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  1. For some reason, I tend to believe the idea would have been first floated by Davos. With Jon catching on fairly quickly and adding to it. And Dany adding the final touches (ie, Drogon).
  2. I understood the same as the bolded above. Bran would warg into birds, especially crows/ravens. Not dragons. If Bran does warg a dragon, he wouldn't need a saddle. He would be that dragon.
  3. I agree that Tyrion is not a seasoned battlefield commander. But I believe that he would and does do well with logistics and supplies and the like. What did Olenna call him? An overworked bookkeeper? Just the type to keep an army supplied and fed. As I mentioned elsewhere, lack of battlefield experience or ability doesn't appear to have anything to do with being a dragon rider. Dany herself is not a seasoned, veteran military commander, but she is a dragon rider.
  4. Thror Baratheon

    Which of Tywin's kids are his Lannisters?

    hmm...You don't have this : Jamie and Cersei are Tywin's. Tyrion is not. Tyrion may be a Targ; may be Aerys' son.
  5. Thror Baratheon

    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    And there is no indication that they did not. I'm curious -- why do you think Rhaegar would not? Honestly, I don't understand why such things could never happen in a place like Westeros. That piece of logic escapes me. The possibility that they could certainly exists, no?
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Love it! Aragorn it is!
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    This assumes that the child's name wasnt decided upon before the birth. I start with a different set of assumptions, including that Lyanna 1) did fall in love with Rhaegar; and 2) Lyanna bought into the PTWP prophecy And I see no reason to exclude the name Aegon. None at all. Referenece my comment above : 'Aegon Lyannasson' is a different name than 'Aegon' or 'Aegon Eliasson', if it comes down to it. As far as Rhaegar's eldest son ... at Jon's birth, Rhaegar had no (known) living son. The Mountain had already killed Rhaegar's children to Elia
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Actually, didn't I read somewhere that 'Aegon' is a Celtic name? 'Fire Lord' or 'Lord of Fire'? If latinized ... it would sould sort of like 'Eye-gon' or 'Eye-jon' no? (depending on how the 'j' is pronounced). 'Eye-kon' ? 'Eye-chon'? Hmmm... if we follow the rule 'first vowel does the walking, the second the talking', then the name would be 'Ee-gon','Ee-jon','Ee-kon', or 'Ee-chon'.
  9. Thror Baratheon

    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Heh ... true dat. I honestly don't think that Jon's real name matters. Just like being a bastard vs. not doesn't matter.
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Yep. in Dany's vision. The visions did not appear to be literal, accurate history. This is where we disagree, and interpret the vision differently. I do not think the same. Oh... very true. There is no hard evidence to my knowledge that he did, though. The Prince prophecy has nothing to do with the three heads. It's about the return of Azor Ahai/Eldric Stormchaser and the one person who would unify humankind in the Great War. The last bolded statement/phrase.... can you point me to the Targaryen lore re. this? I don't know that it would be family lore. Aegon happened to have 3 dragons for the Conquest. The Targ Sigil remembers this w/ the 3 headed dragon symbol. Even it this was family lore (which I'll admit to doubting), we would disagree on whether Rhaegar tied it into the Prince prophecy and naming his children. Yep.. His children by Elia were Rhaenys and Aegon. Mmmm... I don't see how Aegon the Conquerors wives names would figure into the 3-heads vision and naming. And, as I mentioned, I don't think that he even knew/thought about that. Once the son was named Aegon, either her or Elia just 'honored' the memory of the Conqueror. Maybe or maybe not. She could have accepted them after being with Rheagar. She could not have. Don't know, really. She could have honored Rhaegar by giving their son the name of Rhaegars (believed to be) dead eldest son. I've known people to do similar -- name later children after an earlier but deceased child. Yep. It does in both Dany and Jon. Maybe in 'Aegon'. That Aegon could be fake; could be real. If Tyrion is Aerys son (I personally doubt it, but it's been postulated) would he also continue the Line?
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    The defense of the North

    This could be. Just like the Tree with the 3-Eyed Raven was a target. Interesting thought/theory. What about the stronghold/defenses that Bran the Builder helped build? Would they be targets, or no? Maybe, at best, point to seize and destroy. Or just to avoid, if possible? From what we saw in the show, there is no 'may' about it. The WW were 1st created by the CotF. Maybe by a sub-group of the CotF, but definitely by CotF. Maybe it was on the Isle, but the show hints strongly that it was in the North, maybe at the Tree where the 3-Eyed Raven ended up. Did the CotF still control the Isle when the Pact was signed? Were the WW created before the CotF tried (and failed) to submerge the Neck? That attempt would indicate that they were North of the Neck at that time.
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    And this is where we disagree. I believe that Rhaegar could have considered naming the unborn child Aegon. And, yes, he certainly could have named his 3rd child Aegon. Unusual? You bet. But possible? sure! If it has to come down to it, he could refer to them with different nicknames or give then different 'extra' name. For example : Aegon Eliasson and Aegon Lyannasson. I have a friend named exactly the same as his father. They ended up differing themselves by their Confirmation Names. And one goes by the full name, the other a shortened abbreviation. That being said, we also disagree as to Lyanna deciding upon Aegon. Unlucky? Hmmm..... If Lyanna also believed in the Prophesy, she would (in my view) definitely have reason to name her son Aegon. Also ... 'a dragon has 3 heads' was said to Dany. Not to Rhaegar. That was part of _her_ vision. Rhaegar was into the Prince Who Was Promised wasn't he? See above. That woud still fit with what view/belief. :-) question -- why do u think that Rheagar was naming for the '3 heads of the dragon'? What about Lyanna trying to keep the Prophecy re. the Prince alive and honored? That last part may very well be true. It may, in the end, be a show creation or change. GRRM may have a different name in mind. Ja...we'll have to just agree to disagree. :-) But a nice exchange and discussion nonetheless, Tini. Let me raise a [my] cup to you. Pros't!
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    But both did not live. By the time Jon was born, everybody in Westeros (with the exception of Varys) would have believed Egg dead. True. But by the time Jon was born, that Egg was either dead or believe to be so. Didn't Ned go straight to KL after the Trident? Then to the TOJ afterwards? When Ned got the KL, Tywin had taken the city, Jamie had KOed Aerys, and Gregor had taken out Elia and both of her children. Jon was born when Ned arrived at the TOJ or thereabouts, was he not? This is where we disagree. I believe that Rheagar believed that he would have a son who would be the Prince Who Was Promised. Perhaps for some reason he wanted this son named Aegon (Lord of Fire ?). The reference to the 3rd was in Dany's vision. I'd bet Rhaegar didn't know about the 3 heads nor of any Dragons. The 3rd head was some kind of prophecy or message. Somebody else will be the 3rd rider. [disclaimer : if GRRMs has said otherwise, I am not aware of it] Why not? Perhaps Lyanna believed in the Prophecy herself. Maybe is was she who chose Aegon, knowing/believing at that time that the1st one was dead. I doubt that she would have named the boy Rhaegar. Not at that point -- that would be a sure way to guarantee that Robert would execute him. Rikard, Brandon, or Ned. Of these, Brandon may be the best fit. Jon's real name is at least syllables, with an -on on the end (at least to my hearing ) Brandon is a name linked to the fight against the WW. That would be it. A Valryian/Targaryen name would almost guarantee Jon's early demise. Ned chose 'Jon'. Nah. Ned would have known that would upset Robert and insult (perhaps) the new Queen's family. It would also draw too much attention to Jon and his birth. As mentioned above, I disagree. I believe that she named him Aegon. mmm... more likely Viserys. Isn't that the masculine form? When he (Rheagar) died, yes. By the time Jon was born (or named), no. True that. Definitely misinterpreted it. He did have a son who does appear to be the Prince Who Was Promised. Maybe not the one that he thought it would be at first. I do wonder if the 'Prince who was promised' actually has 2 parts -- male and female. Jon and Dany. That is a fascinating and somewhat typical occurrence in this series -- those who actively try to follow to implement (or force) a propecy get it wrong (eg : Rhaegar, Jeaharys (?), Aerys, Melisandre). Those who do not (eg: Dany, Jon) seem to end up fulfilling it.
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    Jon Snow = Aegon in Daenerys' vision

    To tell Dany that a 3rd Dragonrider exists. She is one. The child in the vision is the 2nd. There _must_ be a 3rd. Rhaegar does not know who that is. By now, we pretty much have been shown/told/know: Dany is Aery's daughter. And her mother (Aerys sister?) died giving birth to her. Jon is Rhaegar's son. And his mother died giving birth to him. There is a 3rd person that we know of whose mother died giving birthing them. My bet is that is the 3rd rider.
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Could be Aemon. Not Viserys. Not by what I could pick up from the scene in the show. Definitely not Jaehaerys (my spelling is probably off,there) , or anything resembling that