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  1. “At least one or two readers had put together the extremely subtle and obscure clues that I'd planted in the books and came to the right solution." This does not sound like confirmation of the common wisdom here. It looks pretty clear that the show and the books are taking very different tacks in places. Is GRRM really working on Winds of Winter or was it finished some time ago and delayed because the HBO plot is different?
  2. It was already established that Leia and Luke were brother and sister in 1983. So GRRM had all the information before the first book came out in 1996. I think a bigger problem for GRRM is likely the death of Londo Mollari in Babylon 5. Londo has a premonition that G'Kar will strangle him to death which is pretty close to Cersei's Valonquar prophecy.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    I think that counts as obvious rather than 'subtle clues'. HBO has dropped the whole fake Aegon sub-plot and the Mance/Rattleshirt glamor thing. I think they took a decoy and made it the main plot. Jon coming back from the dead was likely enough for D&D.
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    Arya character arc

    Looks to me like the whole endgame will center on WinterFell. The books and the show look set to diverge on this. Cersei looks set to go north in the show. The books strongly suggest that there is something important in the iron throne itself. Quite possibly the blades were made into Valyerian steel (or a substitute) by Drogon's breath. Arya will certainly set off to kill Cersei but I am pretty sure she won't follow through. The Hound will be there for Clegganebowl and is the younger brother of the Mountain, his entire being is defined by being the younger brother. The prophecy is 'THE valonquar', not YOUR valonquar. I can see the Hound strangling Cersei to stop Arya killing her.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    All off base. The original plan was for the unsullied to take Casterly Rock while the ships carried the Dornish forces and supplies round by sea. Tyrion did not know about the size of Euron's forces Holding the rock would have all but knocked Cersei out of the war. Which it has in effect until Euron returns. Jamie's attack on Highgarden cost Cersei her army.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    Tyrion's strategy was to use the attack on Casterly Rock to force Cersei out of Kings Landing. Makes sense. The loss of Highgarden was the result of Sam's father being a turncoat. The queen of thorns didn't have her bannermen behind her.
  7. If GRRM stuck to his original plot then Arya and Jon are not related by blood. Lyanna probably didn't exist at all until mid way through the first draft. R+L=J is only proven in the show, the books may be different and even if the show is following the books, the books are not following the outline. Jamie was originally the mad king pretty much. Tyrion may be upset at the idea that if Jon and Danny have children, the wheel will turn again. Cersei is going to get a shock then because Jamie is off to warn Jon and Danny of Cersei's treachery. And I bet that he gets to Winterfell first so that Arya and the assassin's team can head south to finish off his evil sister. I can't see any need for Cersei to know anything for this plot. Arguably she did for the previous moves against Dorne and Highgarden but that is in the past now. I am pretty sure that Tyrion understands his sister is likely to by lying but they all know that they have to go north and then fight Cersei after.
  8. Once for love in the show would be surely Doreah who betrays her to Xaro Xhoan Daxos. The empty vault bit. I suspected at the time that had been put in because in the books, the other betrayal involved a character that was cut. In the books, Danny hasn't left Essos yet. Plenty of other opportunities for betrayal. Well there is that. But also, how about we have to tell Jon so he knows he can ride dragons.
  9. Bran knows he has to tell Jon because the Three Eyed Crow showed him who Jon was at the ToJ. Obviously the TEC had a reason. Besides, Jon should know his parentage or he might end up boinking his aunt or something.
  10. We are obviously done with backstory in the show. That is all you are going to get unless HBO decides to make a show on Robert's Rebellion after the books finally come out. As far as the books go, I think it is clear that Tywin orchestrated Roberts rebellion in the same way LF orchestrated the war of five kings. And he got what he wanted. His motive being believing Aerys cuckolded him and Tyrion is his son. My suspicion is that Tyrion is his only legitimate son and it is Jamie and Cersei that are Targ bastards and that this will be the reason Jamie sits of the throne after killing the mad king, the prophecy being that the son will murder the king. Looks like we are now getting a Jamie redemption arc. Faced with a choice between his sister and fighting a zombie hoard, he chooses the latter.
  11. D&D are also about making a TV series and they clearly recognize that the plot is complex enough without additional complications. Not showing the details of Roberts rebellion means that GRRM has a huge amount of material that will be new in the books. Exactly, Gilly was proof-reading the copy Sam made. Yup, there are all sorts of reasons why R+L=J is a silly solution. It is far too obvious for a start. There is no suspense or surprise. We are pretty much told about it in book 1 in the fever dream. It is a solution that is entirely based on modern 21st century ideas. And that is what D&D are serving up. There are a whole sequence of missing pieces in the TV series, all of which are obviously important in the books.
  12. I am certain that we will get an extensive backstory on all that in the books. Further, I think that Tywin plays the LF role in causing Robert's rebellion, setting Areys against Rhegar and then the Starks and Baratheons, all to put his grandchildren on the Iron throne. But D&D are probably right not to go there. At least not now. I think the book will be very different and tie everything together in a very different way. All we have got in the show is we know that Robert's rebellion was based on a lie. But we did not get the prophecy that drove Rheagar.
  13. I think it likely D&D don't want to get into the backstory any more than they have to. There are plenty of signs that the book story is a lot more complex than the show. By the time show Jon is born, Rheagar is dead and so are his other two children. So calling the new child Aegon is not really replacing the others.
  14. Well it could be because Tyrion has betrayed Danny to Cersei. But I think it more likely that he knows that his sister cannot be trusted and will break her word. I seem to recall that she was engaged and then called it off. Was Gilly reading the original manuscript or Sam's copy?
  15. From the show. First thing that the TEC says to Bran in the cave is that he has been waiting for him. Then the series of interactions make it clear that he knows that Bran's arrival will lead to his death.
  16. We have seen several trials in the series. The North pretty much goes for the summary justice method. Baelish admitted one murder, that was enough. The Lords of the Vale hate him, they know what he did to Sansa. It is clear that the old three eyed crow could see the future. The issue for Bran would be that if he sees the future, it becomes fixed and cannot be changed. So it is a big risk to do that.
  17. I thought so. But there is so little Valyrian steel that maybe not worth mentioning. The hound would have known the mountain was Cersei's zombie guard ahead of the meeting. I don't think so because Baelish was trying to murder Arya at the time. Maybe. I doubt there is much left for their plot arcs. Stannis was killed on screen. We saw Brienne swing the sword. Even then people would not believe that he was dead.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    Littlefinger says his goal is to sit on the Iron Throne with Sansa at his side. So I think we can be sure 1) that happens and 2) LF is not going to like it. I did think it was Sansa going to give him the stabby stabby while he sits on the throne. But maybe it is Arya-as-Sansa
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    Can Jon Get Burnt?

    Danny is immune to fire, Jon seems immune to ice.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    The number of people who think that they can make themselves look big by running the episode down is ridiculous. Don't like it, don't watch. If I wanted high culture, I would go to Beyreuth. This has always been a silly program with dragons and swords and that is what I like. As for plots being unbelievable because character 'would not do that', well yes they do in real life.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    Because Brienne would protect Arya if Sansa tried to kill hjer.
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    [Spoilers] EP706 Discussion

    Its not his knee she is after and she don't want it to bend.
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    [Spoilers] EP705 Discussion

    I did wonder about the wording. Was it Cersei's or Sansa's? Either way, Arya knows that Sansa was captured and can guess it was written under duress. One complication being that Arya has not had any real experience of plots. Her approach has been to kill people dead as a precaution. Also, did people notice the line 'how many queens?'. There are four in the books at one point. So it would not really be surprising if Sansa becomes QITN.
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    [Spoilers] EP705 Discussion

    D&D had to move him on before Horn Hill became vacant or else it would stand to reason he could best help Jon by taking his place there. At this point, the Nights Watch doesn't exist in any meaningful form. We don't know if it was before the mad king disinherited Rheagar. It may not have concerned him. The polygamy thing is nonsense, always was. It certainly won't be in the books. Folk peddling that are the same folk who think Stannis wouldn't burn Shireen. It was obvious she was a gonner when Red Mel burned the idols.
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