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To be fair we're 48 episodes into the story. They've been a mystery for long enough. Viewers need to understand the threat they pose and realize just how dangerous they are.
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9.5 out of 10 but I'll round up for the sake of the poll. The first 30 minutes ranged from solid to great but holy freaking hell...the entire Hardhome segment was tremendous. My expectations always feel unreasonably high and I'm often left disappointed but this absolutely shattered my expectations. The atmosphere, the intensity, the terrific mix of action and horror, the shocking moments, the new revelations, the sound effects, the music, the cinematography...bravo. I can't explain how refreshing this was. In a series that often downplays it's fantasy elements, this felt so damn awesome. Watched it in a room with a mix of book readers and Unsullied and there were countless group HELL YEAHS as well as stunned and nervous silence. I mean we had freaking Wun Wun smashing wights by the dozens with a burning beam, Jon shattering a White Walker with Longclaw, the Night's King announcing his presence in a huge way. Just speechless. Tremendous.
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[Poll] How would you rate episode 506
clawson24 replied to Ran's topic in E06: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
6/10. A real slow burner. The Sand Snakes fight fell flat so that took away the episode's one chance to get sort of high-energy. The ending was very hard to watch but the acting, set design, and overall production quality of the Winterfell wedding straight through to the end was phenomenal. Alfie Allen is phenomenal in the role and continues to be one of the best parts of the show.- 637 replies
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of those two people are spies/Bolton loyalists, but probably not both. We need something to replace the Manderly plot inside Winterfell this season as some form of Northern vengeance, and one or both of those characters will likely be a means to it.
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You seriously thought Sansa was going to be killed/mauled at this point in the story? I thought Theon right away since that's where he sleeps in the books.
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There's three known dragons in the world and two are chained up. Doesn't leave many options.
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What's so essential about the Green Grace that you'd be shocked if she was cut? We're talking about a series which has cut far more significant characters and arcs already. She's a minor character.
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8/10. Really good but not all-time great. Superb acting throughout, some really gorgeous cinematography, and each storyline that was shown had a lot of time to breathe. My unsullied friend who is usually a tough critic said he thought it was one of the 4 or 5 best episodes ever. All the stuff in Dany's storyline felt abrupt (so she's brutally executing people seemingly at random now? She's getting married without so much as one previous suggestion of it?), but everything else was pretty sweet. I'm personally excited as hell to see what comes of the Winterfell and Castle Black stories this season. Between "The North Remembers" lady and the guy that Brienne was talking to about the Starks, I'm expecting some seriously awesome Northern vengeance this season.
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While Stannis probably wouldn't say that to Shireen without her coming to him about it first, I thought it was completely in character. It wasn't like he was super emotional or gushing. He was still very reserved and calculated in what he said -- but it was obvious he cared. That's the important part.
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Beautifully acted, completely in character, touching...what more do you want? It's made pretty clear in the books that Shireen is one of the only things that Stannis actually cares about, so I'm not sure what makes you say he'd "never say that stuff". Do you seriously doubt that he loves his daughter?
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Minor observations/responses to what I've read here: I'm just as WTF about Sansa's storyline as everyone else is. Doesn't make much sense to me at the moment, but I'm actually quite excited to see where it leads. "The North Remembers" was exciting to hear on the show, but I hope it leads somewhere. The Boltons wouldn't be dumb enough to allow some Stark loyalist/sympathizer to privately and personally attend Sansa (as many have stated). GIVE US SOMETHING REMINISCENT TO THE MANDERLY SPEECH! I thought the Slynt beheading was good, not great. THAT STANNIS NOD, THOUGH! THANK HEAVENS THEY INCLUDED IT!. They are making Varys way too un-Varys like. First, his motivations get drastically reduced in complexity and spelled out in the very first episode. Now, he's bumbling around and brothel-hopping with Tyrion, then manages to lose him within about 3 minutes. There better be something substantial up his sleeve. Really interested to see what they do with Olly and Alliser Thorne. A strange hunch of mine is that Alliser actually tries to protect Jon when he gets stabbed at Season's end. Would be a fitting character reversal and character arc now that Thorne is slowly gaining more respect for Jon and Jon is treating him well. Most would expect him to be in on the assault on Jon (if Thorne's still at Castle Black), but I could see the show doing the opposite. I could also see Olly being in on the assassination attempt in some tragic way. The House of Black and White stuff was kinda meh for me. The set's looked pretty cool but the scene's were just so-so. Stoked that we'll soon to be into territory that even the leaks haven't spoiled yet.
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[Book Spoilers] EP502 Discussion
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Still can't believe Pod's pointless brothel scene(s) were given as much time on the show as Stannis' offer to Jon AND the LC election combined.- 600 replies
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Gave it a 6 but 6.5 is probably more accurate. A handful of unnecessary bits mixed in with some decent table-setting for the season. The scene with Mance and Jon and the burning were terrific acting, filmmaking, and drama, even if Mance's reasons were a bit odd.
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I wouldn't say Bloodraven was miscast, rather the VFX, costume, and art departments got the look/vibe wrong.
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Agreed. Ciaran Hinds is a terrific actor and he showed that off in his scenes as Mance (his face alone after being told he'll burn to death is proof), but Mance needed to be more vivacious and more charismatic. Mance on the show felt too beaten down and kind of hard to buy as some super inspiring leader.
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Liked Kevan and Lancel being back. Kevan will make the whole KL dynamic more interesting and I thought Lancel's newfound zealotism was well portrayed. Dany's dragons were suitably impressive and terrifying. Stannis and Davos coming across as relatively reasonable and fair in their offer and not having Stannis portrayed as a 100% outright villain as is often the case on the show (though the music and other factors still don't help). Gave a mini fist-pump when Stannis said he planned to mount Roose Bolton's head on a spike and take back the North. The Unsullied brothel scene was touching until it turned tragic. I didn't like the changes to Mance's fate (see below) but I did think all his scenes and his execution were very well acted. The various groups reactions to Mance burning was quite intense. Seeing even Tormund start to break was telling. Dislikes The prophecy scene was cheesy. If they never had any plans for flashbacks, why break that notion for this? Having Maggy be a semi-attractive thirty something with over-the-top cackling and behavior just didn't work for me. Varys's motivations suck as of now. If the show reduces him to some do-gooder who has supported Dany all along I will be completely confused and underwhelmed. Dinklage and Hill are both great but I'll be quite bored if that's all their is to their storyline at this point. Jaime's a bitch on the show, as of now. Utterly passive and still completely obsessed with Cersei it seems. Apparently doesn't even hold his Kingsguard position in much esteem. When do we get the Jaime that starts to become his own man and actually forge his own path? Mance's death was dumb as many have already laid out. He was pretty much OK with risking the fate of all his people, who he had planned to take into war against the Seven Kingdoms as whole anyway, just because he's being asked to kneel and take part in a "foreigner's war?" THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO BE MASSACRED BY THE OTHERS/WHITE WALKERS! Overall I actually enjoyed it. Slow and methodical but nothing stood out as utterly unwatchable or a dealbreaker. Kind of excited to see where they take a lot of these storylines, especially past episode 4 which many people have already leaked info about.
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I agree that it was very good TV. I don't think the episode was completely ruined because Stannis didn't appear -- in fact, I loved the episode as a whole. But I completely understand people's frustrations in having Stannis's big arrival not being allowed to stand alone as an epic episode closer and instead will likely be just one cool scene amongst many next week.
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If you think sword fighting is Jon's only good quality, I refuse to believe you've read the books.
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It's been used a bit much, but it's being used very fittingly, especially here. Being around 10 seconds away from essentially certain death at the hands of a freaking massive, terrifying giant, it'd be emboldening to know that your impending death is actually in service of something great. I'm not sure what else they could have had them do that would've communicated the same idea.
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Hoping for some notable Summer action when (and if) Bran and co. get ambushed by wights in the finale.
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In what possible way, shape, or form was the NW holding the gate against an incredibly awesome, bad-ass looking giant "laughable"? I couldn't have possibly had a more different reaction than yours I don't think.
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Because Mance and the Wildlings can continue doing that for weeks and months if they need to. The NW lost half it's men in just this episode. If even a few more were to die in each subsequent Wildling attack, the NW would be wiped out within a few weeks.
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I watch with 5 or 6 people each week -- 2 of which have read the books, the others haven't. There were copious amounts of cheering, shouting, laughing, etc. during the Giants/Mammoths intro, the build up to the Grenn/Giant tunnel encounter, Styr's death, the Scythe, etc. Was a really, really fun episode to watch with a group.
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Absolutely agreed. I thought him leading the recitation of the NW vows while a freaking 18 foot tall Giant stormed through the tunnels towards them was one of the most epic things in the show's history.
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