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  1. Wolfbynature

    A Bittersweet ending?

    Bittersweet? Bitter! The Dragons are dead. No magic anymore anywhere. The Children of the forest have vanished, also have the giants, Direwolfes, Mammoth... A lot of our beloved heroes are dead. Jon Snow in not King. Sweet! The White Walkers are dead too. At last there is peace. Winter is over. The Starks rule the North again. Jon Snow finds a love in Val. New powers are rising.
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    What made Ser Gerold Stay?

    To me it is very obvious what happened. G.R.R.M. gives us a hint when he shows us Jamie Lannister´s fate. Vows are there to be broken. And to turn the KG´s loyalty from Aerys to Rhaegar, their vows did´nt needet to be broken, just a little bent. So there was´nt just a secret merriage (R + L) there was a kind of secret "crowning" as well. There was a inner circle that accepted Rhaegar as the new King. Therefore, e.g. Hightower accepted the order of his new King Rhaegar to protect the new royal familiy. Therefore he stayed at the Tower of Joy and did´nt returned to the "dethroned" Aerys II. Even after Rheagars death, because there was an new heir, Lyanna´s child.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    It's actually a very common belief among pre-literate societies that the people a man kills become his slaves in the afterlife. The writings of the Zodiac killer indicate a belief in that as well. But I think Robert is thinking simply in terms of what constitutes a victory vs loss for himself, imagining Rhaegar as having some sort of inverted utility function so that his only goal is to cause harm. Maybe it was´nt so complicated. Robert had certainly not a modern version of a relationship in mind, when it comes to women. Maybe he expressed that Rhaegar was in posession of Lyanna an he was not and never would be. Like someone owns something.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    Would it made any difference for Brandon, if he knew about the romantic feeling of Lyanna towards Rhaegar? 1. Even if he knew, he did´nt knew if she joined Rhaegar voluntarily. Which young girls did´nt fancied Rhaegar at this point? 2. Noble women were´nt asked if they wanted to marry someone or not. A marriage agreement between great houses was no love affair, but a political deal. A daughter of a great house had to obay. It was not neccessary that Lyanna was in love with Robert. And it also was of no importance, if she had a crush on someone else. From the perspective of Brandon and house Stark in general, Rheagar alone was responsible. Therefore Brandon would have gone to KL, even if he knew about a romantic nature of the relationship between Lyanna and Rhaegar.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    This is a profound and moderate statement and I agree to 100% with it. The fog that surrounds the "Tower of Joy" slowly goes away.
  6. But it is not the real world, we are talking about. It is a world inside of George Martin´s brain. Anything is possible there.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    I see what you want to imply. That Eddard and Robert already knew about the true nature of Rheagars and Lyannas relationship. It is not clear if this was the case with Eddard, but I don´t see this with Robert. Because I can explain his behavior otherwise. It wasn´t him that gave the order to kill Elia and her children. After the murder had happened, Robert saw the benefit of this action, fewer Targarian pretenders. And to condemm it would have caused serious troubles with a potential ally in his not yet stabilized rule. It was not the personal relationship with Lyanna, that drove Robert. When it comes to Lyanna, it was the affront against House Baratheon that bothered him. I share the assumption, that a raped Lyanna was kind of spoiled goods for him, so he gave her well-being a lesser priority. That was not the case for Eddard. He felt really bad about the murder. And maybe his worry about the well-being of Lyanna was part of it.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    This is really a good point, that seems to add to the flawed aspects of this story. On the one hand, Robert thought of Lyanna as victim and on the other hand, he was indifferent about her fate. But I suggest, that it was´nt so much Robert´s feelings for Lyanna but the affront against House Baratheon that led to the war. If he did care about Lyannas well-beeing, then this were thoughts he had to deal with before he "crossed the Rubicon" and started the rebellion. After that, the brutality of war and the prospects of power spoiled him to the point, that even the killing of an innocent baby did´nt bother him anymore. Good point. You are right, a person/messanger with enough credibility to convince Ned of his mission and authenticity of his message, would have attracted the attention of Varys and his little birds. But look on the map! There is only one main road from KL southwards. It is very likely that my proposed messenger from Dorne travelled on the same road that Ned and his army used a few day before on their way to Storme´s End. It is unlikely that he did´nt got notice of the big army that came along if he talked to travellers/refugees from KL. I would have asked people if I would have been this messenger. And so, the messenger never reached KL, but took the junction to the Stormlands.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    You mention a lot (millions) of things that could equally be true, but each of your arguments is weak. I´m still waiting for a stronger one. Lets proof it. We do not know, who this "someone" is. But we know when he did it and we know some of his intenstions. He did it after the relieve of the siege of Storm´s End. Because it is likely that Ned would have taken immediate action after getting knowledge about the whereabouts of his sister. And he only took action then. Why do we know something about his intentions? People with knowledge about the Tower of Joy are either dornish, companions of Rheager, members of the royal household or things combined like e.g. Ashara Dayne. I have no reason to assume that Ned have met some of those at Storm´s End. In addition, if someone wanted to share his knowledge, it would have been a lot easier for him to inform either Jon Arryn or Robert, who also would have been very interessted in this subject. They were in KL and not en route like Eddard. That Eddard was the first to arrive at the Tower of Joy, shows that no other was informed, not Jon and not Robert, not Tywin. Which sounds intentional to me. So for me it is no longer "someone", but a person with a mission. Then why was it Eddard that arrived first? After the lifting of the Siege of Storm´s End. There would have been a lot of time for Robert or Jon Arryn to send men. If Rheagar had used his last words to reveal Lyannas wereabouts, then it has been very likely that Robert had knowledge about that. Because he was there, not Eddard. Then it would have been a different party that had reached the tower of Joy, not only men from the north and a lot earlier. But I see no reasons for Rheagar doing that. So everybody could have had known everything. But this does not explain the sequence of events. Everybody would agree that this is a rather weak argument not unlike the thing with the aliens. So why did´nt they told him in KL? They waited till he liftet the siege of Storm´s End? Because I suggest, that Ned would have taken immediate action after getting knowledge about the Tower of Joy. You do not need "million other things could pull this all together", just one good argument to disproof the "Lyanna send her brother a message" theory.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    I agree to 100%. It is also my opinion that Ned would have taken immediate action after getting knowledge about the whereabouts of his sister. If you think it through, then this speaks even more for a message from Lyanna to Ned. Why? After KL, Ned headed south with an army to lift the siege of Storm´s End. I dont see any reasons why someone there could have had knowledge about the Tower of Joy. There were no Dornish in the Army under command of Mace Tyrell. All the dornish men have been at the Trident. If there was someone with knowledge, perhaps Ashara Dayne, then in Kings Landing. If someone had informed Ned there, he would never have gone to Storme´s End. But with Ned on the way to Storme´s End. If anybody wanted to share his knowledge about the Tower of Joy, then Ned was´nt the first choice. The information would have reached Jon Arryn or Robert instead. But it was Ned at the Tower of Joy. Not men commisioned by Jon Arryn or Robert. And if Robert had intructed Ned to do so, then it would have been a different party, not only men from the north. So it is very likely for me that it was Ned and only Ned that was informed about the Tower of Joy. So it was a goal to inform solely him, even if it was difficult. Who should have done that, if not a messanger from Lyanna? Maybe the messanger arrived to late in Kings Landing to meet Ned. Then he followed him to Storme´s End to catch him there. Why was the messanger to late? Only after the Battle of the Tridend the situation became desperate for Lyanna. This desperation was the final reason to message her brother. But it was a long way from the Trident to the Tower of Joy. During the time the outcome of the battle needet to reach Lyanne. Ned was already on his way to KL, accompanied by his army. Then Lyanna needet some time to become clear about her prospects, to organise things, write a letter, find and instruct a messanger. The way to KL took some time as well and when the messanger finally arrived at KL, Ned was no longer there.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    I was´nt precise enough. I mean not only Lyanna but the whole party. Just like Deanarys and Viserys were brought to safety by Ser Willem Darry. Why was she still there when Eddard found her in the Tower of Joy? This is a good clue that really questions my theory. This opens a lot of new questions, let me think about that.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    Oh come on. No more substantial arguments left against the "Lyanna send a message to her brother" theory? I mean something more substantial than claiming that I am wrong. Of course there is no direct proof in the books for a letter/message from Lyanna to Eddard. But the advantage of this theory is, that it only needs a single explanation to join the pieces of a complicated puzzle together. No other theory could do that - apart from aliens. But I have to admit, that this exact puzzle maybe only exists in my mind. Therefore I have a lot of ideas for new threads to define the puzzle pieces.
  13. If George Martin would have wrote the story about the Battle at Waterloo, then it would have been Napoleon himself that had led the final charge of the Old Guard. And maybe they nearly came through if there would´nt have been Wellington who had led the countercharge, after hiding in a depression with his best men. And then eye in eye firing their pistols on each other... Sorry for my bad english.
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    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    There is not only black or white in this topic. For example, if you are famous, of political importance or very rich. You are not able to move freely. There is allways security around. And more, if you are not an adult but a child of one of this persons. You would be very restricted, but not a prisoner. I agree 100%.  Maybe let me turn you to 80% ;-) So you imply that Lyanna really was a prisoner? That they distrusted her? That they were not only guarding her person and cared for her security but controlled and restricted her contact to people from outside? I doubt that. I believe that she was considered at least as part of the royal family if not as the queen regend. I understand, that it was difficult for her to get a official letter to her brother marked with "Lord Eddard Stark, Warden of the North, et cetera et cetera". But even if she had no northerner with her, all it needed was a friend that shared the same opinion, that after the defeat at the Trident, the safest option for Lyanna and the Baby was her brother. Mary Stewart managed to get secret messages out of Tutbury Castle and she was really imprisioned. So I think it was far from impossible for Lyanna to get a message to Eddard. The Tower of Joy maybe was situated on a remote location. But there were several people there, that had to be provided. There was some trafic from and to the place. We even do not know if it was meant as an secret love nest or hiding. Maybe it was only less known outside of Dorne that Rhaegar had this little castle. No paparazzi in ASOIAF that could tell the masses.
  15. Aparently in my view, George Martin loves to explain the victory of one side with a special feint or some special action that takes place, not so much just military force and combat effectiveness. The battle in the wispering woods: - They lure Jamie Lannister into the woods The Battle of the BlackWater: - The chain and the wildfire The Battle of the Trident: - Robert kills Rhaegar The Battle of the Redgrass Field: - Bloodraven first kills Daemon and then defeats Bittersteel The Battle of the Bells: - JonCon insists of beeing knightly / refuses to burn the city - Robert emerges from the Peach The siege of Meeren: - Daenerys sends men through the sewers Therefore I assume for future battles that the side with the better "trick" will win and the the outcome will not so much depend on the numbers and the sheer military force.
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