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3 minutes ago, JonNoMore said:

Ending up together = pairing up romantically at the end of the series / your happily ever after type of relationship 

Pairing up = to be romantically-linked  

 

At least that's how I see it.

So because two people are paired up, that means they're going to be romantically linked? Someone should tell Brienne and Pod and Arya and the Hound and Rickon and Osha.

3 hours ago, JonNoMore said:

 

I don't believe i've said anything about them ending up together, I just said they may be paired up - whether temporarily or permanently (which I think is unlikely), it's difficult to say at this point. Game of Thrones may not be a love story, but it's about love, sex, politics, good vs evil among many other things. In the books, Bran also has a crush on Meera, so I don't think it's far-fetched to think the show is heading in that direction as well.

But they're already paired up?

6 minutes ago, hallam said:

Game of Thrones is a love story. A love story in which Boy meets girl, girl becomes an ice zombie, girl eats boy's brains.

So romantic 

14 hours ago, JonNoMore said:

Does anyone else think that D&D is setting up a Bran/Meera pairing? I know in the books Bran has a crush on Meera despite a significant age gap. However, this is much less apparent on the show due to Ellie's youthful looks. I thought the chemistry between Issac and Ellie was great last night, I wonder if it's something D&D will take advantage of in the show.

I hope not. Just because two characters travel together, and the actors have chemistry, it doesn't mean they're going to end up together. Game of Thrones isn't a love story.

5 hours ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

It might be.  But it might also be an alternate future where Jaime doesn’t kill Aerys and so all of King’s Landing explodes according to plan. Bran intervenes and cajoles Jaime into doing the deed and saving all those people, but also condemning Bran himself to becoming the Last Greenseer.

I don't buy that. Everyone seems to have gone mad on the idea that Bran can/has influenced everything. Bran has seen what his influence does. He's not likely to do that again.

Anyone else think the Wildfire shots in Bran's vision was actually a future shot of Cersei burning down KL?

I haven't finished catching up on the thread yet, so sorry if this has been discussed.

I don't know if it's just because I'm half asleep, but I know Aerys was going on with 'burn them all', but I didn't think anything happened with that? Please let me know if I'm wrong, but if the wildfire shots were from Aerys, would KL still be standing? Or at least the castle?

My thought is that the shots are from the future, and it is Cersei burning down KL.

Loved this episode. Slower than some this season, but just as good imo!

So happy that Arya is finally leaving. I was yelling at the TV for Lady Crane not to drink the poison. I wonder if Arya will go back to Westeros with the action troupe?

Margaery definitely has bigger plans. I don't think Tommen is in on them. Whether this will be what gets him killed, we'll see.

BENJEN BABY!! Has his character just been combined with Coldhands? Or was he Coldhands all along?

Jaime going to the Riverlands. Finally. Hopefull he'll remember how to not be a whipped dog. 

Dany. Yawn. How is she going to rule Westeros and it's people if she kills them all and tears down their houses? And what I've always wondered, what will happen with the Dothraki? The people of Westeros are hardly going to take to a queen with a barbarian army. They rape and kill and steal. I can't see them in Westeros.

Where will Sam and Gilly go? To Oldtown? What will Gilly do?

D&D really can't do anything without getting bashed, can they? Honestly, it will have absolutely no effect so who cares? Seriously? It was a random name in a list of random names. The viewers won't know the families mentioned, what does it matter if they have a little fun with it?

1 hour ago, madchad said:

A little bit dissapointed wth the whole hodor dying. I was hoping that Bran was going to warg into Hodor and take Meera's maiden head first.

Whaaaat 

5 minutes ago, Ludo Kressh said:

I was like 'Wha, wha, WHAAAA.." at the Euron scene. How could anyone follow his orders after a woman and a eunuch slip from his sight after the moot and make off with the entire fleet. And that scene showed that Yara still has alot of support from the Ironborn. And I'd like to know where Euron expects people to find enough wood on the Iron Islands to build 1000 ships. I think Balon was right, he did lose his senses, lol.

It wasn't that I couldn't take 'Hold the door' seriously, it was just so mind blowing. I had to watch the episode twice to get some sense from it and still really couldn't. And this has opened the door(pun unintended) to so many possibilities with Bran's character. How many other events in the past has he inadvertently influenced or is about to influence without actually changing anything in the present. It's well...mind blowing.

As for the CotF, I was more shocked that they used First Men to make them instead of changing themselves into WW. And now the significance of the dragonglass makes sense so now I wonder if Sam will find out this information at the Citadel or are we just going to get tense Tarly family drama and that's it.

And I think the Benjen hype is going to reach an apex next episode, interesting to see how living North of the Wall for the last several years has changed him.

I'm doing a re-watch soon. I'm sure I'll take it more seriously the second time around. The 'Hold the door' would have normally just made me giggle a little, but with everything else going on, it was all so emotional and dramatic that my reactions were over the top lol

I hadn't even thought of that! Surely he'll find that out. I'm actually dying to see the Citadel so I'll be disappointed if all we get is surly Tarly drama. 

I've never been one to think that Benjen is Coldhands, but I'm thinking on the show they might combine the characters. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with anything that gives us Benjen! 

12 minutes ago, SerJimmyJangle said:

What is with the notion that Direwolves are somehow untouchable, or deserve some cheesy Independence Day style act of sacrifice?

FFS, they're large wolves, not Krypto the Superdog; Summer went out fighting, that's it.

Thank you! 

Summer went out like a hero, protecting Bran. It wasn't meaningless or disappointing. The deaths of all of the other wolves felt more disappointing to me than Summer's. 

I'm so disappointed with Euron. After seeing him in the first episode (was it the first episode of the season he was in? I can't recall), I was impressed and couldn't wait to see more. The Euron we got in todays episode felt like a completely different character. Euron is supposed to be dark and mysterious and seductive and frightening. This Euron is like the comical, jovial, murder happy uncle. 

1 hour ago, The_Young_Wolf_Reborn said:

So from what I have read thus far no one is really talking about it so I feel the need to bring it up, Meera killed a WW; I've convinced myself that the spear just had a DG tip but yeah

Also


They killed Summer........why? :'(

It shouldn't take much convincing as it was a DG tipped spear 

3 hours ago, Nymeria Pao said:

So my husband and I have been talking about this for the past two hours.  I think when Meera tried to wake Bran and he heard her through the vision he then warged into present day Hodor and past day Hodor got warged into to too.  Does this make sense?  Then because they were linked, past day Hodor could hear Meera yelling at present day Hodor.  What makes me most upset is the thought that for the next 30 years Hodor was absolutely traumatized and he knew what was going to happen to him.  Then he had to live all those years with the Stark kids making fun of him, knowing the entire time that he would die because of them. I am also terrified to think of him showing up with blue eyes. 

Oh wow, I hadn't even thought of it like that. That's so upsetting.

4 hours ago, xi0 said:

What is with D&D and them spoiling the story in the "Inside the Episode" stuff? I mean, I know HBO has the rights to the story, but do they really have to fuck over the book readers who don't wish to have plot-points spoiled as whether they're the genuine article or not? Are they really that dense?

You could just not watch it? Although, I don't watch it, but it still gets spoiled on the forums for me, so I suppose it doesn't matter.

I haven't finished reading the thread yet (this one is going off more than the others this season), I just wanted to get this out while it's in my head.

I'm sick of seeing the Waif beat Arya. Can't wait to see her (hopefully) get it. I loved seeing the play and Arya's reaction and, not to mention, Richard E Grant!

How uncomfortable for LF! It was good finally seeing him squirm a bit and having to answer for his sh*t. It could have been harsher, sure, but I liked it. As for teleporting LF.. eh. Who cares? No one wants to watch episodes of characters travelling from A to B. 

I've never liked Jorah, so I wasn't emotional during that scene at all. Hopefully he's gone for a while now.

I'm enjoying Tyrion this season about as much as I was during ADwD. Please let it pick up soon. 

Finally! Jon is actually finally leaving! I can't wait to see the Northern houses (specifically the Mormonts and hopefully the Manderlys!). 

Theon and Yara team up! I'm not really as impressed with Euron as I thought I would be. He's almost comical. He's not a man I can take seriously.

So the CotF created the WW. I've only just recently been reading into theories about them, so I found this really interesting! That was my biggest shock moment of the episode. 

Like others have been saying, if Bran has been marked, is that how they will get past the Wall? I think Bran and Meera (and possibly Benjen? Please!) will end up at Greywater. I've been saying for a long time that I think the Wall will be falling this season. If Bran leads the NK there, it could happen.

Summer! I was so excited to see Summer, then boom! RIP. I know a lot of people are complaining about how he died, but I think it was one of the better and more meaningful deaths for the wolves. He died trying to protect Bran. The others died for nothing. 

I couldn't take the 'Hold the door' seriously. I just couldn't. I remember reading a ridiculous theory about it a long time ago, so, as sad as it was, I couldn't get into it emotionally which sucked.

Overall, one of my favourite episodes this season. 

5 minutes ago, NikkiG said:

I've been thinking about the title of this episode more and think it relates to more than the snippets in King's Landing.  Margery quotes the book of the Stranger to the HS and says "And one day you walked through a graveyard and realized it was all for nothing, and set out on the path to righteousness."

I don't think this reference follows book cannon, but in the show-universe does is symbolize the start of Jon Snow's new direction and purpose?  I don't think we have been gifted with so many scenes at the Wall just because it's a popular arc

Ohh, I didn't even pick up on that! Good spot! It could very well reference Jon. I think there are big things planned for him.

50 minutes ago, Pocketsaviour said:

When Tyrion gives his "gift" of three prostitutes to the slavers, is the one in the blue outfit the Harpy Prostitute who Varys was putting the threats to last episode? 

Her hair is very similar and facially she looks very similar to me but the scene is dimly-lit and it's difficult for me to be sure. 

I thought so too, but no, I don't think she is.

5 hours ago, Ludo Kressh said:

Well, it would just be another way for the show to show us how bad Ramsey really is. Hell, maybe the Boltons have Thenn blood, who knows.

They do like to remind us a lot about just how evil Ramsay is.

4 hours ago, TheKitttenGuard said:

I did not think of the apple skin.

I was thinking that Osha's line would of got into Ramsey's head that he need to "step his game up". 

It also got me thinking a little also of the Season 3 finale pork susage scene.

What better way to up his game than to eat a flayed Osha 

10 hours ago, talvikorppi said:

-snip-

Winterfell – well, it begins and ends with Ramsay flaying an apple. Not a very subtle cinematic cue, but I liked it nevertheless.

 

Osha was so great, for a while I thought she might pull it off. She was using the same tactics she used before, on Theon… But, alas, Ramsay is a psychopath, unlike Theon. But the music and the camera… the suspense… will she get the knife…

 

Of course not, we knew she was a goner. RIP Osha, and Natalie Tena. I’m just glad that her exit scene was such a good, tense one.

About Ramsay and flaying the apple. 

I sort of took it as foreshadowing that he will end up being a cannibal. Crazy, I know, but hear me out.

Osha walks in and he is flaying the apple. Taking the skin off in one long strip like that points to the fact that he won't be eating the skin. He puts it all aside and they have a quick discussion about his flaying hobbies, Osha asks if he eats them. Ramsay looks amused, but says no.

Everything happens, RIP Osha, and Ramsay starts flaying the apple again, only this time, he eats the skin.

It's not completely out of the realm of possibilities where Ramsay is concerned.

It could be foreshadowing, or I could be reading too much in to the fact that he just ate some apple skin. 

3 hours ago, Kyll.Ing. said:

It's been a while since I saw the relevant episode now, so I have to ask: Did Stannis confess to killing Renly on-screen when Brienne found him? I can't remember much dialogue between them, only that Brienne struck down... something (Stannis being out of shot).

The next episode's preview shows Littlefinger meeting Sansa again... presumably in the North, at the Wall. If I remember the distances correctly, that's, what, 2000 km away from the Vale, as the dragon flies? Seems like he hasn't parted with that jet horse he used last season. Wonder how quickly the knights of the Vale could close the same distance? Real-world figures suggest it'd take months, at the very least, to move an army that far. Barbarossa spent a year moving his army from Mainz in modern-day Germany to Iconium in Turkey, for instance, and if I recall correctly, that's a shorter voyage.

Another thing that made me think... why did Osha have freedom of the castle? She was brought to Winterfell in chains, yet came knocking on Ramsay's door without them.

Stannis admitted to killing Renly with black magic.

I really need D&D's teleportation machine! 

I don't think she had freedom of the castle. Ramsay sent for her, had her bathed etc.

2 hours ago, lyanna wolfgirl said:

 yep!

 

and ha.  i was at the torcon in 2003, with the BWB (a group of us who knew each other from the old board - ezboard.com!  i miss that board) and grrm would come to our hotel room party every night we were there.  and one night there was a lamprey pie, and he "knighted" all of us over that pie.  so yes, i was knighted by grrm   i even sat on his lap in my lyanna costume plying him with bailey's and asking sneaky questions... which he totally did not answer.  he was a total gentleman about it too, and his partner (then) parris was right there too... it was all very respectful and innocent.  i love him.  he just needs to WRITE FASTER!!!!!!!!!!

That is, without a doubt, one of the coolest things I've ever heard!

1 hour ago, yesiam8833 said:

What if Sansa is in on the plan.  She stop at the Umbers and work out a deal with them to take back Winterfell.  They agree only if she helps kill all the wildlings.  The only way this can happen is to have Jon lead the wildings against Boltons.  This would weak either forces and allow Umbers to clean up.

I can't see that happening.

4 minutes ago, White Harbors Wrath said:

Yes, it's bound to be some Manderly type...though the speech thing could be a complete red herring. It was definitely a separate person than Umber though. There's two yet to be introduced lords as well as Lyanna Mormont. We can assume they'll all be on Starks side of the fence. I think the one leaked photo showed three house flags besides Stark on the Stark side, Mormont, some orange one and one with yellow circles on it...who knows, probably some invented families.

We know at the very least they'll have the Mormonts. Hopefully the Manderlys will be in it. I did see the photo you're talking about but couldn't make out the sigils on the flags, so who knows? 

5 minutes ago, northernmonkey said:

This would be the most illogical thing yet. Someone who supports the Starks handing over one of the last remaining Starks to Ramsay makes literally no sense whatsoever.

It's an illogical thing in a long list of illogical things. Doesn't mean it can't/won't be true.