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Lost Melnibonean

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  1. The quotes were from the same chapter, scene, and dialogue.
  2. From The Ned about Needle... Also from The Ned about Needle...
  3. But then The George changed his mind, and it was Braavos.
  4. Some of the foreshadowing in the early Game chapters really comes into view when you consider the original outline The George had sent to his publishers as he began work on the saga. In the beginning of the first Eddard chapter, Robert wears a hood that covers his ears, and as the two ride hard together, The Ned calls out a question, but Robert fails to hear. At the end of the chapter, The Ned tells Robert how he found the Kingslayer sitting the Irone Throne, keeping it warm for their friend Robert. In the original outline Jaime was set to succeed Joffrey by murdering him and blaming it on Tyrion.
  5. Would provide context for this comment by Jon to Arya in the next early chapter of Game...
  6. I wonder if this was a foreshadowing of the original subplot to have Tyrion banished to the Wall for murdering Joffrey and falling for Arya?
  7. A myrmidon is a follower or subordinate of a powerful person, typically one who is unscrupulous or carries out orders unquestioningly. Ayrmidon is the author of Engines of War, a Valyrian scroll.
  8. Wow, I never noticed that The Ned looms over Bran like a giant in Game, Bran I.
  9. I did not originate that theory. I just helped to develop it. This one is all mine, though...
  10. Flames burn green and blue and black, I know, I know, oh, oh, oh. Aegon is the green, Jon is the Blue, and Daenerys is the green. When the colors are red, green, and blue, Daenerys is the red.
  11. Daenerys (and Jon) descends from the Dragonknight. Aegon descends from the Unworthy. In Samwell I, Feast 5, we learned that Daeron II was rumored to have been fathered by Aemon Targaryen of the Kingsguard called the Dragonknight, and not by Aegon IV the Unworthy. And we recalled that even Maester Aemon leant credibility to the rumor when he told Jon Snow of his own heritage way back in Game. Sansa had told us back in Storm that Naerys was Aegon's sister and queen, and that he never harmed her, perhaps out of fear for their brother the Dragonknight. And the very attentive reader would have recalled way back in Game, when Sansa was about to go riding with Joffrey near the Trident, she told us that Prince Aemon the Dragonknight championed Queen Naerys's honor against evil Ser Morgil's slanders. A little later, when the Ned told Sansa that her engagement with Joffrey would soon be over, she suggested that Queen Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. In Clash, she suggested that Prince Aemon the Dragonknight cried the day Princess Naerys wed his brother Aegon. A song was sung about the romance during the Battle of the Blackwater. As Meera was telling Bran about the Tourney at Harrenhal, Bran was telling us that the Dragonknight once won a tourney as the Knight of Tears, so he could name his sister the queen of love and beauty in place of the king's mistress. A few chapters later in Feast, Arys Oakheart suggested that the tale of Prince Aemon's treason with Queen Naerys was only that, a tale, a lie his brother told when he wished to set his trueborn son aside in favor of his bastard. However, it was clear that Arys was fighting his lust for Arianne, and losing miserably, so his denial lacked at least some credibility. In story, the rumor was originally intended to cast doubt on Daeron's legitimacy, but by that point it was really just sour grapes. The more important point is what the George is communicating to the reader, that Daenerys and Jon are descendants of the Dragonknight while Aegon is a descendant of the Unworthy. This will probably have no real bearing in story, but some wise sage might make note of it. It's a nonfactor for the characters. But there is a reason The George hinted at it at least nine times in the novels. There is no doubt that Daemon Blackfyre was the natural son of Aegon called the Unworthy, and the author justifies that title for the characters and the readers. Meanwhile, Daeron Targaryen is rumored to have been fathered by Aemon called the Dragonknight. As opposed to the Unworthy, the Dragonknight is portrayed by the author and the characters as the paragon of nobility.For the characters in the story, whether Daeron was truly the son of the Dragonknight is not relevant. For the reader, though, that the author has hinted that Daeron was truly the son of the Dragonknight is highly relevant.
  12. Jeyne won't make it to the Wall... Arya I, Game 7 Poor Jeyne Poole...
  13. IIRC, we know that the tapestries show hunting scenes. Some have speculated that the tapestries depict Baratheons.
  14. The main reason for the Quentyn subplot could be to give Dorne a reason not only to favor Aegon, but also to resent Daenerys in the upcoming dance. Weren't Gerris and Archibald freed? Shouldn't we expect them to return home to share their side of the story with Dorne?
  15. A "thee-mooth" is also known as a "YMBQ". It is known.
  16. Robb had to cross at the Twins because Tywin held the Ruby Ford and was marching north.
  17. As far as celestial sphere is concerned, I think we can assume that it mirrors our own, but with a few differences... Jon IV, Storm 30 The colors are just a description of the sunrise and a reminder that we are in autumn. The more interesting thing here is the Sword of the Morning constellation on the southern horizon, as seen north of the Wall. Forget for the moment that a 700-foot wall of ice should have blotted out the southern horizon from the view of a man (even if he is the special snowflake) standing on the ground just north of the Wall. Rather, concentrate on the shape of the constellation and the bright white star in its hilt blazing like a diamond in the dawn. It should be a cross with a very bright star at one end. Well, that is Crux, also known as the Southern Cross. The Southern Cross, of course, is a small, cross-shaped constellation, with a first-magnitude star (the brightest stars in the night sky), at its bottom end, called Alpha Crucis, also known as Acrux. The analogy is not perfect though. Acrux is at the end that would be the point of the sword, and in any event, it is a blue star. Gamma Crucis, also known as Gacrux is the star that would be the sword’s hilt, and Gacrux is red. The other problem is that the Southern Cross is not observable from north of the 26th parallel (South Florida). That an ASOIAF constellation resembles one of our own should not be surprising since several celestial bodies described in ASOIAF mirror our own. The George had just given us a little more astronomy in Jon’s preceding chapter in Storm. . . Jon III, Storm 26 The twelve houses of heaven correspond to the zodiac; the seven wanders correspond to the classical planets of antiquity (i.e., the Sun and Moon and the five planets visible to the naked eye, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn), and the red wanderer corresponds to Mars. The Moonmaid most likely corresponds to Virgo since there is a whole bunch of astrology mumbo jumbo about when Mars is in Virgo. The first mention of an “ice dragon” follows Bran’s realization that the old powers are real. He then asks Osha how to go north, and what he might find. Osha tells him to look for the Ice Dragon, and to chase the blue star in the rider's eye. (It should be noted that after this mention as the blue star in the rider’s eye, it is afterward referred to as the blue star in the dragon’s eye. Since Jon tells us later that the Wildings’s nomenclature for celestial bodies is slightly different than the nomenclature used south of the Wall, this is not necessarily an inconsistency.) Thus, we learn that the Ice Dragon is a constellation, and that the blue star in the dragon’s eye is a pole star. Currently (more on that in a moment), the north pole star in our sky is Polaris in the constellation Ursa Minor, also known as the Little Dipper. Thus, it appears that the star in the dragon’s eye that points north corresponds to Polaris. But there are differences here too. Polaris is more white than blue, and Ursa Minor is a little bear, not a dragon. However, Ursa Minor is bordered by Draco, which is a dragon, in the north sky, and one of the stars in Draco is Thuban, which is more blue than white. Now, here’s where it gets interesting (whether the George intended it or not): The Southern Cross was visible from the British Isles, Canada, Alaska, and Russia 10,000 years ago, and it will be visible from those regions again after another 15,000 years. This is due to the motion of the Earth called axial precession. This is the motion you see in a wobbling top as it starts to slow. The Earth’s axial precession takes about 26,000 years to complete. Due to this axial precession, the north star 6,000 years ago was Thuban, a blue star in Draco! And while you might not have been able to see Acrux from Scotland 6,000 years ago, you would have been able to see it from England.
  18. I believe the dude that posted it originally was active on some other forum and only came here occasionally. Like so many of us he's probably gotten bored with waiting.
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