Welease Woger

Game of Thrones has a serious problem with logic. Last week's stupid scene of Jon Snow arriving at the northern side of the Wall became even more stupid now. Not only were Jon and the free folk exposed to attacks from the White Walkers, but also, Alliser Thorne could have denied their entrance. Now Alliser Thorne stabs Jon Snow for bringing the Free Folk shout of the Wall. Which he could have prevented if he had denied Jon's passage. This way he wouldn't have to deal with a couple thousand angry wildlings in the aftermath. Now, I think both in the books and in the series, the aftermath of FTW is the Nightswatch being unable to stop the White Walker invasion. Don't know how they will pass through the wall, but they will, and they will start a massive invasion in the North.

Could be. But there are many other examples of sloppy writing in the show, anyway. In the very same episode Jon Snow arrives at the gates of Castle Black, North of the Wall, even though he had boats and it would be much more safe to march to Castle Black from the South. This show is not very concerned about logic, only doing cool and shocking stuff. It's still very fun to watch, but it's becoming dumb at times. So, we should be careful before extrapolating the events of the show to the books. I'm sure when (if) Stannis decides to burn Shireen, we will feel that he is in a much more desperate situation than it looked in the show.

I'm with you, the show has been really sloppy and inconsistent with their writing. One example from the same episode is that Davos knew that exactly 20 men from the Boltons were involved in the attack to the camp even though it was late at night and no one saw them coming. Unfortunately, the show events will seldom resist a thorough critical analysis. But if GRRM himself said that Stannis is going to burn Shireen, we can only speculate about how it will happen in the books. Maybe it will happen soon and in very similar circunstances to the show, for example, Melisandre, Selyse and Shireen leave the Wall because it's become a dangerous place after FTW events. Maybe it will happen much later in much different circunstances. Maybe we can understand Stannis better by then. I think it's an interesting perspective to have Stannis as a complex, multidimensional villain; a villain that could be a great hero had he not made one really bad decision (trusting Melisandre). And, yeah, I don't think GRRM really changed a character in order to homage Breaking Bad, he certainly already had his plans. In my opinion, that comment was not a joke, but a teaser about what was coming.

Not as a typical good guy (few characters in ASoI&F are your typical good guy, anyway), he has been doing horrible things since he was introduced. But at least someone relatable that we could root for. Since you have almost 4000 posts in these forums, you know that Stannis has a lot of fans. He is one of the few major characters that understands that there is a major threat looming upon the world and he does have good intentions, althoug the means he uses to achieve his goals are really objectable. Now he has done something inexcusable and could be dragged in a downward spiral of evil, akin to Walter White.

Guys, I tried to creat a new thread yesterday, but the mods did not validate it. I've read the advices on how to create new topic, so I don't know what I'm doing it wrong. I'll post it here anyway. [TV Spoilers] Is Stannis the Walter White-like villain that GRRM told us about? We are all shocked about the Stannisgate Scandal from last Sunday's Game of Thrones. Many fans saw him as a hero, the rightful king and the most desearving candidate to the throne. A fraction of those fans refuses to believe that this heinous act could be in the books, with full approval of Stannis, they feel that burning Shireen was out of character. (Feel free to skip the following three paragraphs, where I share my opinion about the events of last episode and what it means for Stannis) You all know Breaking Bad, one of the best TV series of all time, which tells the story of a brilliant, but grossly unappreciated chemist, who starts to make drugs. At first he has good intentions, but gradually he is consumed by evil and by the end of the series he becomes a memorable villain. Showrunner Vince Gilligan described the show as "From Mr. Chips to Scarface." Well, George R. R. Martin also had something interesting to say about Breaking Bad's protagonist: “Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros. (I need to do something about that.)” http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/george-r-r-martin-walter-white-is-a-bigger-monster-than-anyone-in-westeros-1200617124/ You see, Breaking Bad is all about the process, the change, the nice guy that eventually becomes a monster. We shouldn't expect GRRM to fulfill his promise of creating a monster worse than Walter White with a whole new character. It would take five more books to make him become that monster. No, ASoI&F's Walter White had to be a character that we already know. One who started his journey as a hero, but one day, he made a very bad decision that he couldn't take back. If my reasoning is true and GRRM intends to turn Stannis in a Walter White-like villain, I'd expect him to survive the battle of Winterfell and stick around for quite some time. Sorry, Brienne, no revenge for you for the time being.

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