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  1. ~DarkHorse~

    Why is Jon so Attractive...

    Also, there is a pattern in the books when it comes to physical appeal and temperament. Characters that are sombre in personality, tend to be regarded as uninspiring, if not unattractive. (unless, you are Rhaegar, of course). Ned: Ned was shorter and plainer of face, and so somber. He spoke courteously enough, but beneath the words she sensed a coolness that was all at odds with Brandon, whose mirths had been as wild as his rages (Catelyn V, ASOS) "Brandon was different from his brother, wasn't he? He had blood in his veins instead of cold water. More like me." (Catelyn VII, ACOK) Stannis: Maester Cressen blinked. Stannis, my lord, my sad sullen boy, son I never had, you must not do this, don't you know how I have cared for you, lived for you, loved you despite all? Yes, loved you, better than Robert even, or Renly, for you were the one unloved, the one who needed me most. (prologue, ACOK) "Those swords are sworn to Renly. They love my charming young brother, as they once loved Robert . . . and as they have never loved me." (prologue, ACOK) Quentyn: Frog, the squire, was the youngest of the three, and the least impressive, a solemn, stocky lad, brown of hair and eye. His face was squarish, with a high forehead, heavy jaw, and broad nose. The stubble on his cheeks and chin made him look like a boy trying to grow his first beard.(Daenerys VII, ADWD) Prince Quentyn was listening intently, at least. That one is his father's son. Short and stocky, plain-faced, he seemed a decent lad, sober, sensible, dutiful … but not the sort to make a young girl's heart beat faster. (The Discarded Knight, ADWD) Jon is never labeled as being plain or physically unappealing, but he does have the sullen label attached. The bastard was a sullen boy, quick to sense a slight, jealous of Theon's high birth and Robb's regard for him. (Theon I, ACOK) He had the Stark face if not the name: long, solemn, guarded, a face that gave nothing away (Tyrion II, AGOT) I danced with you and your brother both. He was very courteous and said that I danced beautifully. You were sullen. My father said that was to be expected in a bastard.(Jon IX, ADWD)
  2. ~DarkHorse~

    Why is Jon so Attractive...

    I am not a fan of Jon and Daenerys becoming romantically involved either, but the show only confirmed what the books have been hinting at for years. I am sure that it will be written much better in the books, at least. It was extremely off putting on the show. Daenerys dreams of a lover and Jon seems to fit the bill, here: Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow (Daenerys II, ASOS) The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain. (Melisandre, ADWD) Daenerys has....well, lets say a peculiar taste in men, but I am sure that she will find Jon attractive enough.
  3. ~DarkHorse~

    Why is Jon so Attractive...

    This. Daenerys will shed more light on Jon's physical appearance and tell us how attractive he is supposed to be, when we see him from her pov. Hopefully, we can get a description of Jon that allows distinction and originality in his appearance, outwith the convenient 'carbon copy of Ned' take. (But then again, grrm has never been the most imaginative with his genetics, so...I am not holding my breath). Personally, I do not care about Jon being plain (the divine in the mundane etc.) but I want it to be because he is described as plain, not because Ned is.
  4. ~DarkHorse~

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I agree. Jon is my favourite character, so it pains me to say it, but post episode 2 he has been portrayed as a terrible leader, let alone ruler. He was not a king once in any of his scenes with Daenerys. He was just an individual with a fancy title, to give him equal footing with Daenerys. The main problem is that the Northerners were alienated from him and vice versa. Yes, Daenerys proved herself to him, but only to him. There should have been other Northerners to back him up. This was an important diplomatic mission for the North. Where were his soldiers to protect him? Why did he not bring a Northern Lord or two to give him counsel? He only had Davos, apparently (who is not a northerner). He never sent a raven to Sansa once, or even stopped by Winterfell on his way to Eastwatch and then back South again. He pledged himself to Daenerys because of his feelings for her, as opposed to the politics of the situation. The North was not involved in this at all. Only him. He also went on a reckless mission that he knew could get him killed, but failed to tell the North or set up any plans for what should happen if he dies (e.g. will, heir, demands), which could potentially plunge the North into instability. He was King in name alone this season. When you view him as a representative over thousands of people, instead of an individual, then he is a selfish and reckless jerk, who does not take his position seriously. It is a real shame because in the books, Jon's ADWD arc showed that he has the wits and pragmatic skillset to be a good ruler. He is capable of being harsh and manipulative when he needs to be (see: forcing Gilly to switch her kid with Mance's) and he is capable of negotiating with a ruler by going toe to toe with them and getting a good deal himself (see: his dealings with Stannis). Instead, the show has stripped away his political nuance and reduced him to underdog morally pure Ned Stark junior, with wicked sword skills. He is supposedly a worthy King because he is a good guy and impressive individual, as opposed to actually being an effective leader that makes the best use out of the situation he is in and the resources around him.
  5. I really don't see how GRRM can develop a romance between Jon and Arya in the current timeline, with only two books left. With the 5 year gap, it could have worked. In that case, Arya would be a young women when she meets Jon again, rather than a girl barely grazing puberty. Added with the "little sister" stigma, the young age of Arya would mark any attraction Jon has to her as not okay. The fact that she also idolizes him, puts power in Jon's hands, allowing him to take advantage of that. He would be the adult and her the child. It would be unhealthy. In the original plan, Arya and Jon also spent more time together. Most of their story consists of battling their feelings for each other, allowing the romance to develop, rather than taking a U-turn. In the books, Jon and Arya still have much to do before reuniting and I doubt their stories will be explicitly tied to each other when they do. Their relationship is so pure. I would hate to see it tainted with incest. I don't care if they are really cousins, they constantly think of each other as brother and "little sister." It would still be mental sibling incest, if not actual blood incest. I really hope GRRM doesn't take this path, it would be one incest too many in my opinion. It is at a Jaime/Cersei level of creepy incest, rather than a Dany/Jon, or to a lesser extent Jon/Sansa, due to the age difference and close relationship they share as siblings. Each to their own, though. Everyone has their own interpretations and it is fiction after all. I won't shame anyone for rooting for this. I just really can't, unless Arya is older.
  6. ~DarkHorse~

    [TWoW Spoilers] Aeron I (Balticon)

    Not an agent...yet, but a wannabe. I see him as being like the Joker, "some men just want to watch the world burn." He wants to be a god. Personally, I think that makes him a very interesting villain, far from cartoonish or simply a mad man. Anyway, you should check out PoorQuentyns theories on Euron if you haven't already. Check out their Euron tag on their blog. These are some of PQ's best Euron theories: Euron and the Eldritch Apocalypse Euron is the new Night's King Euron is the rogue student of Bloodraven: Evidence basically he is the anakin to bloodravens Obi-Wan, while Bran is the Luke (I am simplifying this, but you get the gist) Possible pointers on the show that point towards this theory
  7. ~DarkHorse~

    [Spoilers] EP601

    Well, if it hadn't been for Shireen, he would not have been able to read the 'TRAITOR' sign and get a full grasp of the situation.
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    Is Jon's blood a dragon shape?

    There is a new blood conspiracy that I came across. If you rotate the image of the blood, so you can see it from Davos's angle (and understand what he was seeing) it looks like someone wielding a sword. Azor Ahai confirmed! Scroll down, the second picture highlights the outline. http://imgur.com/GFjrwTq
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    Is Jon's blood a dragon shape?

    In real life, perhaps. However, we must remember that it is the production team (set designers, or whatever) that are responsible for making the blood stain. It is not illogical to assume that they have a specific shape in mind when putting it into the fake snow, as opposed to it just being a random bloody mess. I personally think it looks like a dragon too. It is not too obvious, but there is a rough outline. It also looks black/red because it has mostly dried, fitting with the Targaryen colours. I think it was hinting towards Jon's blood being special (dragons blood).
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    [Spoilers] EP601

    If they wanted to include Dorne for the 'female empowerment' they could have just cut the Sandsnakes and included Arianne and the queenmaker plot. I would have rather had the adventures of Darkstar than the show Sandsnakes. The problem is that it was illogical. Period. It did not even make sense within the shows verse. I have unsullied friends who can't wrap their heads around Oberyn's vengeance being the slaughter of his other sibling and nephew (the whole point of him being pissed about Elia). I thought this was a good episode, but the Dorne plot is dead. I am just going to ignore it. It is hands down the biggest disappointment of the show so far (followed by Sansa's arc last season).
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    [Spoilers] EP601

    He is the third head of the dragon. I saw this on tumblr: http://thesleepyhousewife.tumblr.com/post/143359562081/i-dont-care-how-far-i-have-to-reach-to-tell But yeah, they seemed to be emphasizing the blood stain with Davos looking back at it.
  12. ~DarkHorse~

    [Book Spoilers] EP510 Discussion

    Has anyone saw this masterpiece yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rEvyOct7YE F*ck you Olly! :lmao:
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    [Book Spoilers] EP510 Discussion

    I can't see Jon remaining with the Nights Watch after that. In the books there were only a handful of people involved and they showed some remorse, on the show there were about 16 men involved. How can he remember all of their faces to execute them all? The only NW brother (not just an extra) that is not against him is Edd. There is no one else on Jon's side, they have been cutting away with them all so I can't see Jon remaining in the Castle Black setting. I think Mel and Davos will get Jon out of there and he will be taking on the Boltons/Littlefinger (?) next season with Sansa. He will enter the political game (D&D have probably been desperate for this) but will continue sticking with his goal to 'protect the realms of men' but it won't be as the LC of the NW. Jon and Sansa will be avenging the Starks next season. In the books I think it will be Stannis who defeats Roose and/or Ramsay but D&D have probably given this to Jon.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP510 Discussion

    It is so stupid! :bang: :bang:
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    [Book Spoilers] EP510 Discussion

    The Selyse picture was real!!! The Jon one probably was too then!
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