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  1. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Ah, I see - so we are in agreement after all. It's also funny how things come back around; in light of Ghost potentially not being part of the litter, there would then indeed be a need to have killed the mother direwolf, after all. ... and a clear affinity for the hot faction: Ghost comes to Mel when called but refuses Jon, his eyes exactly match her ruby (which just so happens to be referred to as her third eye - wow, I never caught that before, has this been discussed?), and he is literally licking her face. Mel doesn't seem surprised and explains to Jon that "warmth calls to warmth".
  2. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Exactly! And with his eyes being open, with normal pups that would mean he is up to 2 weeks older than the others. The way the direwolves think about each other (in Jon & Bran POVs) does make it seem as though they at least think they are siblings or otherwise connected. Then again, the Stark kids think Jon is their half brother and it's entirely possible that this is not the case. Hmmm. Do we dare believe this? In the same passage, GRRM claims Jon is a bastard and a half-brother to the Starks, neither of which is necessarily the case. Not to mention that Greywind never characterized Ghost as anything, given that we don't have Robb POVs.
  3. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Does it have to be the old gods using Ghost to access Winterfell? JNR makes a good point, the weirwood is the heart of the castle and the Starks have worshipped the old gods for millennia. They should already have access, and they would have sent the other 5 pups. Ghost was separate from the start; Jon thinks he crawled away but Ned ominously suggests he was driven away. Driven away by who? Surely not the blind other pups, so ... by the mother? But why? The old gods are the gods of the woods and the streams, the gods of nature. But Ghost is not natural, he is silent and apart. He was the one to discover Othor and Jaffer; if not for him, Jon and Sam would have said their vows and ridden home and the wights would have remained beyond the Wall where they belong. Perhaps most disturbingly, Ghost seems to really like Melisandre, and that certainly doesn't fit with him representing the old gods! He looks the part, certainly, but so does BR and we're not at all sure of where he stands. Long story short, I suspect Ghost was not sent by the Old Gods like the other pups; he was planted by someone/something else like a trojan wolf amid the Old Gods' gift to the five Stark children.
  4. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    This is officially my favorite new theory!!! I'm not sure about the Mel vision, but everything else fits like a glove. It's dark and unexpected and with plenty of foreshadowing - perfect GRRM style! Speaking of Jon switching back and forth, there is also this here passage, taking place in ADWD when Jon rides out to the weirwood grove for new recruits to say their vows. They encounter some wildlings who yield, then start their words: This might be a hint at what to expect if the two truly mingle in a resurrected Jon.
  5. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    What's even more curious is that in Dany's Wake the Dragon dream she is at the Trident, and her enemies are armored all in ice. She then melts them. I do agree on the ice symbolism. Jon is clearly associated with ice - in this dream as in real life. He is a Stark and is bound to a Wall of ice. In addition,despite what I said earlier I wouldn't rule out the "ice armor" being a nod toward the coat of hoarfrost we see on the wights, and thus foreshadowing his own death and continued service on the Wall. Yes, exactly! Both the eagle and then the raven are calling his name. The second is especially significant, as it occurs right as the raven is waking him up, pulling him out of this dream in which he is killing friends and family to become the lord of Winterfell. And what does the raven call him? "Snow", to remind him that he is a bastard and not the rightful lord.
  6. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    I dare say this detail slipped by just about everyone. LOL! What do you make of the sword burning in his fist? I think this was actually my quote originally, so I'll go ahead and answer. The more I think about it, the less significance I ascribe to this dream (at least the first half, on the Wall). I think GRRM may be messing with us, showing us the AA imagery we are looking for but also giving us plenty of clues that this is not what it seems. I think most of this dream is a natural reaction of Jon's subconscious to the events unfolding around him - in other words, a fairly normal dream. To begin with, the only actual AA imagery in this dream is the sword, burning red in his fist. This adds the fire element to Jon, and also gives him the red&black color combination that the RLJ fans like. HOWEVER, he is also armored in black ice, which doesn't represent dragons or wolves. The Stark colors are grey and white, not black, and direwolves don't represent ice or darkness. They are simply one of the ancient races, like COTF and giants and mammoths, not harbingers of everlasting darkness. So this black ice/burning sword combination is NOT indicative of Stark + Targaryen, IMO, nor does it point to Jon being AA who has never been associated with ice that I know of. It makes sense that he would dream of a red burning sword after Stannis has recently shown up with Lightbringer, and Mel talks about it nonstop. They are all telling him that what he really needs to fight the Others is a burning sword, so that's what he dreams about. The black ice fits too: he already wears black every day, being a brother of the Watch, so of course that's the color he sees himself in. Being armored in ice reflects the fact that he is LC (also a recent and significant event) and thereby "married to the Wall"; it is his responsibility to keep the Others out and he will use the ice wall to do it. (Which seems wrong every time I think about it, but that's another topic) We've already discussed that he feels guilty for the many people who died on both sides of the recent battle, since he is now going to let the remaining wildlings across - which means all these people, including Qhorin, Ygritte and all the rest, essentially died for nothing. So that's why he sees himself killing them; guilt and maybe a hint of doubt about what he is doing. The burning shafts and scarecrow brothers were real features of the battle at the Wall, so he is dreaming about it the way he remembers it. It all fits, he is the new LC, a 16 year old boy with an insane amount of responsibility, a heart in many conflicts, and probably more than a touch of PTSD. As he sleeps, his mind mingles his fears, guilts and doubts together with recent memories and voila, we have this weird half-memory, half-fictional scenario. [Not as fun as a prophetic dream, I know, but as a maester I feel obligated to point out that not every dream has to be prophetic. Ned dreamed of the TOJ for years, with slight alterations such as his friends becoming wraiths just as Jon's became scarecrows - but ultimately built around a traumatic memory.] That's not to say the second part of the dream is not significant, especially in light of Black Crow's super creepy but awesome new suggestion that Ghost may have had a hand in that half... the half where Jon becomes a kinslayer, a kingslayer, a turncloak and an oathbreaker - but also lord of Winterfell.
  7. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Ooooh..... this takes things to a whole other level! I've suspected for some time that Ghost is not "good", that he was planted somehow, and this confirms it. Please excuse me while I rearrange my entire world view.
  8. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Ultimately, in that instance, he chose the Watch, chose his oaths, chose his duty--and the Watch literally stabbed him in the back...and the front, and a couple other places. The dream, in which Jon still exhibits a 'hunger' for Winterfell, is one chapter before his stabbing. I don't really disagree with any of this... but I will point out that when he felt the physical "hunger" for Winterfell, he was channelling Ghost who was literally hungry and wanting to hunt. However, I completely agree that Jon wants Winterfell. Of course he does. But so far, his honor has prevailed. In addition, after he wakes from the dream in question, there is more: The dream in which he feels like he betrayed the Watch comes the day he is going to let the wildlings across the Wall. To many of his brothers, this is treason in itself, and it would be logical for his subconscious to feel guilty about this. He thinks of all the good men who died trying to prevent Mance and his host from crossing to the south, and feels responsible.
  9. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    I believe this points not only to Jon's next destination, but his motives; the men of the NW Jon is 'slaying,' in particular, representing Jon turning oathbreaker, and his slaying of Robb relating to Jon's internal struggle in ASOS when Stannis first dangled the prospect of Winterfell before Jon. I'm not sure about the oathbreaker part. All these people are already dead by the time Jon has this dream, and in the dream, he is on the Wall, defending it against "dead men". He is doing his job. However, I noticed something interesting for the first time in this quote: the fact that the attackers are shooting burning arrows up at Jon and his scarecrows, and the scarecrows light on fire. This is not consistent with a prophetic dream of an Other attack, as the Others would not use flaming arrows. In addition, it's the wights that are flammable, not the NW brothers. At least not living NW brothers... Combined with Jon being armored in ice, the imagery here is more of an ice force, led by Jon and holding the Wall, being attacked by a fire force from below. Jon is dead, reanimated and armored in ice, with "scarecrows" (wights) beside him. But again, my main point is that this dream does not fit the imagery of an attack by the Others. Whoever Jon is fighting here is someone who fights with fire.
  10. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    ..., so either that will happen, or Theon will escape, probably with his sister's help somehow, and Stannis won't have him as a resource. Or, Theon could tell them that the Stark boys are alive. The ravens and/or the tree will confirm this. I expect quite a scene when it's time for Theon's execution in front of Bran. Northmen will be there, and if the tree - or the ravens in the tree- starts communicating, they will take note. Stannis, unlike Selyse, is not truly a fanatic; he has been struggling to believe in R'hllor this whole time, and like Victarion, may be willing to 'try out' other gods if their power is sufficiently demonstrated. Mel is far away, and his magic sword isn't doing him any good. Letting his men burn people hasn't been doing him any good either. He is a pragmatist in the end, and may not dare spurning the northern gods while stranded in the snow with a mostly northern host. There is, of course, another possibility that is a little more far fetched but nonetheless possible. We've been assuming that Bran is speaking through the ravens, and we know he spoke through the Winterfell tree. So he is starting to skinchange northern creatures, both inside and outside Winterfell. This opens a lot of possibilities for Bran actively participating in the war effort. Agreed! Poor Shireen is the character not long for this world, not Stannis. I don't expect him to be involved at all, as he is simply too far away, and I don't think his faith in R'hllor is strong enough to drive him to kinslaying.
  11. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Gods I hope not! Haven't we suffered enough?! And what would they eat? (The Freys, I suppose, after fishing their corpses out of the lake... but Stannis doesn't approve of cannibalism!) This is the sort of thing Jon might know too, and that might make quite a difference in taking Winterfell, but Stannis would have no hope of knowing. Good point, but don't forget that Stannis has Theon! And Theon would have been playing with Jon and Robb as a boy ... so if Jon knows, Theon most likely knows too. If Jon and Theon don't already know, Theon is also best positioned to find out, as he is about to come face to face with a weirwood. I agree! She is in a pretty crappy spot right now, stuck on the Wall at the start of winter, with a mutiny underway and the Others approaching. Now she is about to move to the most terrifying place in all of Westeros, and she is about to learn (regardless of whether it's true) that Stannis is dead, his cause lost. I expect she will be very open to whatever Melisandre suggests to get them out of this pickle ...
  12. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Oh no.... look what I just stumbled across... (Jon, ADWD): Did they ... GULP ... cut down the weirwood??!?!?
  13. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Oh yes, I agree completely that overall, things will not work out well for Stannis. I don't expect him to ever leave the North, at least not alive. I don't expect any sort of happy ending for him. I was merely disagreeing with an earlier comment that his time was over as there was nothing left for him to do. I think he can stick around for quite a while longer and still not come out ahead. He may take Winterfell, and may even be accepted by the North. However, there is no way in hell the northmen are going to go south to win the IT for him. Luckily for him though, that's not his current goal. He seems to be aware of the threat from the north, and will make decisions accordingly. As for LF, the book and show run together for me in terms of his plans so I will limit my comments to avoid potential show spoilers. I do think it's safe to say that once Stannis holds Winterfell with Jon Snow's support and possibly Rickon, LF wouldn't be dumb enough to think he could storm it. Fifty men can hold Winterfell, and presumably Stannis would have at least that many left. IF Rickon is found, Sansa has no claim to begin with and LF is out of luck. In that case, I expect Stannis would marry Shireen to Rickon. If Rickon is not found, I wouldn't rule out a Stannis-Sansa marriage alliance (assuming Mel burned Shireen to bring Jon back, after which Stannis is done with both his fire queens and goes for the icy variety). ETA: Could it be foreshadowing that Sansa tore the head off Robert Arryn's doll and stuck it above the Winterfell gates? Or that the GOHH saw her slay a giant in a castle made of snow? Perhaps Sansa will finally see LF for who he is, and begin to play the game on her own... first by marrying Sweetrobin to gain the Vale soldiers, then by allying with Stannis after he is dead? But all I'm really saying is that there are many interesting options the Stannis arc could take. I see no reason to kill off this character anytime soon.
  14. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    The way I always pictured it was that the Manderlys would turn on the Freys once battle was joined. Stannis will use them to infiltrate Winterfell: they will return victorious and be let inside the walls. Then by night they will let in the others. Your scenario also works, but requires Jon to be resurrected quickly and for the weather to improve dramatically if he is to catch up in time. It does agree with ... other things we've seen, and would certainly make for a dramatic battle. Assuming Roose is dumb enough to face Stannis in open battle (which I suppose he might be, if only his forces are ragged enough, like in the nightmare that returns each spring). Ha! Thank you, I hadn't though about that one in a while. I do hope we get to see it, as it would be epic!
  15. MaesterSam

    Heresy 207 :skinchanging

    Hi there, Millimidget! Welcome! You make some great points!! AA was definitely involved in necromancy, as we are told that when AA reborn appears, death itself will bend the knee, and those who die in his service will rise again... Oooh I like the way you think!!! Please do elaborate on the creation of the Three-Eyed Crow! It's one of my favorite mysteries! Your second point is intriguing as well. You're not the first to suggest that NK may not have been the only LC to sacrifice to the Others, but I have not come across the idea that these sacrifices were a common occurrence or possibly a mission of the Watch. The fact that there are no weirwoods on the Wall supports the idea that it was not the Old Gods who were worshipped there - ever. Both Castle Black and the Nightfort should have giant ancient weirwoods, but they don't. Not even stumps where weirwoods have been cut down. It seems they were never planted in the first place...
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