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  1. there was plenty of fantasy on the telly in the '70s and '80s. granted it was often sort of marketed to kids.

    FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 7

    my comments are in square brackets.

    "tyrion was often an ineffective advisor, and he'd made a slew of strategic errors over the years." [you don't say.] but in scene w/ tyrion he acted as informal hand to "the true king of westeros, and for once his advice was effective, correct, and devastating." "duty is the death of love". [dany is so cartoonishly evil at this point that why is it even an issue] [also the "evil men" speech is Worst. Retcon. Ever.]

    jon didn't plan on killing dany. but when he asks about all the other ppl and she says "they don't get to choose", he realises he has to off her.

    KH: dany's the second woman he waas in love w/ who died in his arms. "this destroys him."

    in books but not show, old bear says "the things we love destroy us." this means it's deep.

    EC: "he just doesn't like women, does he? he keeps f***ing killing them." could he have had a converssation w/ me or asked my opinion? "it's like being in the middle of a phone call w/ your boyfriend and they just hang up and never call you again."

    KH: "we spent a week shooting it."
    EC: "we reshot it more than any other scene, trying to get it perfect." [DD penchant for micromanaging, which is weirdly combined w/ sloppiness]


  2. i sometimes find myself wondering what "kinda forgot" even means. she knew there was something, but couldn't quite put her fnger on it ... it was ... oh! right! the enemy. whoops.

    FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 6

    my comments are in square brackets.

    ms. emmanuel was very sad, but thinks you can understand it b/c dany's lost everyone that meant anything to her.

    dinklage: we all love dany. "and she's doing these things for the greater good." [burning a city after it had surrendered?] "when freeing everyone for the greater good, you're going to hurt innocents along the way." [that would apply if there were collateral damage, not to deliberately and lovingly mowing down civilians, including women and children.]

    hill: this shows war is futile.

    cogman: "she's a tragic figure in a very shakespearean/greek sense. [where the bleep was that?]

    dany's hitler speech wasn't too different from previous ones. "but before her rhetoric had been hypothetical and, perhaps, exaggeration?" [do you not know?] now fire and blood threat is real.

    KH: "jon was watching the speech. he doesn't know valyrian. david and dan said, 'just pretend you know it.' just the way she's speaking and whaat she's doing was telling him everything he needs to know." [this is not very coherent.]


  3. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 5

    my comments are in square brackets.

    missandei's death. ms. emmanuel thought it was cool. anderson thinks one or the other was going to go, either GW or missandei. "cruel inevitability." ms. emmanuel would have preferred a 1-on-1 scene w/ dany in season 8. mr. nutter (director) thinks b/c she's not royalty and is just a pawn, how it worked is good.

    losing missandei infuriated dany, who readied her attack. she turned to jon for love. EC: "there was just this last thread shewas holding onto, this boy." she hoped she'd finally found someone who accepted her for who she was. "and he *f***ing doesn't*."

    which led to the crud in "the bells". city bells rang surrender [davos from season 2: "i've never known the bells to mean surrender." preston pointed this out.] dany firebombs city punishing all for cersei's sins.

    ms. emmanuel: "you kind of went over the top there. i meant cersei, not, like, *everyone*."

    "committing mass murder to punish a defiant enemy has a history in the targaryen family." [no, it doesn't. not on this scale.] aegon the conqueror burnt down harrenhall and roasted everyone inside. [burning a castle is hardly comparable to burning a city!!]

    weiss: dany gave up so much "and she's looking at the red keep w/ the lannister logo [logo????] on it where her family's star of the seven [waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait ... i know you're maybe on the spot; but this is basic lore you're getting wrong], her family's birthright was taken from her by the people who have done this to her." [NOT by the ppl of KL]

    david benioff [God help us]: "and in spite of all these injustices, she tried her best to make peace w/ cersei -- and got betrayed for it." [this is just another argument *against* evil dany]

    weiss: dany sacrificed her ppl and tried to be good and jaime defected.

    benioff: ppl who would have tempered worst impulses like jorah [??; he wanted her to get a slave army] and missandei or tyrion either weren;t there or she doesn't trust them. [she was right not to trust tyrion. dany was doing good on her own initiative]

    weiss: "dozens and dozens of factors going back to her birth to what she's seeing in her eyes right now a mile away and how that made her feel, all of them stepping on the scale tilting her into a terrible decision." [this makes no sense]


  4. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 4

    the incest thing. [uncle-niece weddings were common throughout history. granted i find them squick.] EC: "it's a thing for jon, but let's just forget about that. the main thing is, we were up for the same promotion." [factitious conflict]

    EC: "she literally [??] was brought into this world going 'run!' these f***ers have f***ed everything up. [that's true in more sense than one!] there was so much she's taken on as her duty to rectify. ... suddenly these ppl were turning around and saying, 'we don't accept you.' [that was also stupid.] she's too far down the line; she's killed so many ppl already." [she has NOT killed that many ppl, as conquerors go. she's mostly killed slavers and enemies. she's never killed civilians.]

    KH: jon can't over aunt thing.

    clarke: strings being cut" for dany: jonah dies. varys suports jon [for no good reason], which made tyrion [who ratted on varys] and jon question loyalty. [why?] [this narrative makes no sense. everyone knows dany will be evil before she gives any indication thereof.]

    dan weiss: "tyrion's biggest mistake is finally daring to believe in somebody." [!!!!!!] [1. tyrion makes a LOT of mistakes. he's an idiot. 2. cynical much?]

    conleth hill: varys was always true to his word. EC: he changed colours too many times, and she'd warned him. CH: "he was effective, as always. .. it was a cool death and very dignified, and i swear the dragon thought twice about it."

    dinklage: dany's dragons are "nitroglycerin. he knew dany was going to make the wrld a better place. but he couldn't betrsy his own brother. varys was tyrion's closest friend.


  5. they were always bad at management. the explosives in morocco and hodor's permanent back injury and the chap almost falling off a cliff and so forth are from when the show was good.

    evil dany was a last minute decision. the original idea seems to have been dany accidentally setting off wildfire while burning red keep. we know tat it was widfire and not dany that was burning civilians indiscriminately.


  6. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 2

    EC: they periodically gave her notes on how to play. sometimes told them "don't tell me what to do w/ my girl. i know what to do!" she'd
    sometimes fight back. "i get that she has to be steely and unforgiving and a powerful force. but in this moment she's also a goddamned human being. so i'm going to give you that and i really pray you take that in the edit."

    [take careful note of the following]: "many others on the creative team likewise didn't have any idea that daenerys was headed for such a dark fate."

    alex graves (director): "i actually did not know we were telling the story of daenerys going the way of her ancestors. i thought we were telling the story of her *not* doing that."

    follows a summary of dany not being evil: unselfish hatred of slavery. [emphasis is off, though. see lindsay ellis and mauler's reviews, where it's shown very clearly that dany, even in the show, has good intentions and her purpose is to help the weak.] "daenerys was a character who always *preferred* to do the right thing, so long as doing the right thing didn't entirely thwart her own ambition or undermine her perceived authority to rule." [and how, pray, would not burning a city THAT HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED to the ground thwart her ambition or undermine her authority?]


  7. 8 hours ago, SeanF said:

    The mass slaughter of the smallfolk at Kings Landing, during Robert's rebellion, the rape of Elia, her murder and those of her children, the massacres in the Riverlands, were simply the acts of a man who was "lawful neutral."

    Tyrion armed the hill clans of the Vale in order to murder innocent peasants;  he destroyed men with wildfire in order to keep a man he knew to be psychopathic usurper in power, he strangled his girlfriend and murdered his father, but what a hero?

    Cersei murdered people with wildfire, and got off on torture, and was just "a girl in need of a man."

    Hanging Olly, gouging out Trant's eyes and subjecting him to slow slicing, feeding a man his sons in a pie before opening his throat and receiving orgasm as you watch him die, poisoning an entire family, feeding Ramsay to dogs and slitting a man's throat after a farcical trial are all badass.

    But, killing slave drivers, a pair of traitorous lords, and reacting"coldly" to the death of a man who just threatened to cut out your unborn child?  That's just beyond redemption.

    yes clearly an abomination. #JusticeForSlavers


  8. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 30. A LOT OF SOPHISTRY TRYING TO "DEFEND" EVIL DANY AND JUST SHUT THE BLAZES UP ALREADY, PART 1

    this is the chapter that tries to argue EVIL DANY made sense b/c not "predictable" althogh although it's also "foreshadowed and just zark off.

    it's worth remembering that GRRM has said that the thing that logically would happen based on what you have set up is what ought to happen. if you set up X, don't change to Y just to avoid being predictable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lw9eGOjYxE&t=30s

    and speaking of DRAGON DEMANDS, he proved fairly conclusively that EVIL DANY is a last-minute change. the playlist is at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxojMpX5XGoUFMyga3IHXjORsJhoxhb8B. see especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleMYE0eWg0&list=PLxojMpX5XGoUFMyga3IHXjORsJhoxhb8B&index=6

    bear all that in mind.

    and God help us, this chapter is brutal. it destroyed our souls.

    the title is "the things we love destroy us". [how deep.]

    [the chapter opens with a lengthy scenario intended to mock fans' objections to Evil Dany. the whole thing is a screaming strawman.] drogon blasts the battlements and terrified the city watch and golden company. the city surrenders and dany sits the iron throne. cersei is executed for treason. jaime takes the black. dany legitimses jon as a stark and they get married. they rule westeros peacefully. [this story makes a heck of a lot more sense than what we got.] "if only."

    this scenario is too predictable. martin would veer off in unexpected riections [which *made sense*] which were "more aligned w/ the complexities of human nature". [SHUT UP. EVIL DANY IS NOT COMPLEX!!!!!!!!]

    EC: "i cried when i read the scripts." [it's worht noting that evil dany carpet-bombing KL and massacring civilians is NOT IN THE SCRIPT. this is EC's reaction to dany *accidentally* killing some civilians on the way to the red keep, and *accidentally* setting off wildfire.] "i went for a walk and didn't come back for hours b/c i'm like 'how am i going to do this?'"

    weis: "dany's trajectory was implicit in the first season." [no it isn't. it was a last-minute decision.] viewed brother's death "w/ a stone-cold killer-like lack of affect."

    there follows a list of things that prove dany was going to be evil. [they're taken out of context and the emphasis is off b/c there are far more that are the other way.] at qarth she says she'll burn cities to the ground, she crucifies 163 masters, she promises to the dothraki they'll kill their enemies" [that's really a stretch! all conquerors do that!], and [horror scream] she burnt the tarlys. [only one of these is close to burning KL, and is only words. oh just shut up.] the tarly scene was meant to show dany's not OK. [why? jon hanged SEVERAL people including a CHILD. is HE not OK?] "but fans had spent so many years on team dragon queen that they had grown accustomed to daenerys executing her perceived eneies. [JUST SHUT THE BLUE BLEEDING BLAZES UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

    KH: "you're culpable you cheered her on." [SHUT UP.]

    bryan cogman: "there's a dangerous tendency right now to make art and popular culture feel safe for everybody." the story is meant to make you "think and question". [oh, i question, all right. i question how the bleep this makes burning KL any less utterly nonsensical, as well as offensive. YOU NEVER SET THAAT UP, STOPPRETENDING YOU DID, AND STOP PRETENDING IT'S DEEP. IT ISN'T. COMIC BOOKS ARE DEEPER THAN THIS RUBBOSH.]

     


  9. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 29. THE LONGEST HOUR AND A HALF AND I CAN'T SEE THIS RUBBISH SO BLEEAH. PART 5. DISASTER TV, conclusion

    KH "i was slightly POed i was on a dragon"

    "as williams pointed out, the cast and crew didn't have the luxury of getting sick. but, of course, some got sick anyway." [well duh. you need to ALLOW for that.]

    EC "mo-co [motion-capture] was called the infrimary b/c everybody got sick w/ a most intense flu. everybody in the room was f***ed. i was incredibly ill on the back of the dragon."

    "some said it took them six months to fully recover from filming." they "proudly" donned "i survived the long night" jackets.

    glen: "wihout getting too Method about it, it bleeds onto the screen."

    "the critical reaction to the episode was quite positive, if less effusive than the team had hoped."

    boonioff: "maybe my proudest moment from this show was when screening THE LONGEST NIGHT at the mann's chinese theatre."

    complaints about lighting. bryan cogman cites story of cinematographer on LOTR films being asked where lighting was coming from, and replying "the same place as the music." "but that was never GOT. you write a battle at night, then this is how you light it." [why?]

    complaints season needed to be longer. those who worked on it insist they could not haves shot more hours.

    should have made season 9? no b/c of "showrunners' belief that there wasn't enough story" [??] and cast and crew could only manage season 8 b/c they knew it was finale.

    bernadette caulfield: "several of our hero team members were like, 'i almost quit.'" [BUT is that b/c of the number of seasons, or the way D&D were managing?]

    NCW "if that hadn't been the last season, there would have been a mutiny halfway through the night shoots."

    BC "D&D did not hold back. they wrote the biggest that they could." they tried to reduce some things, but D&D and miguel "nope, we need it." "every dept. was stretched beyond where we should have stretched them."

     


  10. FIRE CANNOT KILL A DRAGON, CHAPTER 29. THE LONGEST HOUR AND A HALF AND I CAN'T SEE THIS RUBBISH SO BLEEAH. PART 5. DISASTER TV, continued

    bradley: "miguel was very keen on making us think in terms of our own narrative all the way through."

    "even sapochnik, who also directed ... 'the bells' reached his limit."

    bernadette caulfield: "he kept yelling 'i was supposed to have a bigger break!'

    deborah riely: "he was *so* exhausted. i was trying to get miguel to focus on making decisions for 'the bells' while he was shooting 'the long night' and he just couldn't."

    "the punishing delirium of making LONG NIGHT was compounded by director david nutter simultaneously shooting episode 4, LAST OF THE SNARKS, which *also* used the winterfell set."

    deborah riley: "we were working on 2 episodes at once. ... you're always trying to stay ahead of a moving train, and there were times i felt like the train was running over the top of us."

    bradley had to redo to look less a "bada**"

    for the blizzard fog the NK created, there was choice of CGI or fog machine. "naturally, THRONES opted for real smoke, which meant burning paraffin and fish oil inside the studio. but as they inhaled smoke day after day, crew members began coughing up fish wax. face-covering breathing masks multiplied on set. at least one crew member was taken to the hospital for an asthma attack." doors were opened periodically to let in air, and crew members would go out in cold for a break from 'the "comfort" of the studio'."

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