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So it was that simple?  All she had to do was stab him?  How did she get by all those White Walkers?

I wonder if the 3-Eyed Ravens are actually the Old Gods the North worship, and Bran is the last one.  By killing the last gods, the Night King extinguishes the magic that cursed him into becoming who he is.

14 minutes ago, Trebla said:

For those wondering about title of the episode (since HBO continues to not give ANYTHING away before the ep. airs), According to The AV Club it was titled "A Knight of the Seven Kingdom". Hmmm...that title sounds familiar.  

I was just coming to say that (just saw it on the HBO website).  A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (plural) actually.  I think that's a good title.  

ETA:  I just realized what you're referring to.  Brienne is indeed Dunk's descendant.

4 minutes ago, Pandean said:

btw can someone tell me what happened right after Jon tells Dany about his parentage because my TV cut out right then because it's storming out bad + my mom's DVR stuff kicked in and I can't get my directtv account to work (no fucking surprise there, it's useless. IDK why we switched from xFinity to DirectTV when it's fucking garbage)

Dany said it can't be true and asked him who told him.  He says Bran and Sam.  She thinks it's really convenient that his brother and best friend would tell him that, but Jon assures her it's true.  She tells him, he's the last male Targaryen heir, and that he has a claim to the Iron Throne.  Jon looks at her without saying anything, and the horns blow.  They head out and they find Tyrion.  Jon nods at her, and they walk away.  Final scene is the white walkers outside Winterfell.

This was beautiful.  That song.  Everyone knows this could be their last night on Earth.

14 minutes ago, Starkblack said:

Did anyone figure out what Arya asked Gendry to make for her?

It's a weapon with two pointy ends.

1 hour ago, Gemma said:

Regarding the Tarlys what was Dany supposed to do? She offered them the chance to bend the knee and they refused. Tyrion offered an alternative (taking the Black) but Randyll was too proud to accept. She wasn’t even going to execute Dickon but he stepped forward and chose to die with his father. Even if she had burned the father and left the son he would have wanted revenge. It’s not a clear cut situation but I don’t see how it makes her a mad queen. She offered them an out and they didn’t take it. Her father never would have given them a choice.

If they don't respect you, make them fear you.  Dany did what she had to do.

Does anyone know what this is by the way?

http://i65.tinypic.com/20j36vq.png

2 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

the conversation in the dream is symbolic and a synopsis because it's a dream, not a memory. George has said to not take the conversation completely literal.

Once Ned found Lyanna and her child, he knew the child would be regarded as heir. My point is that Ned got to Lyanna first, and that the KG didn't oppose him saying goodbye to a dying Lyanna. They did however wanted to stop him from taking her child to hide him so Robert could sit the throne instead.

Oh.  I see.  That's very interesting.  That's not what we saw on the show of course.  It would have been a great twist though.

11 minutes ago, TheSeason said:

Looked to me like The Winter Sun (a huge part of ASoIaF mythos); note the prior(?) scene of the arrival of Alys Karstark and the emphasis upon her ancestral device (the white winter sun, "better than an onion" is in fact a similar depiction to Davos's device of the black ship--the void of space--carrying the white onion on its banner. It's The Red Comet come again.) My guess.

By the way, is there a link to any discussions on the importance of the Winter Sun?  I admit I haven't heard any such theories before.

18 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

In the books he wanted to declare for Stannis and send a letter by raven to him IIRC. He wanted to protect Jon, but he didn't want to make him king. And that imo was what the fight with the kg at ToJ was about... that the fight happened after he found Lyanna and her son, that the KG wanted to make him king, but Ned didn't.

I have to disagree with this, or at least express my doubts.  I do agree that the Kingsguard wanted to protect Jon because he was the King in their mind, but I'm not sure Ned was aware of that.  That would imply their conversation was long enough for them to explain to Ned what really had happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna.  I think Ned just wanted to get to Lyanna.

Just now, TheSeason said:

Looked to me like The Winter Sun (a huge part of ASoIaF mythos); note the prior(?) scene of the arrival of Alys Karstark and the emphasis upon her ancestral device (the white winter sun, "better than an onion" is in fact a similar depiction to Davos's device of the black ship--the void of space--carrying the white onion on its banner. It's The Red Comet come again.) My guess.

Interesting.

Can we discuss the body part art at the Last Hearth?  It looks like we might be getting an explanation for what that symbol is.  Any thoughts?  Ideas?

1 minute ago, Danelle said:

Is he still? I thought that Jon was no longer affiliated with the Night's Watch. Family bonds in Got can get confusing.

In the sense that Sam knows Jon better than anyone in the world, and vice-versa.  The Stark siblings have been apart for so long, that they don't have that relationship that Jon and Sam have.  Plus, Jon was much older than Bran when they lived together, he probably still sees him as a little boy.

Just now, princess brittany said:

have you seen the preview for the next ep? no she wont.

Yes, I have.  Previews are misleading.

2 minutes ago, direwoofwoof said:

"The rightful heir" When Ned changed Robert's will in Season 1, I thought it was for Stannis or maybe Gendry. Do you think it was for Jon? Had Ned lived and gotten back to Winterfell or the wall before Jon took his vows, he would have been the heir and could have claimed the throne, or tried to. (Y'all probably thought of this ages ago but it just came to me tonight.)

No, I don't think so.  Jon isn't Robert's heir, plus he was a man of the Night's Watch, which means he had given up any rights he might had to the Iron Throne.

By the way, I'm so happy this community has some new material to discuss.  This is by far the best ASOIAF community on the internet!

42 minutes ago, Pandean said:

Show!Euron sucks, especially just by himself, especially compared to Book!Euron but idk something about his interaction with Cersei made me smile. 

 

He doesn't seem to have much of an end game.

38 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

It looks to me like they're already setting up Daenerys' death, especially when you factor in how morbid Emilia sounded about the final season in interviews. Having her threaten Sansa in front of Jon, and then having Arya tell him that she's on Sansa's side and that Jon needs to "remember who his family is" really seemed like foreshadowing. And then there was Sam.

I'm guessing Bran is going to defend Jaime in the next episode, and that's why he looks so surprised in the preview. Jaime has a roll to play and Bran knows that. (I also loved his look of shock when he saw Bran at the end of the episode).

Given how Sam questioned whether Dany should be the Queen because she executes people, I think it will be Dany that will forgive Jaime once he delivers the news about the Lannister army not coming to the North.

13 minutes ago, Risto said:

I expected more from Jon/Arya reunion. It should have resonated much stronger and be par with Jon/Sansa one. That one remains the most poignant one. 

Completely different circumstances for all characters involved.

18 minutes ago, Skills said:

Good start to the final season.  I figured there would need to be some place-setting before things get crazy from here on out.

 

Just curious (and I hope it's ok to ask this) to those of you who followed all the leaks/spoilers/etc over the past 2 years...after having seen the premiere, were any of the leaked scripts correct?  I remember reading some of the desinerd ones a couple of summers ago and they were pretty depressing.

Episode 1 was completely spoiled a few weeks ago, but nothing else has leaked, with the exception of one big scene that takes place in episode 6 and reveals which characters survived.

1 minute ago, direwoofwoof said:

Yes! That was a major theme in the Fire and Blood book. It took many years for rider AND dragon to get comfortable riding together and they grew up together (dragon egg was placed in child's crib). A few people died hopping on adult dragons for first time.

 

Well they even had the Hound and Tormund ride Drogon last season.  Wasn't that even more ridiculous?

19 minutes ago, Danelle said:

The last scene, the way that Jaime looks around being back at Winterfell, taking off his hood was definitely a reference to him arriving there at season 1. But the look on his face when he gazes Bran? Chilling.

 

I feel that Jaime had completely forgotten what he had done to Bran and was horrified when he saw him.

8 minutes ago, briantw said:

If there's a Last Hero in this story, I feel pretty confident that it's gonna be Jaime. 

I think it will be my avatar (Theon).

5 minutes ago, Fire is coming said:

I thought that too while watching, but technically they are cousins, not brothers. So he probably just meant that and not necessarily "I'm a tree now, trees don't have humans as brothers".

He was right.  Also, Sam is Jon's real brother.