~DarkHorse~

I agree. Jon is my favourite character, so it pains me to say it, but post episode 2 he has been portrayed as a terrible leader, let alone ruler. He was not a king once in any of his scenes with Daenerys. He was just an individual with a fancy title, to give him equal footing with Daenerys. The main problem is that the Northerners were alienated from him and vice versa. Yes, Daenerys proved herself to him, but only to him. There should have been other Northerners to back him up. This was an important diplomatic mission for the North. Where were his soldiers to protect him? Why did he not bring a Northern Lord or two to give him counsel? He only had Davos, apparently (who is not a northerner). He never sent a raven to Sansa once, or even stopped by Winterfell on his way to Eastwatch and then back South again. He pledged himself to Daenerys because of his feelings for her, as opposed to the politics of the situation. The North was not involved in this at all. Only him. He also went on a reckless mission that he knew could get him killed, but failed to tell the North or set up any plans for what should happen if he dies (e.g. will, heir, demands), which could potentially plunge the North into instability. He was King in name alone this season. When you view him as a representative over thousands of people, instead of an individual, then he is a selfish and reckless jerk, who does not take his position seriously. It is a real shame because in the books, Jon's ADWD arc showed that he has the wits and pragmatic skillset to be a good ruler. He is capable of being harsh and manipulative when he needs to be (see: forcing Gilly to switch her kid with Mance's) and he is capable of negotiating with a ruler by going toe to toe with them and getting a good deal himself (see: his dealings with Stannis). Instead, the show has stripped away his political nuance and reduced him to underdog morally pure Ned Stark junior, with wicked sword skills. He is supposedly a worthy King because he is a good guy and impressive individual, as opposed to actually being an effective leader that makes the best use out of the situation he is in and the resources around him.

Not an agent...yet, but a wannabe. I see him as being like the Joker, "some men just want to watch the world burn." He wants to be a god. Personally, I think that makes him a very interesting villain, far from cartoonish or simply a mad man. Anyway, you should check out PoorQuentyns theories on Euron if you haven't already. Check out their Euron tag on their blog. These are some of PQ's best Euron theories: Euron and the Eldritch Apocalypse Euron is the new Night's King Euron is the rogue student of Bloodraven: Evidence basically he is the anakin to bloodravens Obi-Wan, while Bran is the Luke (I am simplifying this, but you get the gist) Possible pointers on the show that point towards this theory

Well, if it hadn't been for Shireen, he would not have been able to read the 'TRAITOR' sign and get a full grasp of the situation.

If they wanted to include Dorne for the 'female empowerment' they could have just cut the Sandsnakes and included Arianne and the queenmaker plot. I would have rather had the adventures of Darkstar than the show Sandsnakes. The problem is that it was illogical. Period. It did not even make sense within the shows verse. I have unsullied friends who can't wrap their heads around Oberyn's vengeance being the slaughter of his other sibling and nephew (the whole point of him being pissed about Elia). I thought this was a good episode, but the Dorne plot is dead. I am just going to ignore it. It is hands down the biggest disappointment of the show so far (followed by Sansa's arc last season).

He is the third head of the dragon. I saw this on tumblr: http://thesleepyhousewife.tumblr.com/post/143359562081/i-dont-care-how-far-i-have-to-reach-to-tell But yeah, they seemed to be emphasizing the blood stain with Davos looking back at it.

Has anyone saw this masterpiece yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rEvyOct7YE F*ck you Olly! :lmao:

I can't see Jon remaining with the Nights Watch after that. In the books there were only a handful of people involved and they showed some remorse, on the show there were about 16 men involved. How can he remember all of their faces to execute them all? The only NW brother (not just an extra) that is not against him is Edd. There is no one else on Jon's side, they have been cutting away with them all so I can't see Jon remaining in the Castle Black setting. I think Mel and Davos will get Jon out of there and he will be taking on the Boltons/Littlefinger (?) next season with Sansa. He will enter the political game (D&D have probably been desperate for this) but will continue sticking with his goal to 'protect the realms of men' but it won't be as the LC of the NW. Jon and Sansa will be avenging the Starks next season. In the books I think it will be Stannis who defeats Roose and/or Ramsay but D&D have probably given this to Jon.

It is so stupid! :bang: :bang:

The Selyse picture was real!!! The Jon one probably was too then!

Hopefully

I'm worried about FTW now. It looks like Jon won't break his vows for the people he loves (Ned, Robb and Ygritte) but he will break them because Stannis needs his help....?

Davos is an honourable man, he will do better on Team Stark/Snow.

Hopefully, Stannis has nothing to do with it in the books, though!

There it is. Shireen will be burning for her kings blood in the books.

I haven't seen it yet, but this was posted on IMDb. It is from 'Inside the episode' -