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  1. Yes, there is lots of that. The Wall has a smoke house and plenty of salt. The Quiet Isle with the saltpans and their smoking beehives. Any active seamount like Dragonstone. Bran also tastes a salty tear when he passes through the Black Gate, but where is the smoke? Unless it's Jon's smoking blood as he lays dying. Didn't you say that Jon was the sword without a hilt once his consciousness passes to Ghost? That those two things have to be put back together to make the sword whole?
  2. Just so. But is the red sword one of Dany's dragons? Their fire isn't red. So perhaps the comet is the red sword heralding the return of dragons.
  3. Salt tears, I believe. Aemon mentions them: the salt was from the tears shed at Summerhall. I don't make the assumption that her rebirth came during the funeral. I think that happened before and during MMD's ritual to revive Drogo as I've stated upthread. Born and reborn, as a condition, both make an apperance in these prophecies. She was certainly a princess, at the time of her birth. I think your intuition is right about this. Except that it isn't House Martell, but House Dayne that is impotant. Dany's vision during her dragon dream shows a line of kings all holding the pale sword. This is consistent with Martin showing ancestors in Jaime's dream of his ancestors going back to Lann the clever and similarly, Jon's dreams about the Kings in the crypts. We could infer that these are Dany's ancestors. You would have to take the leap that Rhaegar and Ashara produced Dany. There are hints that Dany is the spitting image of Ashera; just as Gendry is the spitting image of Robert. There is also the business of Rhaegar speaking to a third person in Dany's vision, that there must be one more (child?). Dany is a child of three. Perhaps not Rhaegar's sister but Aegon's sister.
  4. Did you just step outside your comfort zone?
  5. I know that. Just as I know that a bleeding star is not the same as 'when the stars bleed' either; which is the story that Mel tells first. I also know that your position about Dorne/Targaryen alliance is only about power. I disagree. I think Prince of Dorne has an interest in the prophecy and is covering his bases. Martell keeps everything close to his chest, so I don't expect Martin put everything he's thinking in the text. Sarella is certainly on a mission at the Citadel and Doran is waiting to hear about what she learns. In the meantime, Mel refers to the comet as a bleeding star. When the stars bleed = meteor shower Rhaegar is also certain that Aegon is the fulfillment of the woods witch prophecy. I don't think it's only the Targ bloodline that is important to him. As to the falling star/comet allusion; I think it's quite possible to mistake seeing a falling star in a dream for a comet. I also think that it's House Dayne that is important rather than House Martell.
  6. Exactly, so many contradictions. I wouldn't proclaim Mel's version either. I'm just looking at what we have been told about the prophecies and what has actually happened.
  7. I think she was remade and reborn before the funeral pyre when MMD wakes powers old and dark . What she does with drogon, MMD and the eggs, follows when she has immunity from the fire. This is the part where she wakes dragons from stone; as opposed to waking the stone dragon. The transformation precedes the act of hatching the dragon eggs. The question is whether Dany died giving birth and was reborn. The taste of ashes in her mouth reminds me of Beric saying essentially the same thing.
  8. This is what she tells Davos: She is talking about a singular dragon. Davos calls it the great stone dragon. Of course, this brings up Dany's 'wake he dragon' dreams. Perhaps this is the great stone dragon. Seems she has to be spiritually transformed before she can 'wake the dragon': This whole things occurs during and in the aftermath of the MMD ritual and Dany's labor. She woke the dragon, became the dragon and was torn apart and remade. Sacrificed her unborn son. Mel might have some inkling of this transformation and thinks she can accomplish it by sacrificing Edric; but clearly Dany and MMD are the two who accomplish it. Among all the visions; this one is interesting in view of Frey Family Reunion's proposal: The obvious link to swords of pale fire is the Dawn Sword and the tower it's kept in:
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    An issue with the Nights Watch

    Reminds me of the Berlin Wall separating families and people who were once a nation.
  10. This makes a lot of sense to me. If you look at Doran Martell's investment in marriage contracts to Targs; I keep wondering if the snippet we get from Barristan Selmy about The Prince is really referring to the Prince of Dorne. A slightly different syntax from 'the prince that was promised'. I'm guessing that the pact signed in secret has something to do with the marriage contract between Viserys and Arianne witnessed by the Sealord of Braavos. When presented to Dany by Quentin, she accepts it's validity even though she is not specifically mentioned. (according to Selmy). As I've mentioned before Doran Martell, seems to have all his bases covered: Rhaegar and Elia, Viserys and Arianne; then Quentyn and Dany and finally, Arianne and Aegon. So we don't have the whole prophecy from the woods witch. The question is why is the Prince of Dorne covering all the bases unless it has something to do with a prophecy. He dared not marry Arianne to anyone, other than offspring of the line of Aerys and Rhaella. Perhaps because the marriage between Rhaegar and Elia was supposed to produce the promised one and then they died. So he now has Sarella following in Oberyn's footsteps at the Citadel, looking for something. But it seems to me that Martel thinks that offspring from the line of Martell and Targaryen are key to something. Perhaps Rhaegar thinks the same thing since he claims that Aegon is the outcome of that prophecy. Perhaps he was told as much by the GoHH/Woods Witch when he went on his solo visits to Summerhall. That might explain why he was happiest visiting a place that is connected to tragedy. So I do see how TPWIP could be a Rhoynish prophecy connected in some way to a messianic prophecy. So if Mel is right and the pwip is also the one who wakes dragons from stone; that leaves Aegon out. It also leaves Dany out since she is not the offspring of Dorne/Valyria. But how can that be if she is the one who wakes dragons from stone? It would mean that she is the offspring of those two bloodlines. That brings ups House Dayne. Perhaps it isn't a comet that shows up on the day of birth, but rather someone born to the falling star of House Dayne.
  11. Ya! Wow! That too. Do Bran, Jon and Arya fit as a trinity?
  12. Yup, a triumvirate makes a hell of a lot of sense. Although, in it's simplest form it could just mean: father, mother, teacher. But as an end game results, I can imagine an Aegon/Sansa/Tyrion triumvirate.
  13. Damn, I hate to be on the opposite side of the fence from you...but... lol Yes, I can see Darkstar taking the sword, but I don't see him as worthy. I think Martin is setting Brienne up as the Just Maid, the Perfect Knight; the one who's deeds are worthy of honor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Martin say that the one who claims the sword didn't have to be a Dayne, they just had to be worthy? If this a magic sword we're talking about; could it be that someone can only claim the sword if they are worthy?
  14. LynnS

    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    That's perfectly alright with me. I think it's necessary for any inquiry to have this perspective as well.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I don't really know the significance or meaning of the words the dragon has three heads. More to the point, neither does Dany. We've been entertaining the idea that Starks have their own Musgrave Ritual; they know the words: there must always be a Stark in Winterfell and Winter is coming; and they go through the motions, without understanding the significance. I think something similar has happened with the Targs. The Dragon has Three Heads might be their own Musgrave Ritual. The second connection I would make is about direwolves and dragons. We know something about warging and skinchanging, and also, that the wolves initiate the wolf dreams, with the Stark kids, in the beginning. Is that also true of dragon riders and their bonded riders? Is the dragon initiating the connection with Dany in her dreams? If Starks can have a second life in their wolves; can Targs have a second life in their dragons? If dead Starks are captured in stone in the crypts of Winterfell; can the souls of Targs be captured in stone dragon eggs? Then reborn in the ritual that Dany performs with Drogo's funeral? If Dany's source is an old source; one that has knowledge of the ritual; then does it follow that her dream of riding Rhaegar to the battle of Trident is an old memory; the way it should have been? These are the questions that occupy me.
  16. LynnS

    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I'm not sure, but wasn't it you who said that Dany had intuitive knowledge? Dany hatches the dragon eggs without knowing what she is actually doing. How does she come by that knowledge, especially when everyone else failed. She has been transformed and cleansed in spiritual fire, made ready for what is to come: I don't think Dany's dreams are ordinary dreams. GRRM has said that Dany had (or was given) temporary immunity from fire, perhaps her knowledge comes from the same source. LOL!
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Yes, I respect how other people engage with the story for their enjoyment.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Awesome! I have the same idea, only I think Rhaegar is the singing dragon of Dany's dream, now reborn as Drogon in exchange for Rheagal's life. Dany dreams of being Rhaegar, wearing his armor and becoming the dragon and this dream: This is very strange. Which part of her is exulting, which has a memory of the Trident? This seems to me to be a separate consciousness from Dany. I've said before that while identity of the Great Wolf in the tent ritual is hidden from Dany; she can see the man limned in flame (the Great Dragon) without his dragon body.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Me too. Which is interesting because it implies that there will be three dragon riders. I'd say Victarion is one and Tyrion is the other. But I don't think this is the sole meaning of the dragon has three heads or even the most relevant.
  20. LynnS

    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    LOL! I'm satisfied with your explanation. I don't have a theory per se; my inquiry is exploratory in nature. I do get that your nature is primarily logical and sensing. People do collect and process information in different ways. I'm fascinated that there are people on the forums who can hold vast amounts of detail about bloodlines. Or can answer questions about the size of Euron's fleet, for example. That stuff just falls right out of my head. It's still interesting. However, stuff that I consider to be overly romanticized is something that I tend to dismiss. Generally, I think that the main sources of conflict on the board have to do with how members process information or how we come to closure. I don't have closure on many ideas, while others are exacerbated by the notion that some things are closed and can't be questioned any longer. I don't mind that people disagree. After all, it's just a friendly discussion.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    This sounds right to me. Why do you suppose he switches between the red and black eye patches? What do you make of Euron's personal sigil?
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