The Scabbard Of the Morning

I have to think the D&D in their genius reversed the order, that in the books Jon is AA, Dany is Nissa Nissa, and that somehow her death is a sacrifice that provided for the means to defeat the Others. That would fit the bittersweet ending, what we got in the show was all bitter and no sweet.

I think fundamentally D&D neither understood/agreed with the themes of hte books, nor were talented enough writers to come up with a quality alternative, nor had the humility to recognize this fact and brought in other able writers to help them. That's a perfect storm of qualities for failure.

Lost lost the plot, but the characters remained mostly consistent, the Lost ending was disappointing for not resolving enough mysteries, but it was emotionally satisfying for the characters. GOT is much worse in that the mysteries weren’t answered either, and the characters were bizarre and none of them had satisfying resolutions to their arc. It’s goes way beyond disappointing, it’s a complete abomination.

No interest, with how anticlimactic the Others plot is resolved on the show why would I give a flying $&#% about the origin of this farce of a paper tiger. I cant take them or the Long Night seriously after that.

I love Bran in the books. I’ve reread his chapters probably more than any other POV. But I hate this ending, nothing about shownBran makes him worthy of even being considered, much less actually being King. Doesn’t he “mostly lives in the past”, how does that make him a good king, he’s basically watching TV all day.

Talisa was easily the worst part of Season 2. I think part of the reason GRRM stopped was because they were ignoring his input. Sure he stopped to "focus on the books", but if he really enjoyed the experience he would have found a way to keep doing it. He stopped because he didn't enjoy it AND he had an easy out in "focusing on the writing TWOW".

It's now over 50k, FWIW.

I didn't fall in love with it for being anti-Trope, I fell in love with it because it told a great story, and since season 5 it;s been an awful nonsensical story and I fell out of love with it. Trope, anti-trope, are complete nonsense. It's like trying to be all black and white, a good story should be grey and have elements of both. Sometimes tropes exist for a reason, and sometimes you need to go against the grain. A good storyteller weave both into his story as they are needed.

Exactly, have KL ring the bells to celebrate killing a dragon, then the bells setting Dany off would be so much easier to understand. This is not hard stuff.

I would sign this iif they made it season 5-8.

The thing is, they could have tweaks a few things and made it work much better. Don't have Rhaegal die in that stupid way in E4, have Rhaegal die in E5 during the siege on KL, maybe even have the Lannister troops (and some KL smallfolk) cheer at Rhaegal death, have this set Dany off in a fit of rage that she unleashes Drogon full fury on KL. Now you solved a bunch of problems, Rhaegal death is not so anticlimactic, you don't have memes about Ballista Stinger Missiles that work in one eposide and completely useless in another, you still have a dragon death, you show the emotional side of Dany and how attached she is to her dragons (she considers them her children), and you provide a plausible scenario under which she would unleash her fury on the entire city. That's all a good writer needed to do, just a little bit of thought and you can get to the same place without being completely idiotic. That's why I can't buy the D&D ran out of the books to adopt and that's why the show sucks argument, because just even a modicum of effort given to the storytelling aspect could have resulted in a coherent story with the same bullet points. No, without GRRM there would have been a drop in quality, but it didn't need to drop that far, it could have still been a show that was great in the early seasons and just good in the later ones, the fact that the latter seasons are a complete dumpster fire, that's on D&D.

This reminds me of that Stannis sudden180 turn into a villian in season 5.

It's gotta be in the books Jon Connington goes mad after the bells and burns KL while helping Aegon to takedown Cersei, right?

I think if GOT the TV show crashes and burns, it might be the one thing that motivates GRRM to not want the only ending of his saga to be the TV show. That's my silver lining.

I actually don't have a problem with the Olly character conceptually. Orphan whose parents were killed by wildings joins the NW and hates wildlings, could have been an interesting story. The execution by D&D however, was so hamfisted and atrocious. And that's what's really been the problem with the show, since GRRM only shared with them the ending as concepts, and D&D are forced to actually execute by bringing those concepts to screen, they are utterly incapable of doing it well.