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  1. Panos Targaryen

    Should the Andal vs First Men conflict be more bitter?

    Probably cause the concepts race and nationalism haven't yet emerged in the world of ASOIAF. Give it 100-200 years, and a northern identity will come to existence. Religious wars between the old gods and the Faith of the Seven will also most likely happen around then. Keep in mind that in real life the European wars of religion didn't happen until 1568, almost 100 years after the end of the middle ages, and imo Westeros isn't even in the late middle ages yet. My prediction for the future of the North is that it will eventually become an independent nation, but much like Christianity in real life, the Faith of the Seven will some day be the official religion of this "new North". It seems to me from our history that much like governments, religions tend to grow and centralize. After a point in history it becomes impossible for multi-religious countries to exist.
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    Evidence that Westeros is a post-apocalyptic world?

    I get your point, but if you were to take it to its ultimate analysis, then the fact that the characters speak English period (and we know they do cause the rhymes, wordplay etc. that they use wouldn't work otherwise) could be taken as proof that it's a post-apocalyptic word. After all, how could the words "knight" or "king" exist in Planetos unless the Old English word cniht existed first, or the Germanic cyning. And Latin, Proto-Germanic and other languages? After all, the "English" that they speak in Planetos must have evolved somehow. And what about ancient Greek words like philosophy and chaos, that we also see in ASOIAF? Tolkien got over this by making his own languages from scratch, and explaining in detail the languages in his universe that sound exactly like Old English and Modern English. GRRM is a great author, but he definitely didn't put as much attention to world-building like Tolkien did (and he admits it). I don't often use this phrase, but I wouldn't think too much about it.
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    Best place to discuss my future history of Westeros project?

    First thing I did was to correlate the years of Planetos to the years of our history, to have an idea of the technological level and historical developments for each century, so that I know which periods of our history to base each era of my timeline on. I defined the end of Second War for the Dawn (308) as the year 1254, which is also the beginning of Daenerys' and Jon's co-rule. It marks the end of the High Middle Ages for Westeros, and the beginning of the Late Middle Ages, with the Early Modern Period beginning around 550-600. So I've settled on: 300: 1250 350: 1275 400: 1300 450: 1350 500: 1400 550: 1450 600: 1500 650: 1550 700: 1600 750: 1650 800: 1700 850: 1725 900: 1750 950: 1775 1000: 1800 1050: 1850 1100: 1900 1150: 1950 1200: 2000 1250: 2050 1300: 2100 To make the years work, in some centuries the cultural and technological development rate is halved. In 300-400 that is due to the damage caused by the war of five kings, long winter, second war for the dawn, the last long winter Planetos will ever experience, and rebellions and wars in the early decades of Dany and Jon's reign. Also a delayed Enlightenment in the years 800-1000. For now I am still working on the list of monarchs of the restored Targaryen dynasty, from 300-600 (end of the Middle Ages). This "kinglist" is essential to me writing the timeline in detail, as I have to know where each reign begins and ends. I am using an Excel table, with the columns being the name of the monarch, their year of birth, year of death, age upon coronation, age upon death, and length of reign. Through the use of formulas, all that information is auto-filled, being dependent on what I set as the reign lengths and years of birth (the only information I have to think about). I've been having a pretty hard time making the reign lengths and birth years such that I don't constantly have monarchs a) Ascending to the throne aged 40-50 years old all the time b) Dying at historically unrealistic old ages c) Having their children/heirs at too old an age by pre-modern standards I haven't been able to figure it out yet, and I honestly don't understand how it worked in real life history, cause the math just doesn't add up. Daenerys having a long reign leads to her having a 55 year old son ascend the throne, and this just sends time ripples across the list which fucks everything up. So, my next step is to create such tables for all the monarchs of England and France, as well as the Iron Throne monarchs from 1-298 AC, so that I can base my history's info on that. Setting that aside, I've got a pretty good general idea of what "chapters of history" each era corresponds to: 300-400: Golden Age of Queen Daenerys and King Aegon VI (Jon Snow), centralization begins as Hand of the King and Queen Tyrion Lannister reforms the royal government, and the Iron Throne begins to use "Great Councils", committees composed of all the great lords, septons, maesters and legal scholars of Westeros. These essentially become permanent by the end of D&J's grandson's (King Viserys III) reign. 400-550: Tensions rise between the Iron Throne and the Great Councils, culminating in a civil war which officially establishes the Westerosi Parliament. 550-750: Parliamentary era. The modern Kingdom of Westeros and Westerosi nationalism are established in this era. 750-770: As colonization increases the government's wealth, and creates a source of wealth for the crown not dependent on Parliament-approved taxes, a rapid growth of royal power occurs. The Parliamentary system breaks down. After a really tyrannical and incompetent king, a massive civil war causes once again the Targaryens to lose the throne and become exiled. Westeros becomes an oppressive and corrupt republic, a la Cromwell. Prince Aegon eventually takes the throne after years of living in exile, dissolves Parliament and declares absolute monarchy as King Aegon XII. 770-950: Absolutist era. 980: Westeros defeats the Kingdom of Braavos, biggest power in Essos, and establishes its supremacy as the dominant world power of Westeros-Essos. The Valyrian Empire is established. 1000-1100: The industrial age. Westeros' "imperial century". The Targaryens, holding the titles Kings of Westeros and Valyrian Emperors, rule an advanced, powerful and world-spanning Empire. 1100: Similar trends to the early 20th century. Modernism begins to make monarchies ineffectual, liberalism and nationalism begins a slow and gradual dismemberment of the Valyrian Empire, and newly-emergent powers begin to chip away at the Targaryen empire's power and influence. 1130: World War 1. 1160: World War 2. At its end, the beginning of the 100-year long Cold War between the Socialist Republic of Central Westeros and x country (haven't decided yet) and their allies and satellites. 1300: Targaryen restoration, end of historical account. Basically, the history of Westeros roughly resembles England in the late middle ages, France in the early modern period, the British Empire in the late modern period, and then in the end Russia in its "20th century". And yes, this is a massive Targaryen wankfest
  4. Panos Targaryen

    Best place to discuss my future history of Westeros project?

    Never heard of him, but I checked him out, and what he's doing is similar to what I want to do. Thanks for the suggestion!
  5. Hey everyone. I've had this pet project for the past few months, where I've been creating a history of Westeros from the years 308 (end of the wars for me) to 1300 (analogous to the end of our 21st century). No stories, just the setting in which stories could take place, with a rough timeline of all the historical events, list of future monarchs, territorial changes, wars etc. Heavily inspired by real life history, it covers the late middle ages (300-600), early modern period (600-900), late modern/imperial period (900-1100), and contemporary era (1100-1300). There are certain things I'd like to discuss about the lore with people who may be more familiar with the background history of ASOIAF, and real life history, to make my timeline as realistic/plausible as possible. Does this count as fanfiction, and therefore not allowed in this forum? If so no problem, I'd just like to know.
  6. Panos Targaryen

    Slavoj Zizek on the ending

    My personal analysis and interpretation of Game of Thrones and ASOIAF is to pretend it's "real history" set in a world similar to ours, with similar factors affecting the progress of history, development of the economy through the ages etc., and which happens to be going through a period analogous to our Middle Ages. Eventually they will end, Westeros will go through an early modern period, industrial revolution, experience the emergence of nationalism etc., with its political systems and social mores following a similarly "realistic" development. Therefore, any attempts by people to inject to it their personal leftist revolutionary Marxist ideals are dismissed by me. There's 0 obligation for the story to conform to our modern morals and ideological paradigms, and imo it's selfish and entitled to expect it to. Also, indicative of a lack of understanding on how to write a good realistic story set in a medieval-like period, as well as real-life history.
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    The Reconstruction of King's Landing

    It took 50 years to build the Red Keep, and 55 years for KL to have all its major buildings, sewers etc. completed. So fucking ridiculous.
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    Loose ends

    Sansa could have just as easily rallied the Northern forces. She even came on the verge of usurping Jon, when the northern lords were displeased with him swearing fealty to Daenerys and they were pressuring her to become Queen. Getting the wildlings to side with them against the WW, maybe, but realistically how much did they really contribute to the total of the forces that fought them? From what was established in the 4th season, the wildlings had few healthy fighting age men, and were mostly civilians.
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    Loose ends

    What important plot points from the show remained unresolved by the end? I don't just mean stuff that would have been cool or nice for fans to know, but still contribute to a good story by remaining mysterious. I mean stuff that by being unresolved violate the "laws of good story writing/narrative making". I'll start: 1) Why was Jon brought back if he played no role in the defeat of the white walkers? 2) What was the metaphysical force behind these events? What kind of power were the COtF manipulating to create the WW, how do red priests see the future etc. 3) Why did Bran become the 3-Eyed Raven? 4) What was the purpose of Dany using mysterious magical forces to "wake the dragons from stone"? What role did the return of dragons play in the grand scheme of things? and many others.
  10. I like that. Basically, any one of us can come up with a much better ending than what we got, and it wouldn't require too much thinking either
  11. Yeah, that sounds damn cool actually. I guess I should have clarified by saying "a scenario in which Bran Stark as himself becomes king".
  12. True. I'm a fan of absolute monarchy in fantasy cause typically feudalism is the only form of monarchy portrayed, so I tend to overemphasize absolutism as being the next logical step in the evolution of Westeros' system of government in my posts. But British Parliamentarianism (Tudor-style or post-English Civil War-style, not the modern democratic one) is also another realistic path they could take.
  13. Making her pregnant with Jon's child and then still having him reject her like he did in the actual show would have further added to the pressure that eventually makes her snap, so yeah something like that would have made her arc more logical too.
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