PeterStark

Ah thanks that makes sense of why Jon slept with Ygritte. As one of the previous posters said, I think the main issue is that the show hasn't really captured Jons emotions on his relationship with Ygritte. He doesn't really explain his reasons for leaving Ygritte. There's no denying that Jon acted rather cruelly no matter how dutiful his actions were. If he truly loved Ygritte, he should have thought it through and realised she's more likely to survive under the pretence of an asylum seeker at Castle Black than with the wildings. It wouldn't have taken much convincing.

True, the show has really let me down on expanding on Jons character some more. Maybe in season 4 he'll shed some light through discussions with Sam once Ygritte dies. Really think they should keep Ygritte alive, not exactly forever but definitely for longer. Rose Leslie is a great actor and became a bit of a fan favourite so it'd kind of piss people off that her death has a few loopholes in it. Some people may say she wouldn't go to Castle Black. However in the spare of the moment she picked Jon over the wildings. She even caught up with him which doesn't happen in the books and Jon had yet another chance. She said herself its about their relationship not the battle between crows and wildings. Jon had to stick it out with the wildings for survival, so I'm sure she would have stuck out at Castle Black. Maybe Jon didn't take her because he didn't think the NW would let her stay, but the story should have made this clear by not letting Gilly stay. As you say, Gilly seeked asylum whereas Ygritte did not, but Jon could always make Ygritte out to be an asylum seeker to keep her alive, maybe saying that she wanted to escape the wildings and Jon gave her that opportunity?

Very true. In fact I may be wrong, but of the little knowledge of the books I have, doesn't Jon acknowledge that, however much he regretted leaving her, his father had a duty and so would he? That's makes it a lot easier to understand. It's definitely harder for Jon, as Ned, as with Robb had he picked his duty over Talisa, would never have to fight against them or the people they stood for. Maybe Ned did...I'm not too sure to be honest I really need to read the books. I feel a lot of sympathy for Ygritte. As much as Jon loved her she was his ploy to fit in with the wildings. That said, maybe she wouldn't have been so heartbroken had she not lead Jon into his temptations and created a relationship. Still though, a rather cruel thing for honourable Jon to do. There could have been other ways to warm his way into the wildings without using their affection for one another. It's only going to weaken them when they come up against one another. Now I haven't read the books so sorry if im off, but from Mhysa I'm predicting that either: A) the emotional tension between Jon and Ygritte will be the death of one of them, especially since they emphasised the 'live together, die together' stuff. Probably Ygritte as there are still a lot of unanswered questions on Jons character. B)Ygritte will carry Jons child which will tear him up as the main reason he never slept with a woman was because of his fear of giving her a bastard. Don't tell me if I'm right, I'd rather watch and find out :) it's hard to say which ones in the wrong really, Jon was cruel to make their affection with one another a tool for his duty. Ygritte shouldn't have tempted him and expected him to become wilding when she wouldn't become a crow. EDIT: another concern regarding this topic. As the previous poster says, he couldn't have taken her back to the NW which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that Sam could take Gilly back fine and is under protection whereas Ygritte can't?

Thank you, that's made it a little clearer to me. I just don't understand why Jon would leave behind a woman who he loved enough to have sex with. That takes a lot, Jon said so when he told Sam that the reason he'd never had sex was because he never wanted to give a bastard to someone he didnt truly love. If Ygritte was to live on and they never saw each other again, and happened to be carrying Jons child which we wouldn't yet know, surely that defies what he said?

Hey, first post here so I'm sorry if this is a bit stupid/I the wrong place. I just have a question concerning Jon Snows story in episode 9/10. Why the hell did he leave Ygritte? He clearly liked her a lot if he was willing to break his vows for her. I understand why he pushed her over during his battle with the wildings, because clearly he didn't want her to get hurt or potentially die for him, and I understand why he left her the first time seeing as how He hadn't killed all the wildings. But when she caught him up, all he said was 'I have to go home now,' leaving her once again at a perfect opportunity to keep her and return to the NW. Why?! Some would argue that he did what Robb should have done and put duty over love, but there's a huge difference. Had Robb have broken up with Talisa she'd still be on his side, surely Jon must have known that by leaving the woman he loved she'd end up fighting against him? And surely he must know that she'll die seeing as how he didn't even think she could take on the other wildings with him? That doesn't seem like an honourable 'Jon Snow' thing to do, and I can actually really sympathise with Ygritte. (Plus she's attractive AF) Of course it may have been risky to bring her back to the other crows but she was willing to pick Jon over the wildings, and she's much more likely to survive there than with the wildings. He warned her, and she seemed to heed his warning seeing as how she fought for him, yet when she does he leaves her...he really could have just said 'put the bow down and escape with me'? Go easy, I'm not a book reader...but if anybody can tell me why, I'd like to know.