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  1. Bernie Mac

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Who is more likely than a crippled, impotent child with no blood claim and worships the Old Gods (a minority religion even before the North was given away), believed dead and missing from the world of Westeros politics for the last few years? Pretty much everyone, off the top of my head His own sister. Sansa, if her marriage to Tyrion is annulled, is a young presumable fertile, healthy person. Marrying her to another powerful noble offers an alliance to unite the realm. With her as Queen we presumably don't get the North seceding Edric Storm, an acknowledged bastard of Robert's, he's both an heir of Robert's crown and Dany's Crown via his great, great grandmother. Unlike his show counterpart Gendry, he's a noble on both sides, was raised a noble, follows in Robert and Renly's charisma footsteps and is supported by the Florents of the Reach and the Estermonts of the Stormlands Should Robin Arryn survive childhood he rules the one kingdom relatively unscathed in the last 5 books. Strong army, single, Andal and from one of the most ancient and respected families in Westeros Jon if his birth becomes known, which him riding a Dragon should confirm Except they don't. Sansa is healthy, can presumably marry with another House and create heirs to rule the realm. Sansa, presumably by the time of the last book, will have influence in amongst the Vale nobility and Northern nobility. Bran's been in a cave and outside of the Reeds has no real influence among the nobility of Westeros.
  2. Bernie Mac

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    It actually does. In the middle ages look at each time England gave away pieces of France, look at each time the French conceded parts of their lands. Historically losing land is not being on the up and up, it means less taxes, less power, less influence. Can you think of many medieval kingdoms who were on the up and up after giving away a third of their land? More than possible in the show continuity. Not so much in the books, they might not have been as active as the more central kingdoms in Westeros but they were not independent nor were they more independent than the likes of Dorne and the Iron Islands. Sure, and they would also have paid taxes, raised armies when needed and not been a potential military threat in the future. No, Rhaegar was dead before Robert was coronated. It was Viserys who he usurped. No, Aerys was dead when Robert put the crown on and was anointed king by the High Septon. Usurper is just what he is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_usurpers#England Being a usurper does not mean he's not an official King, it just means he got the crown through usurping the Throne.
  3. Bernie Mac

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    While that is true to a point, it should be noted that the series is almost 2/3rds through and he's introduced a pretty detailed history of the first 150 years of Royal rule in Westeros. He's established a rich history which he can't really ignore. The reason why the last three books have taken him far longer to complete than the first three is precisely because he is trying to perfect it and make it seem logical. I genuinely can't see him abandoning that in the final book. Jaehaerys I was not in a position to appoint a commoner as his Hand or a foreigner as his Master of Coin until he was firmly established as King a decade later. He had to obey certain conventions, appointing men who were trusted by the realm. Both Jahaerys and Daeron II had women in mind for the position of Master of Coin but both had to obey the conventions of the day and hire their husbands to be officially on the Small Council. Westeros in the books is not going to become woke over night. The end of the series is still going to resemble our own middle ages society. See I don't really think what the show did was incomprehensible. The show and the book are two interpretations of the same story, but the show is far less burdened with history, rules and customs as the books are. It just about works for the show as there has always been a looseness with what is and is not possible in their world. its not weighed down with greater nuance of the books.
  4. Bernie Mac

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Don't get me wrong, I liked the last three episodes and have no real problem with the ending (the first two of the season bored me and the third was too dark but the last three were very entertaining). But the show and the books are quite different. The show is not as fleshed out as the books, and what they can get away with in the show will, in my opinion, not translate to the books due to the huge amount of source material and GRRM's pains to establish it as more akin to our own middle aged than a fairytale. Cersei and Bran becoming rulers of Westeros should not be viable options in the book, neither have claims and at the time neither had heirs. Every Lord would be looking over their shoulders now that a precedent had been set that blood no longer mattered. The only way someone like Bronn could get the Reach is through marriage. And Gendry becoming ruler of the Stormlands is also a nonstarter. As a Lannister fanboy I was OK with it, the House was intact, a Lannister basically rules the realm and Cersei and Jaime's ending was quite poetic and given Dany's actions the Lannisters becoming the villains of history seems unlikely. It was actually a great ending for the Lannisters, or as good as they could have expected given that they were the main protagonists of a fantasy series. But in the books I'd be disappointed with the realm being carved up between Starks, Lannisters and their allies. The North and Riverlands are currently in no position to be calling the shots, things obviously will get worse in the next two books. Possibly. However my counter is unless the great battle happens in the South I have my doubts that any of the Lords will believe it. They'll take it as more grumpkins and snarks and convince themselves that the Others were just another Wildling tribe and the people in the North are exaggerating their claims. Not so much win, but they are in no ones shadows, the most important people in their corner of the world and expect lives of importance. Arya Columbus setting out to find the New World is both exciting and sets her up as a potential major player in that world's history. Jon is likely to become the Lord Commander again, ruling his own section of the world. All four Starks are the most important people in their section of the world. Much happier than the alternative. She has regained her humanity, her sense of adventure and stopped being a killing machine. Which is a happy ending and one I think will happen in the books. But they felt the need to sugar coat it with the further adventures on the high seas. The writers wanted all the remaining Starks to be great, so having them all remain at Winterfell means three will be in the shadow of one. So they split them up and made them 'rulers/captains' of their own world. Many shows do this, its setting up potential spin offs. That was before the kingslaying and kinslaying. GRRM has stressed what these mean in Westeros and he's admitted to both. Kinslaying is worse than breaking Guest Rights in the South, should Walder be named as Hand there would be outrage and he denies his crimes. Remember when Davos lands on the Three Sisters and news of Tyrion's deeds has Lord Sunderland(?) talking about how dwarves are a curse and talks of how they should be killed at sea like they were in the good old days. Tyrion was hated and despised before killing his father and nephew, he's never going to be trusted again. A dwarf Hand and a Cripple King is simply not going to work in a world where most Lords are more Randyll/Robert than they are Sam. Who has she taught? Jaime is the only real one we know that has changed his mind on her and she had to save his life and best him in battle to do just that. Most nobles still see her as a joke come AFFC. If she does somehow kill Stannis maybe this might change, if its in battle and there are witnesses, but I don't think Brienne is about to be accepted in the sexist medieval world of Westeros. The Suffragette movement took decades to get incremental change, GRRM is enough of a history buff to know that having Westeros suddenly accept Brienne would be odd. So should she be made a Kingsguard for a normal King it could be tolerated, but the trifecta of Bran, Tyrion and Brienne is a recipe for rebellion. Especially once Bran gives away a third of the realm. Two of the least popular British monarchs, John and Mary, were hated during their own reigns for giving away parts of France. They were born common, one a smuggler the other a sellsword. Littlefinger is a noble and still looked down upon because of his birth. Having one or even two commoners on the Council is not the problem if was in isolation. Just as having a cripple with no claim to the throne as King would be fine if it was in isolation or having a hated kingslaying/kingslaying dwarf as Hand or the very first ever female knight as Lord Commander. All are fine in isolation, maybe even two are passable. But for a new dynasty this is a recipe for disaster.
  5. Bernie Mac

    Strongest Lannister Vassal

    Seems highly unlikely. They might be one of the wealthiest, but given the Lannisters of Casterly Rock are on their doorsteps it seems their only power would be within the Walls of Lannisport and that power would be shared with the Lannisters of CR. There simply is not enough information to know who the strongest is. It may be the Crakehalls as they are the main House in the South of the Westerlands and they'd be expected to be the Westerlands defence against the Reach. Similarly House's Brax, Serrett, and Lefford are all situated close to the borders, they'd be tasked with the defence of these so it can be expected they have the resources in land and riches to carry out this task. Obviously we know that House Reyne was the second most powerful House in the West, it depends what happened to their lands. Presumably it was shared between the Lannisters closest allies in that war, which would have been the Marbrands and Prester which brings both of these Houses into the equation. I genuinely don't think we'll get an answer on this as there probably is not a big enough gap between 2nd and 3rd, 4th and 5th most powerful House in the Westerlands to get an answer from the remaining two books.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    They accepted Joffrey and Tommen due to them being the acknowledged heirs of Robert Baratheon. Both being healthy, both marrying early, neither thought of as being impotent and both having the backing of much of the kingdom. Both were also anointed by the High Septon, something that seems unlikely to happen with Bran. In the first few books we witness what other characters think of Bran, his father's closest friend and his distant Karstark cousins all pity him and think he would be better off dead. This is the mentality of the world they live in. They are not going to nominate him as King. The Same is true for Bronn and the Reach, unless he is married to Margaery and her father and brothers are all dead there is zero chance the Reach lords accept him as their Lord. I'm not ruling out the books following the show, but that ending was pure pandering, its the type of ending that is wished for on these kind of forums. The Starks ruling both the North and the South can be pulled from any fan fantasy ending to the series. Arya and Jon can't be in their shadow so they both leave and do their own thing. Not only that the realm accepting Tyrion, the kingslayer, kinslayer hated dwarf as the de facto ruler is also not going to wash. Brienne is a worthy knight but the realm would see her appointment as a joke. Having two commoners on the Small Council just exacerbates the problem. Its hard to see GRRM going with the majority of these choices as King and Council.
  7. Bernie Mac

    The Ending Was very conventional

    But English speaking countries are still predominantly white and fantasy literature has been around for over a century, at a time when much of the English speaking countries were far less multi racial than they are now. The writings of Tolkien reflect the world he lived in, which was as much a multi racial nation as modern day Japan is. Though much of modern day fantasy, including ASOIAF, has a multi cultural cast, so I'm not sure the point being made here. Fantasy literature has existed long before you and I were born and for a long time its main audience was white men. The success of Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Game of Thrones has changed that, but that is a recent change and not every adaptation of a fantasy series is going to be from a 21st century work. Of course I have. Most people have. I'm not sure your point here? The past is the past, I'm just stating a fact, in the past, for the majority of the 20th century, fantasy's audience was largely white men. Writers in the 19th and 20th century have wanted their books to sell, wanted fans of the genre to identify with their characters and have catered to that audience. That is simply how markets operate. In the last 20 years there has been a change and we've seen that change with more and more female and multi racial fantasy series being produced both for literature and film/tv. The genre has changed reflecting its larger and more diverse audience, but many of the most popular books that are now being adapted were written before this change or have a setting that does not makes sense set in a more multi cultural world. Dany was a central protagonist, perhaps the central protagonist for 60 episodes and an antagonist for 2. You are quibbling. Most of the great characters of modern day tv have become bad, Walter White is probably the greatest tv character of the 21st century, he turns from good to bad. What is your issue with a female doing the same? Sansa is not a villain. Arya is not a villain. And everyone, male and female, have emotions. The more satisfying antagonists and protagonists have emotions. Plus its a common trope. Darth Vader, perhaps the most famous villain in sci fi/fantasy becomes a villain because he too can't handle his emotions. Its not a gender specific problem. Its the Game of Thrones, everyone is pretty much seeking power. This is such a bullshit argument. Dany, Arya, Sansa, Brieene, Oleena. Margaery, Melisandre, Cat and even Cersei are some of the most beloved and celebrated characters of any gender in modern day fantasy. And the book goes further. Genna, Arrianne and Asha are awesome in the book and either not adapted well or missing from the show. On the whole the ratio of awesome female characters to male characters is pretty much 1:1 This is really not the series, in either of its forms, to complain about it being focused on one gender over the other. Guess what, not all women are the same. Some are free to disparage femininity. A character who is a child at the start of the show should be able to do that. And you do realize she has to, her life is in danger, she literally has to pretend to be a boy to survive. Giving up her identity is central to plot. People are disabled. Why do you want the likes of Tyrion and Bran to be erased from fantasy? Should cripples and dwarves not be seen? You do realize its a book loosely set in a version of middle ages Europe, right? Of course white dudes are dime a dozen. Of course she is. She was calling the shots in Winterfell and she was calling the shots in Kings Landing, telling her uncle to shut up and sit down. When Bran is made King she is the only one to point out the obvious flaw why he's a bad choice, he can't have kids. She's more than his equal as a character but in statehood they are equals just like the monarchs of France and England in the middle ages were equals. You have an agenda to push, but Sansa was clearly the most equal member of that not so great council. The North is not some consolation prize to the viewer. Its the realm the viewer has identified with from the beginning. She does what Robb Stark and three centuries of Starks before her have not been able to do, regain autonomy. Again, you are pushing an agenda so you are going to find fault for the sake of finding fault. And yet we now have a female ruler of the North and a female Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. And the previous two monarchs of Westeros were Queens. The show has zero problem showing women can have powerful roles. And guess what, some struggle just like most of the men in powerful roles struggle. The Game of Thrones is not supposed to be easy.
  8. Bernie Mac

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    He's in the Nights Watch. He arrives at Castle Black in Brown, with two Nightswatch men either side of him escorting him from Kings Landing. He's then changes into his black Nightswatchman uniform that he's not worn since he left the Watch. The Watch exists, Jon has rejoined. If the show wanted to suggest that he'd gone to live with the Wildlings he'd either still be wearing his dark brown suit or wearing the grey/whites that the other Wildlings are wearing and they'd not focus the majority of his montage on the Castles at the Wall. They could simply show him living in a Wildling camp. Unless the Wildlings have abandoned their way of life then the Northmen and Wildlings are not 'cool'. The Northman have laws, the Wildlings don't and think everything is up for grabs. These are fundamentally two very different ways of life, they can no co-exist with both sides happy. On top of that the Wildlings are made up of many clans, they are not one cohesive group. Some will remain on good terms with the Watch, others won't. And the Others were thought dead thousands of years ago and they returned. Westeros would be pretty stupid to ignore that threat. The Nights Watch still exists, perhaps rebuilding their defences, training new recruits and further exploring the Lands of Winter for clues on who and what the Others were are going to be the Watch's main prerogative's in the future, but they are still needed. No. In a 10 second montage they deliberately have him change clothes into his Night watch uniform and repeat his iconic (from seasons past) leaving the Wall via the tunnels on a mission. If they wanted to suggest that he's abandoned the Watch they'd simply not spend his entire montage associating him with the Watch. Plus Jon is Ned's son. He made a vow, unless his family or the world is in danger he's not going to break it. Not after just arriving. Especially as it betrays his character, he feels guilt over killing Dany. He has not tried to fight his punishment. Jon is in Kings Landing as he watches the Unsullied leave, if his intention was not to accept his punishment he'd either be at Wintefell or chill at Duskendale before returning to Kings Landing. The Wildlings are still enemies. If they had changed their ways they'd not be returning beyond the Wall, they'd be repopulating the Umber lands, the Gift, even the Wall itself. The North lost tens of thousands of people, they need the population boost and the land is obviously better in the North than beyond the Wall. They've returned home and returned to their old way of life and that way of life is illegal in the Kingdoms South of the Wall.
  9. Bernie Mac

    Strongest Lannister Vassal

    We all will probably die. What does this have to do with the Tyrells last two marriages being to two of their strongest vassals? There is no 'golden rule'. You made it up. There are actually Harlaw men on both sides, mostly on Euron's actually. And you must be talking about the show, the Ironborn united under Euron. Asha and her crew sailed away to the North. Little blood, if any was spilt. Yup. What one earth does this have to do with this 'Golden rule' malarkey that you made up? I presumed you were referring to a guideline. It is still BS. Few, if anyone, follows such guidelines. Not in Westeros and not in our own middle ages. Marriages between Kings/Lords and powerful vassals was frequent and encouraged. Marriages between Kings/Lords and insignificant vassals was rare and discouraged. What? He did not want to marry his heir to a Vassal full stop. And yeah, how desperate are you to be using a character who's most known trait is that he's 'mad'. That shows how much this 'guideline' makes sense. No, it does not. What point are you trying to make? No, he was not. Jaime was in the Kingsguard already. Lancel and Tyrek is not being surrounded by Lannisters. You mean his wife, with the support of Littlefinger of the Vale and Janos Slynt of the Kingsguard. Cersei took over because of her status as queen and influence at court. This should happen with any competent Queen. And who do you expect to have taken over? The King's wife and acknowledged children are always going to take over, that is what Robert wanted. For someone else to take over is wrong, Kings want their heirs to take power when they die. How do you not understand this? That is not true to Robert's knowledge. "I do hereby command Eddard of House Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Hand of the King, to serve as Lord Regent and Protector of the Realm upon my … upon my death … to rule in my … in my stead, until my son Joffrey does come of age …" You do realize that secretly cuckolding the King and arranging a boar to kill him is not the norm, right? Robert, even on his deathbed, intended his acknowledged heir to succeed him. That's just a fact. By all means provide the evidence that Balon or any Dornish Lord had an issue with a Dornish-Yronwood marriage? Any evidence at all. Sandor was not in the Kingsguard down to Tywin. You claimed that Tywin favoured the Cleganes and then used Sandor's appointment to the KG as evidence when Tywin had nothing to do with it and was actually pissed when he found out that Sandor had replaced Barristan. Yes, Tywin uses the Cleganes because they are useful, not because he favors them. How does the above quote support your original claim? Did you forget what your original claim was? Yup and who was Ellyn Reye betrothed to? And who was her first husband? Do you not think before you type?
  10. Bernie Mac

    Two Questions about this Episode

    It was a 10 second montage. We also did not see Arya hire a boat and crew but we can be reasonably certain she did just that before she was on a boat. Rangers of the Nights Watch frequently go North. And Jon was dressed as a Watchman, clearly different to the Wildlings with him. Also rewatch, he arrives in Brown with the two Watchmen all in Black and changes into his all black nightswatch uniform, he's not worn that for the last season and a half. The writing might be bad but the costume department know what they are doing and what Jon is wearing is not random, its the Night watch Uniform, its very deliberate. They don't have to, the Hand of the King does. As does his entire Small Council. That is never said to my knowledge. If you tell me which episode and how many minutes in this information is given I'll gladly verify it for you.
  11. Bernie Mac

    Two Questions about this Episode

    The guy murdered the last woman he slept with and watched the first woman he ever slept with murdered by his own men. I don't imagine Jon's libido will be concerned with women for quite some time. Sure there is. Jon will likely become the Lord Commander again, if not one the top men. There is plenty to do. Training, rebuilding defences, dealing with the dead. Except not really. They were allies when it was humanity against the White Walkers and the Dead. But the Wildlings are many, many different tribes, not united under one. Their way of life, that no one owns anything and its there to be taken, contradicts the way of life of Westeros. This alliance is not going to last long. The Others were not the reason Jon joined the Watch. They were believed to be a fairy tale, or long dead thousands of years ago. The fact that they are now known to exist means the Watch is now more important than it has been in thousands of years. Will they return? No one in Westeros knows. Are there more out there? No one in Westeros knows? What part of beyond the Wall did they come from? No one in Westeros knows? The Nights Watch will be asking and finding out these questions. They will be funded heavily by both the Crown and Winterfell because hoping for the best is not a deterrent. Not really. You think if Earth was invaded by aliens and we killed all the Aliens the world powers would give up on Space defence? It would become more important, not less.
  12. Bernie Mac

    The Ending Was very conventional

    That's not true. Watch or read much fantasy from India, China or Japan? Very few white male heroes in them. Obviously in the West white male's are going to be disproportionately high, that is the largest demography that reads or watches them. Though of the main characters of this series Arya, Sansa and Dany have been heroes for pretty much the entire series. Dany turning heel in the last couple of series does not change that. Game of Thrones had Arya kill the Nights King, it had Cersei as the main villain of the series, it had Brienne leading the ground army. Too complain about sexism in the series is bizarre. Yeah, so many fantasy books and shows have a cripple kid become King. When will this tired trope end? Sansa is his equal, she is also a monarch. I'm not sure how this reinforces stereotypes. Trump was not a politician when the show was greenlit, nevermind when GRRM was writing the books. Bringing up Trump is a bizarre point to make. Yeah, they didn't have the power to predict that America would elect Trump to replace Obama, a black president.
  13. Bernie Mac

    Two Questions about this Episode

    Yup. Yara now knows that the North is independent, so they can't expect protection from Westeros nor can Yara expect to be condemned for attacking another realm. Another realm that has lost tens of thousands of soldiers. The Ironborn are going to have an open season on the Northern coast and Sansa will either have to look weak and ask for help from Westeros or suffer the consequences. Bran can't have kids and now the other Wardens don't need a blood claim to be King. A marriage alliance between two of the major Houses will ensure control of the realm and once in power they can engineer it that their loyalists amass more power and more voting rights. In a few decades time the heirs of Tyrion and Bronn will be will be jointly ruling the realm. So he knew Dany was going to decimate Kings Landing? What a dick. But I'm not sure he can. The greenseer abilities can predict the future, but they are not clear and they come in dreams. He can see everything in the past thanks to being the three Raven but the future are via his dreams. Two guys in Night Watch getup escorted Jon to the North. There clearly is a Night Watch in the show, they are likely much, much smaller and are in zero position to stop the Wildlings doing what they please, but they exist.
  14. Bernie Mac

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    Robert gave his brothers too much power and in turn they both rebelled against the throne. The guy went hunting instead of dealing with Starks and Lannisters fighting in the streets of Kings Landing and the Riverlands. The realm is hardly on the up and up, Bran just gave a third of its land away without a fight. Kings who increase the size of the kingdom are lauded, Kings who decrease the size of the kingdom are belittled. Because he usurped the throne from the rightful heirs to the throne, Viserys and Dany. He's a usurper.
  15. Bernie Mac

    The Ending Was very conventional

    Who was in a wheel chair. A cripple king is not conventional. The rulers of Westeros at the end of the series was a Cripple, a dwarf, the first ever female knight and two commoners turned nobles. The North also got its first ever female ruler. The Reach is ruled by a commoner. Sure. Social change at that level takes decades, maybe centuries. It does not happen overnight, incremental change is how societies progress. That's not true. The unsullied left, we have no idea about the remaining Dothraki. It was xenophobic to begin with, Sansa did not establish it. She's literally the first female knight, the first female Kingsguard member, the first female Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. She's broken the traditional system of who can and can't be a knight.
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    Two Questions about this Episode

    Fanservice. Northern independence was a big thing for the show, a large part of the fanbase saw Robb as the hero of the first few series. It appeases both Robb and Sansa fans by making her a ruler and equal to her brother Bran. No one believed in the Others before a few seasons ago, and yet the Watch existed. It has existed for centuries regardless of the existence of Others. Also if we were invaded by aliens and managed to kill them all that would not put an end to space defence, it would increase it. No one has any idea what the Others really were, if there are any more out there or if they could one day return. The Watch is probably more important now than it was in season one. The Wildlings culture has not changed, they still believe in taking what they want, they've been enemies of the North for thousands of years. Some of those tribes are likely to revert to their former selves pretty quickly.
  17. Bernie Mac

    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    The Master of Coin has a staff, he'll have other people do it, he'll simply oversee it. I doubt he'll be the first Small Council member who could not read or delegated most of his responsibilities to his underlings.
  18. Bernie Mac

    Strongest Lannister Vassal

    How will the marriage to the Hightowers and Redwynes not last? Which has nothing to do with Balon marrying a Harlaw 20 -30 years ago. What point are you actually trying to make here? And? Yes, it is. What does this have to do with you making up a 'golden rule' that does not exist. Its not a golden rule, kings/Lords have frequently married members of the Houses of their strongest vassals. That's just a fact. Again, what exactly is your point. How does this connect to your original point that there is some golden rule about not marrying into the Houses of the most powerful vassals? eh? You know for a fact that they've never married into House Manderly or Hornwood? Can you cite your reference here? No, it didn't. His wife cuckolding him and his brothers rebelling caused problems for his legacy, him marrying into a powerful House did not. Again, what is your point here? Quentyn Martell did not think there was some golden rule stopping him from marrying a Yronwood. Not down to Tywin he was not. Hardly, Where are you getting this shit? He was a feared solider who Tywin used to do his bidding due to how effective he was. Did they? Care to cite the books to back this up? You do, then it may interest you to know that Tywin's great grandmother was a Brax. House Lannister also don't seem to have cared for this 'golden rule' you made up.
  19. Bernie Mac

    No one really cares about KL massacre

    Arya was affected by it. Before that she was an assassin, mostly interested in her need for revenge. Walking through the city seeing the collateral damage of Dany's need for revenge makes her let go of this, she's able to turn away from perusing Cersei and actively tries to help people flee. She regains her humanity. Jon too seems to be affected by it, similar to the effect Robert's Rebellion had on his 'father' Ned, Jon wants nothing more than to return to his home (the Wall) and stay away from the memories of war. I agree about Tyrion, his betrayal of Dany had been building since the Tarly's, it was always going to happen regardless of Dany's destruction of Kings Landing. Him rejecting being her Hand was nothing more than him jumping before he was about to be pushed, making a big scene like he did at his trial. Its simply part of his character. The destruction of Kings Landing did not affect him, maybe because he'd seen it on a much smaller scale at the Battle of Blackwater or more likely because he's always been a pretty selfish character with little empathy for anyone but himself and other misfits he identifies with. He enjoys the 'game', I think its actually in his character to move on quite quickly from this tragedy. Davos is the strangest one. You'd think the war being over, the loss of his children, the amount of carnage he'd seen first hand in the years he'd want nothing more to be done with a political life and he'd fundamentally be changed as a person, actually be with what remains of the family he's not seen in 6/7 years. Davos' is unchanged from series 2. If anything he's more jovial.
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    Gendry?!

    The Baratheons are the next in line if all Targaryens are dead or exempt from inheriting. His claim should not be from Robert but from his great grandmother. Obviously I'd imagine that Lords would scoff at someone born a peasant be made King and refuse him on that principle, but then they happily elected a cripple with no claim to the Throne. Bran was a main character, Gendry a secondary one so its obvious why one was chosen above the other, but even going on Tyrion's justification of 'who has the better story' the peasant becoming Prince is the better story than Bran's confusing one about going North, sitting in a cave and coming home. The average Westerosi is not even going to understand Bran's story. Gendry's is a staple of literature in any civilization.
  21. We know that, his family know that. Do the majority of people know that? Even the Northern and Vale lords at Winterfell are not really going to be aware of that. He's the creepy kid in a wheel chair who barely speaks sense. The line 'Bran's the three eyed raven' is mumbo jumbo to pretty much every Westerosi lord, we the viewers who have followed Bran's journey are still not entirely sure what on earth it means and we've seen his importance and journey. Bran being elected king in the show is pure fanservice. Not saying the books will be any different, but from the episodes we've seen him being accepted as King seems unlikely. The prevailing view in the first season by the average Westerosi, including the monarch, was he was better of dead than a wretched cripple.
  22. Bernie Mac

    Strongest Lannister Vassal

    That is not a Golden rule, its an idiotic one. Mace married a Hightower, its done him no harm, its strengthened his House. His mother was a Redwyne, the second strongest Vassal, and also strengthened his House. Balon Greyjoy married into his most powerful vassals, the Harlaws, it did him no harm. This is a golden rule that exists in your head, not in the middle ages. Hoster simply did not like Walder, but we know he was willing to marry his brother to a Frey but the Blackfish. This rule you made up does not exist. We have zero idea if the Martells follow it with the Yronwoods. Quentyn is either a paedophile or he suspected him marrying a Yronwood was acceptable at some point. I want to go back to Yronwood and kiss both of your sisters, marry Gwyneth Yronwood, watch her flower into beauty, have a child by her Addam was raised at Casterly Rock, the Cleganes are not on the same level. I'd say the Brax are slightly above the Marbrands given Tyrion's introduction, and need to impress, the Dornish party "Let me present Ser Flement Brax, heir to Hornvale. Lord Gyles of Rosby. Ser Addam Marbrand, Lord Commander of the City Watch. Jalabhar Xho, Prince of the Red Flower Vale. Ser Harys Swyft, my uncle Kevan's good father by marriage. Ser Merlon Crakehall. Ser Philip Foote and Ser Bronn of the Blackwater, two heroes of our recent battle against the rebel Stannis Baratheon. And mine own squire, young Podrick of House Payne." The names had a nice ringing sound as Tyrion reeled them off, but the bearers were nowise near as distinguished nor formidable a company as those who accompanied Prince Oberyn, as both of them knew full well." Given Addam's status as Lord Commander, he'd be expected to be listed first if Marbrand and Brax were equal status, both being heirs of their respective Houses (Addam being the guaranteed heir while Flement merely a younger brother to boot, recently made heir).
  23. Bernie Mac

    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    Tend to agree, I assume Jon will end up back at the Wall. The people of Westeros have no idea what the Others are, if there are more of them out there, how they came into existence in the first place. The Watch, whether the Wall is intact or not, is going to remain and become heavily funded by the realm. If Earth was invaded by aliens and we managed to survive and win the leaders of Earth are not suddenly going to give up on Space defence, more money would spent on it. I agree. I doubt it will last in the show. GRRM can end it like that in the books, but the world he has established means that the reader can take it for granted that such a system is not going to last or at the very least be abused by a smaller group of powerful Houses to remain in power. Given Pycelle was a very young man when appointed I don't have a problem with Sam becoming Archmaester as soon as he becomes a Maester given his connections. Also him having a mistress is not a game changer unless a very religious King/Hand is appointed. If she marries again. We may be seeing another Jeyne Arryn/Elizabeth analogue. I have no problem with Coldhands or another similar being carrying Bran back to the Wall. Would he? Madness is not necessarily the problem, others thinking she has gone too far and needs to be stopped is. I can see that happening, especially if she loses two of her Dragons, and many of her supporting cast from the last few books. Cersei was not mad in the first book, questionably not so in the second or most of the third but the loss of both Joffrey and Tywin turns her into a paranoid mess. It does not take an entire book, it takes loss and being put into certain situations that send her over the edge.
  24. Maybe the won't in the future. The new Martell Lord is likely a second or third cousin, with not the same hold on Dorne as his cousin and not in a position to simply leave ASAP without consulting his Lords. It may even be that he was not next in line and only got the seat due to the support of the Crown, needing them to back him up. Yara makes no sense, but I'm guessing they needed someone to speak up in defense of Dany. Edmure and the Vale Lords were not going to do so and they likely did not want to have one of the 'extra's' do it. I doubt the North cares. Sansa does though, for the last two series Northern independence has been one of the central themes to her story. As the voice of the North at that council she got to request what she wanted. She may not have been so bold if it was not one her brothers or Tyrion put in charge, but she can expect peace with Bran and Tyrion ruling the realm. More importantly why would they accept a cripple who his own subjects are calling him 'The Broken'. His small council is a hated kingslayer Dwarf as Hand, a female Lord Commander of Kingsguard, Sam, a joke among the Reach nobles and two former criminals who were born peasants. This is a crown that is going to be challenged often.
  25. Bernie Mac

    The Six Kingdoms

    Outside of Sam I doubt there was any representation from the Reach and Westerlands. They were the losers in this war, sending potential hostages or victims so soon to Kings Landing will not have been a wise move to make given the bloodshed.
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