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  1. I've always thought that he hated the Starks because he couldn't admit, even to himself, that he was scared of Tywin. The Starks taking Theon gave him a scapegoat to focus on. I mean, by all rights, he could've attacked everybody but instead he focused on the North while politely trying to negotiate with the Lannisters. Negotiation isn't really an Iron Born thing is it? I don't blame him either. Given the choice between going against an unproven teenage boy or one of the most celebrated commanders in Westerns, who is famed for his brutal punishments, I'd attack Robb too. I mean, Balon had to know that if he attacked the Lannisters and lost once again House Greyjoy would be extinguished. Tywin was in full control of the realm this time after all. Robb, on the other hand, provided a much much safer target. He didn't even have a navy!
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    The future Lord of the Crossing

    I agree with this. I don't think it will just be Stoneheart that wipes them out though. It'll be a combination of different factors. Some will also be killed in battle, some will be killed by Nymeria's wolf pack and some will kill each other to try and raise their chances of being the next Lord of the Crossing. I don't see any of them outliving Walder. He's spent far too longer bragging about his heirs and flat out taking their lives for granted for his story to end any other way. The Lord of the Crossing will join the Rat Cook as a warning about what happens to people who break Guest Rights.
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    In defense of Lady Lysa Arryn

    Meh. I've got some sympathy for her as a character BUT I disagree with pretty much all your points. She raped Littlefinger. Knowingly too. He was drunk and genuinely believed he was having sex with Cat. He even said Cat's name. He may still believe that it was Cat. Despite that, pretty glaring, sign about where Baelish's heart lay, she continued her obsession with him and let him manipulate her throughout her life. You can say that staying out of the war was a smart decision - it was - but it also wasn't Lysa's, she just did what Littlefinger told her to. She caused the war too - again by following Littlefinger's orders - which directly led to the deaths of her sister's family and the ruin of her own House. She never cared at all. She shows not even one sign of regret over any of it. While what Hoster did was horrific, it does not excuse what Lysa became.
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    Is Dany going to sack more cities?

    Yes. Everything about Dany changes from GoT. At the point you're quoting from she'd spent her whole life living in fear, running from place to place and constantly being let down by people simply because they got bored of her. Her only true companion was her abusive, insane brother. It would be surprising if she wasn't suspicious of Illyrio, or anyone who showed her kindness. By Clash, she's a Queen and a Khaleesi. She's been in love, watched her brother die and killed her husband. She's become a leader of people, hatched dragons and survived the Red Waste and the House of the Undying. I'm not sure what you mean by the your last part. I've never suggest that she would just do anything Illyrio tells her to. In fact most of the quotes I posted are from a conversation where she specifically goes against Illyrio's wishes. What I am saying is that, when Tyrion tells her EXACTLY what Illyrio's plans for her were, she is going to be beyond furious. She might not trust Illyrio blindly but there's no way that she even suspects the true depths of his betrayal. If she did he'd already be on fire by now. I mean, holy crap, the guy convinced her brother to sell her, like cattle, to try and win a Throne while actively plotting against him. He arranged the marriage to Drogo, fully believing that Dany would die horribly, just to provide a DISTRACTION. He let her and her brother go hungry and beggar themselves across Essos while giving Aegon everything he could ever need. I'm not even sure that even we know how much Illyrio and Varys been manipulating Dany. Were the non-existent "Usurpers Knives" merely Viserys paranoia or was Illyrio using his influence to give the Targaryens just enough food and shelter to survive, while preventing them from ever setting down roots. After all, the last thing they wanted was for Viserys to make friends, meet a girl and decide to settle down and be a fisherman or whatever.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    I disagree. If anything you've got it backwards. He came North to protect the Realm. The Northern Houses supporting him is a by product of that. After all, all but one of the Northern Houses originally rebuffed him and he continued to fight I think his priorities are made clear when he says this to Jon. Also, as irritated as he's been with the Night's Watch's procedures and traditions, he has allowed them to carry them out, when he could simply have seized control. He might not respect those traditions but that does not mean he doesn't respect the institution and the men that are there. He also moans that Robert didn't "at the very least" send Jaime to the Wall for killing Aerys which suggests he does see it as an appropriate form of punishment. I don't know about that. It's possible that Myrcella could be a problem but, by joining the Night's Watch, Tommen is renouncing all his claims and swearing to never have children. If he escapes, and not released from his vows as Stannis and Robb intended for Jon, then he's an oathbreaker whose life is forfeit. The kids he swore never to have can't turn up and demand the birthright that he's already forfeited. It would be like Benjen Stark declaring himself Lord of Winterfell.
  6. To paraphrase one of my people's most celebrated philosophers: Did they, aye? Scotland was never "brought to heel" in the manner you're suggesting. Our King inherited the English throne, creating a demand for a political Union, which our nobility eventually agreed to. They'd just flushed our economy down the toilet and thought (rightly) that they'd profit greatly from a Union with England. A partnership, entered willingly, isn't really being "brought to heel" is it? We're basically Dorne. We've even retained our own laws. I don't know if that's fair. The Iron Born essentially abandoned the North when the Kingsmoot was called. Deepwood Motte was held by Asha and her men, who had fled from Euron's rule, and Moat Cailin was held by a skeleton garrison. Even then, despite the limited numbers, lack of supplies and sickness caused from poison, they were still able to hold off three Northern attacks before Ramsay sent Theon in to negotiate a surrender. If they could hold out with so little men then you've got to think that a full garrison, who were well supplied, could've held out for much much longer.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    There is this from Davos IV in Storm. It definitely reads like he's planning to have them killed. Saying (once) isn't doing, of course. And there is a huge difference between the "abominations" whose existence mocks his brother, and who have effectively usurped Stannis' Throne, and the trueborn baby of a Lord he merely dislikes. It is a valid point even if I still don't believe he'd kill Walda and her child.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    You said that Stannis was going to burn Edric JUST because Melisandre asked him to. That is blatantly false. There was a ton of factors going on at that time. The most important of which, as I and others have said numerous times, is because it seemed like the only possible way to save the realm. You may ignore that if you choose. No I didn't. Hell, I'll just copy and paste what I just wrote "I used examples of Stannis' extreme views on justice as evidence that he wouldn't murder a baby that is innocent of any crime. Has Randyll ever mutilated a man who saved his life? Would Randyll ever Knight someone as lowborn as a smuggler? Or spare someone like Asha Greyjoy? Christ, Randyll threatened to kill his son because he was fat and liked to read, while Stannis fully intends for Shireen to take the Throne after him." You said "every noble" punishes criminals. Tywin is a noble and yet he chose not to punish criminals who were useful to him. I very much doubt he is alone there. We know, for example, that Stannis wanted Janos Slynt punished for his corruption but Robert merely laughed it off. Hell even Jeor Mormont let the Night's Watch away with a little oathbreaking in Moles Town. I really can't see Stannis doing that. Are you seriously going to edit out my entire point except for two words and then pretend you're responding to it? Really? Stannis demanded fealty from the North and was rebuffed by almost all of them yet he's fighting their battles anyway. The Northerners who are with him are there because he asked them to help him against *their* enemies, not because he demanded it, and there are at least two Houses who have sworn fealty to him without his knowledge. He isn't fighting the Iron Born or the Boltons to win the support of the North. They are supporting him because he's fighting the Iron Born and the Boltons. This is completely against your argument that he needs to kill kids to win the North to his cause. As I said previously, if he defeats their enemies they aren't going to go "Not enough. Kill the kids too!" Perhaps. Not by Stannis' hand though. There is nothing in his character to suggest that he'd murder an innocent child solely for the crimes of it's father. Nothing at all.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Not the point. There is no evidence that Stannis is afraid of anyone's unborn children. If there was then why hasn't he wiped out the Houses of anyone he's ever crossed? You know, in case their children come for revenge? Well that's just blatantly false. Melisandre and Selyse were begging him burn Edric for ages and he rebuffed them every single time. It was, as I've said, only when all hope looked lost and it appeared to be the only way to save the Realm that he even considered it. At which point Davos removed the option before Stannis could even make the decision. This was blatant treason on Davos part, yet Stannis hasn't punished him for it. Because he realises that it was the right thing to do. It's an entirely different scenario to what you're proposing - That he's a coward and monster who'll kill infants for no real benefit - You may ignore that as much as you like. Actually I didn't and I'd thank you not to twist my words. Thanks. I used examples of Stannis' extreme views on justice as evidence that he wouldn't murder a baby that is innocent of any crime. Has Randyll ever mutilated a man who saved his life? Would Randyll ever Knight someone as lowborn as a smuggler? Or spare someone like Asha Greyjoy? Christ, Randyll disinherited his son because he was fat and liked to read, while Stannis fully intends for Shireen to take the Throne after him. Your point about every noble punishing criminals in their realm is irrelevant as well. The point is that Stannis has gelded his own men at a time of war. Those men have given up everything to fight for his cause and he had them gelded for crimes against the enemy. Because it was the right thing to do. That is not something that every Noble does. Case in point, Tywin Lannister. He knew full well what the Mountain did and, yet, I seem to have missed any reference to him being gelded? In fact he kept him (and the Brave Companions) around specifically to rape and murder innocent people when required. Is he? So far as I've seen all the Northern Houses have sworn themselves to him willingly. He hasn't said "I'll get rid of the Boltons and the Iron Born if you swear fealty to me". He's said "I'll get rid of the Boltons. Will you help me?" He certainly returned Deepwood Motte without any promises of fealty from it's Lord because no one knows where Galbert is. For absolutely no reason. As @The Weirwoods Eyes said in her excellent post earlier. Exterminating an entire House, children and all, is something that rarely happens in Westeros. In fact I can only think of two times that it's happened in recent memory - Tywin wiping out the Reynes and Tarbecks and Aerys exterminating almost all of House Hollard. I think we can all agree that Stannis isn't the Mad King.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Is anyone suggesting that he is? Stannis not being a boy scout doesn't make him a monster and he has shown numerous times that he will not compromise his values to please others, which is essentially what you are arguing.
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    Is Dany going to sack more cities?

    Clash - Daenerys III Storm - Daenerys I Dance - Daenerys IX
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Is there any indication in the series that Stannis is the type of guy to be scared of an infant? And Stannis absolutely did change his mind. He was originally completely against the idea. It was only when he was at his absolute lowest point, when it seemed like the only option left to him that he began to consider it. That hardly means that he'll execute any kid, out of hand, just because someone asks him to. Randyll isn't Stannis. Case in point. Randyll is disgusted with Brienne, who is innocent. Stannis, meanwhile, continues to protect Asha, despite her being an enemy combatant, and despite pressure from his men to execute her. Actually here's a better example - Randyll quickly attacked House Florent when they jumped to Stannis after Renly's death. Stannis, on the other hand, refused to attack Claw Isle when Lord Celtigar bent the knee to Joffrey, because he considered it "evil". In fact it was Davos objection to that plan that convinced Stannis to make him Hand of the King. Again, despite the pressure from pretty much everyone else. Even Davos himself objected to that decision. Stannis does what Stannis does though. Murdering women and children isn't vengeance. The Northmen aren't fighting for Stannis' cause either. He's fighting for theirs. He and his men gave up their lands in the South to protect the Wall. He restored the Glovers to Deepwood Motte, despite pressure from his own men, and is now fighting to free Winterfell from the Boltons. If he manages to defeat the Boltons and restore the Starks, do you seriously think the Northerners are going to go "Not enough. Kill the kids too!"? As for why he'd want to murder Robb's relatives. He wouldn't. That's my point. He's not the kind of guy to punish innocent people for the crimes of others, which is what are you are suggesting. He considered Robb a traitor but he's fighting for his people, because it's the right thing to do. He's not going to murder a baby just because of who it's father is.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Nope. The man who briefly considered sacrificing his nephew, after much protest, and when it appeared to be his only hope to save the realm would absolutely have a problem with killing children just for the sake of it. The guy gelds his own men for rape and even mutilated the man who saved his life for his prior crimes. That's not a man who is going to execute innocent kids just because someone asked him to. Aside from that Robb was just as much a traitor to Stannis as Roose is. Do you think he's going to wipe out the Starks too? Or do you seriously imagine that Stannis Barathon is going to commit an atrocity so the Northerners will like him? That's what I'm saying. If the Northerners had the attitude that "All Traitors must be killed. Including the innocent children" then House Bolton wouldn't have been around even for Aegon's Landing. Is it even really that common in Westeros anyway? I'd imagine it isn't or Tywin doing it to the Reynes and the Tarbecks wouldn't have been such a big deal.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    What? Are you suggesting that Stannis - the guy who has a ridiculous sense of justice - would execute children? Including a new born baby? That's not my read on the character in the slightest. Again I don't see the Northerners openly calling for the execution of an innocent child. Frankly, if they had that sort of attitude then House Bolton would've been extinct centuries before.
  15. Someone having the opportunity to do something isn't evidence that they did it. Ned and Robert had plenty of opportunity to become lovers. Doesn't mean that they did. We're privy to Ned (and Cat's) actual thoughts. If any of your scenarios happened then why did no one think about it? I'd also say being a Knight would be totally out of character for Ned. He's a down to earth guy who, despite his titles, doesn't feel like he's better than anyone. He does his duty when it's thrust upon him he never actively seeks it out. We know that he was very reluctant to become Hand of the King, a far bigger honour, and only accepted at Cat's insistence, so why would he want to be a Knight? Scenario 2 is totally out of character for Cat as well. She thinks about her first time with Ned during the series. There was no fantasy about marrying a brave, handsome knight. She married who her father told her to without question or protest. She isn't Sansa.
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