RadSam

First off, keep up the sarcasm. It really helps people take you seriously in a discussion/debate/argument. If that's not the problem, then why complain about silly little things that don't really make a different to the narrative? It may not be you in particular doing this (to be completely honest, I didn't read your post. I started, but it looked like it was going to be another long, whinging post and I just couldn't be bothered.), but seeing people rant and whinge and carry on about this character going here, that character saying this instead of that, that character's hair is a few shades lighter than they'd like, it gets tedious reading that. All I was saying was posts like that should be in the 'rant and rave' or 'criticize without repercussion' threads. That's what they're there for.

The posts I'm talking about aren't just pointing out flaws and successes. I'm talking about the elitist book fans who expect it to be conveyed book to screen with 100% accuracy. It's not going to happen. And when it doesn't, they not only bash it, but do it in a way that makes them sound like petty children throwing a tantrum. I was trying to say that if those particular posts can be moved to a different thread, I'd prefer it, but that doesn't mean I expect that to happen.

That's a good idea actually. I like it. Perhaps you could make those threads for the upcoming episodes as they're released?

I can stomach the criticism, but what they're saying isn't criticism. It's nitpicking and whinging. It's elitist book fans who hate the show, but continue to watch and complain.

I've seen the Rant and Rave thread for other episodes, but I don't think there's one for this episode. I was actually getting two different things mixed up. A Rant and Rave thread, and a Criticize without Repercussion thread. I think if there was a combination of the two, it would solve a lot of problems!

Isn't there a 'Rant and Rave' thread? Or something similar? Some of these posts are longer than I am tall (I'm not very tall, but that's not the point.). Maybe pop on over there with those long, ranty posts. And also, enough with the constant whinging and complaining. If the show is that horrible that you have to complain about every little aspect of it, do us all a favour and just stop watching it.

Yes, but this isn't the books we're talking about, it's the show. It worked for the show IMO. I'm starting to think that you are either a troll or you aren't watching/reading the same series as everyone else here.

And then Balon letting go so he didn't look weak and cowardly compared/in front of Euron.

It's not about having a 'better reply'. She just had a baby. She's not pregnant in the show. If she was pregnant in the show to the point of it being noticeable, even by just one person, they would have mentioned something about it, don't you think?

Changing the name is understandable. It's the same as changing Robert to Robin, Asha to Yara. If there are too many characters with the same/similar names, viewers will get confused.

Isn't playing 'spy' kind of what the Manderly's are doing? And I don't really see it as playing 'spy'. I see it more as getting in close with the enemy so it's easier to take them out. I'd hate if they swapped sides halfway through the battle. I'd rather see some subtle, little hints about someone being on the inside then bam! Ramsay is dead. I don't remember the GNC being about Rickard. It's been a long time since I've read it all the way through though.

The Northern lords working together (in secret) to overthrow the Boltons (and the Freys I believe) and have a Stark ruling the North again. There is a lot more to do with Robb's will legitimizing Jon, but it has never been mentioned or hinted at in the show, so I won't get into that.

Maybe part of the GNC? The same way the Manderlys were shown to be supporting the Boltons.

People were suggesting that Jon wouldn't come back, but someone (Edd a few said) would be glamoured as Jon.

Obviously not just me, but you're the only person I've seen that's mentioned it. Just saying.

Obviously not just me, but you're the only person I've seen that's mentioned it. Just saying.

The CotF talking about Bran not being there forever. Will he leave soon? Or does she mean in the same way BR has been there for 100 or so years and is now going/dying/whatever is happening that he won't be there forever? I'm thinking the Karstarks will soon realise their mistake and turn back to the Starks. I'm glad the talk of glamour Jon can end. That was making me uneasy. I'm happy to see Theon going home. It'll be nice seeing him reunited with Yara (unless she's gone by then). Not sure how his interactions with Euron will go, but I can't wait.

I'm with you there.

Five whole seasons and onto the sixth and complaining all the way

I was fine with how Roose went out (it's completely in line with something Ramsay would do), with how quickly Jon came back (they have too much to cover for his story to have dragged it out), the NW refusing to fight (most of them were already torn and unhappy with what Thorne did, it wouldn't have taken much, just Edd's little push and, you know, being unnumbered and a giant to sway them to drop their weapons).

What are you talking about? Book and show NW are all criminals. And anyway, comparing the show to the books, especially now, is ridiculous. For someone who complains about the show as much as you have been, I don't know why you even bother watching it.

I loved this episode! It was one of my favourites so far. There were so many things in there for book readers (Lyanna, Hodor back story [which hopefully we get more of], Euron killing Balon). I was on the edge of my seat for most of it. KL and Arya's stuff bored me a little, as did Tyrions dick jokes, but I loved everything else.

I wasn't confused at all. I didn't notice anything. They're not going to 'avoid showing her waist' because a few people will be confused. Very few people would even notice it.

Thank you talvikorpii! I love reading people's analyses of the show, and yours is one of the most in depth I've seen so far. I agree with most everything you've said and you pointed out a few things I didn't know/didn't think about. Thank you again!

Or it may not have changed at all.