL!

What do you mean the POV left Victarion and Dany in the tent with MMD?

Winteriscome, thank you so much for sharing this, it's the most detail I've seen from the second barristan chapter!!!! awesome! :bowdown: Tumco draws Barristan’s attention to the bay, asking “Why are there so many ships?” Barristan remembers that yesterday there were twenty, but now there are thrice that many. His heart sinks when he reasons that the ships from Volantis must have arrived, but then sees that some of the ships are crashing together. What is this quote about? why would the ironnborn ships be crashing together? have they lost control?

the only thing he does that I think is dumb, is how he thinks of Euron. In my mind he should either follow Euron's orders even though that has not gotten him anything good in the past, or he should revolt against Euron. But instead he does a little of both, much like Freddo Corleone who stays with Michael and his family but still does wrong by them and almost gets Michael and His wife shot to pieces in their lovely home in the Sierra nevada mountains. Victarion is sent to bring back a dragon queen for Euron, but instead he decides half way there to take the bride for himself because of the past between him, his dead wife and Euron.. TO me that shows that he is Lost and doesn't really know what his purpose is in slaver's bay. And if he is trying to win Dany over to his side, does he think she will come willingly after he blows his horn? maybe he thinks it will tame the dragons and she will go wherever her Dragons go. No matter what reason he thinks he is there for, he is stupid, because Dany is not the kind of woman some pirate just takes with him. She is not going to go willingly and she is definitely not going to take kindly to someone trying to steal her dragons. Best case scenario he is able to sneak in and steal Dany somehow and blows the horn and is able to control the dragons......then what?? Does he plan to just take them back and hand them to Euron? Since he has done everything else Euron has requested why wouldnt he carry out the whole plan and take her and the dragons back to Euron? But from his POV we learn that he wants it all for himself and that is what is dumb! He is becoming greedy and feeling like he has not been given his due, (another Parallel to Freddo) but history shows that it does not end well for a greedy little brother who is not only going against his family and his brother who is now the King of the Iron islands, but he is going against what he knows is right. All in all his trip to capture dany is going to serve nothing except to make her even more wary of westeros and the ppl who live there and possibly to give someone in Slaver's Bay a lot of ships.

I don't thin kthere will be anymore Un-characters, beric and Cat are going to diminish soon anyway, the uncharacters seem to be rather weak in their hearts and will turn into terrible zombie's soon, Beric says he never eats and can't remember anything anymore. it's not a very good option no matter how you look at it. I think Uncat is the alst one, Jon snow is NOT going to be an UN character I know it I know it!!!

OMG you are so right! He is gonna have a shit-fit when he finds out how Quentyn died. But in the end what will getting extremely upset do? I mean the Elia/Rhaegar relationship is all that Dorne has to hold on to. and now that I think about it. Aegon can't be marrying Arianne, they are too closely related right. Elia is Ariannes aunt, so Aegon is her first cousin. That's too close, right, don't the Lords frown upon marrying cousins? Ugh someone make this book come out now! I can't wait 4 more years!

Yes Doran Martell is absolutely trying to set up his daughter Arianne with aegon, if he proves to be real. OMG won't Dorne look so stupid if the betroth Arianne and Aegon then he turns out to be fake!

Yes Victarion is an evil bad ass, he got across the storm littered sea with most of his ships and the horn and he is coming in hard to the battle of Slaver's Bay, which he will most likely not survive due to all the 'death' foreshadowing from Dany. if I had to guess, he is going to get the 'grey death' and turn to stone eventually, because of the 'grey lips smiling' comment. If he is 'dumb' about anything it is how he lets Euron play him like a fiddle.

Does no one else think that a real Kraken may come into play at some point? like one as big as the one in Pirates 2. There have been mentions of them a few times, even in the new Arianne Chapter. i feel like a real Kraken is going to take down some or one of the iron born ships, maybe the horn will attract it as well as whatever it will do to the dragons. i mean the starks have their wolves, the targaryens have their dragons, why shouldnt the ironborn be set upon by a giant f%$king Squid?!

I think Dany will die. as much as i hate that, I feel like she has to in the end :(

Yes I think the faith Militant are going to do a Spanish Inquisition style clean out of KL. It is going to be crazy, they already have their little army of the faith including Lancel Lannister. History shows again and again that people on a religious rampage are extremely serious and not forgiving at all. They kill and kill without question, look at the Salem Witch Trials. KL is going to have a theological war inside the walls. i suppose Varys will be trying to supplant Aegon in the lannister seats of power, which he has basically done already, I mean there is no one left, only tommen and cersei, and what power do they have anymore? cersei only has Qyburn and UnGregor. They are going to have to flee for their lives. that is her only choice to save her sons life. She is going to flee northwest to casterly Rock or possibly she will try to find Jaime thinking he still loves her. when she does find him he is going to kill her, he might even kill tommen too.

After reading through this entire forum, it seems like most people are giving Pod a lot more credit than I ever did while reading the books. But after digesting it all I sort of think that Pod could actually be the real Aegon. Only if Aegon is actually a fake, which I am still not convinced of. There is no way Jaime or Brienne is going to die in WOW, maybe they will both die in ADOS but there has been soooo much build up for them it just seems unlikely, plus Martin hasn't killed off anyone who holds the POV except Ned Stark in Book 1, and Cat, but she is still around, so that doesn't really count. why would he start with Brienne and Jaime? Jaime has totally come around from the most hated character to someone we actually root for, and now he is clearly in love with this ugly monster of a woman which makes him even more enduring. And jaime is absolutely the person who is going to kill Cersei. They have to die on the same day as they were born on the same day. If I had to pick who would die in the intertwined group of ppl it is Sansa and Littefinger. i think brienne somehow got the info the Sansa is in the Vale and her and Jaime are headed there now, maybe the BWB is going to be headed there as well and there will be a showdown of some sort. What I really want to know is what are UnCat's motives at this point? Is she still intent on seeking her children or has she adopted the BWB intentions to bring justice to all wrong doers? trial by combat is definitely still an option that UnCat has to respect and let happen if it is wanted. what else would all Jaime's training with Ilyn be for? He is going to demand trail by combat and they will let him because he seems weak with one hand, and he will beat whoever it is.

I think this may be a literal reference, supposedly there are actual krakens pulling ships under. maybe one is going to break Vic's ship and drown him. in the new Arianne chapter there is a mention of kraken's pulling ships under. it would be poetic justice if the ironborn were set upon by some sea monsters.