KingMaekarWasHere

Yeah I most certainly agree with you. Why would an old and proud house take on a bastard son, even of the head of the king's guard. So...what about Brienne's mother's side. Could her mom's side have a Dunk the Lunk bloodline?

The two major fleets as well as the allegiances of the Redwynes and the Velaryons is important to keep in mind! Just wanted to say that and repeat your point! The WILLAS part of your argument here is also important because we heard a lot about him in ASOS, and he is considered to be the smartest Tyrell basically besides his Redwyne grandmother. So who he marries, when, and for what purpose may easily determine the future of House Tyrell. Mace is old and "heavy" weight wise, so he might not live much longer after all. It's gonna fall on Willas, like Dorne fell on Doran years before. Now...do I believe that Euron and the krakens are gonna kill Willas??? Maybe. But I'm leaning toward 80 to 20 saying that the krakens killing him is NOT gonna happen. Willas is smart enough to get himself out of the Reach before it gets too big to handle. He will likely go off to join Aegon in the Stormlands or his dad in King's Landing.

I have definitely heard all that before! Not to say that you're wrong at all. I am almost sure that you are right. BUT!!!! There is still the possibility that Myrcella lives! And if she lives and Rosamund was the one that was attacked, then Myrcella may still be queen. You just can never be too sure. And even if Rosamund is the new Myrcella in name only, just like "Aegon" being Rhaegar's own boy, nobody in King's Landing is likely to sniff out the truth besides Cersei and nobody trusts her anymore. Her reputation is garbage, and if Tommen is killed off by the Sand Snakes...well then "Myrcella" will likely be queen!

I have to admit that your sequence is VERY compelling! I can't see Myrcella marrying Aegon though. In my opinion its just far too easy of a solution to Westeros' problems. After all, if the marriage did occur, it would mean a Four-House union (Lannister-Baratheon-Martell-Targaryen) at least on paper. Talk about your Southron Ambitions...looking at Richard Stark. Anyway, I just think that if the marriage did take place between the two of them, Dany or Cersei really could burn down King's Landing. Cersei because she hates being out of power and control, and Dany because she will believe Aegon to be a fake dragon because its convenient for her conquest. (And cause people believe that she will lose her mind.) Also...I don't want to see Myrcella or the city burnt up.

I agree whole-heartedly! But I would add, that any bloodline descending from Maekar or his son Egg is VERY relevant to the future of the story. Maekar's two daughters are mysteriously unaccounted for, but some have speculated that they are descendants that died at Summerhall. If that is true, then maybe Daeron the Drunken's daughter Vaella is where we find the mixing with House Tarth?

Arya is a daughter of two great houses though...makes for a good match as far as I could tell. Sansa is better of course because if Robb and all his male heirs died, that means that any Arryn child by Sansa gets everything. But it would have been very unlikely that Cersei would have ever given up Sansa. Catelyn's plan to trade her for Jaime was short sighted of course. Cersei is never to be trusted. Cersei would have seen Sansa married to her Tommen before being wed to an Arryn or a Tyrell as well. She was uncomfortable with Joffrey even being with Margarey Tyrell.

Hopefully we will be getting Blood and Fire by next Christmas!!! That's what I have to say!

Off the top of my head...not giving Robert even just one legitimate child. Not only would it have been easy for her to do, it also would have ensured her and her other children's safety in the long run, but it also may have meant that such a son or daughter would have become king/queen by the end of the series. Thus Cersei may have actually won the Game of Thrones.

GRRM takes ideas from mainly European history to give us ASOIAF. So why not use the story of Jane Grey, as simile/metaphor for Myrcella's potential reign as Queen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jane_Grey Jane may have only been a queen officially for nine days, which makes me wonder if Myrcella would only end up being a queen for a day? How would her reign begin and how would it end? Would it begin with an "accident" happening to King Tommen? (possibly via the Dornish/Sand Snakes) Would it end via some insane plan of Cersei's? How would Jaime be involved?

If Arya had revealed herself earlier or been found by Robb and Catelyn, she could have been married to the Freys or Greyjoys to cement an alliance...maybe. Also, if Theon had stayed with Robb, he could have worked in a betrothal to a daughter of a Riverlander lord I suppose. I don't see the Vale ever siding with Robb though because his aunt is/was basically cruel and just focused on her own son's well-being. Maybe in an ideal Westeros Sansa or Arya could have been betrothed to Robin? But that would have meant less of an alliance with the Greyjoys or Freys. If the Vale did join Robb though...Tyrells would have just sat back and watched the end of the lion I would guess.

The only other possibility beside the R+L=J theory being true is the B+A=J theory. (Brandon and Ashara that is!) And since that theory is not very satisfying or really relevant at all, then R+L=J has to be correct. However, don't forget that GRRM's favorite sword in the series is Dawn. A clue that Jon will get Dawn, his ancestral sword???

I am just throwing a wild guess out there but I am guessing that the dragon that he will come to control will probably break free somehow and eat him. Either that or the dragon will get killed and fall on him and his ship.

Aegon IV may have been a "lout" and a notoriously bad monarch, but like Henry VIII he was very promising in his youth. I think that he went down the tubes as a man because he wasn't born to be king, his cousins had better claims than him after all. Similar to Henry not being destined to be king because his older brother Arthur was groomed for the position. Also Aemon had the same mom and dad as Aegon IV so how different could their DNA really be? I recently read in another thread that some people believe that Rhaegar is Bonifer Hasty's son by Rhaella because he was so "balanced" and not at all like Aerys II. If we go by the pattern of thinking that you suggest, Rhaegar can't be Aerys' son because he was/is such a chivalrous knight. Maybe its all just as simple as "When a Targaryen is born the Gods flip a coin."

The Greyjoys stink to high heaven among the Great Houses, no one wants to marry them besides other Ironborn. It may be that one of the daughters of Garmund/Garmand Hightower (married to Rhea or Bella I Forget) was sent to the Iron Islands as an offer of peace. A long shot could also be a marriage to a Blackfyre. You know cause Greyjoys really hated Aerys I and Bloodraven.

I know what you are getting at there, but still there remains no proof that say a Lannister great-grandmother was a Florent, who let's say was the granddaughter of a Targaryen. WE DONT HAVE THE TREES. And there are multiple reasons for this mind you!!! GRRM knows what he's doing. If the Lannisters have Plumm blood and Targ blood, or if the Tyrells descend from that one Garmund Hightower marriage to a Targaryen princess through lets say a Florent granddaughter, he's leaving this knowledge off of the table until "the time" comes. Leyton Hightower in the main series and his daughter likely know of their Valyrian bloodline, and are probably going to use some type of magic against the krakens. One can hope anyway. Just one example.

It still remains a very distinct possibility that Aegon IV may have fathered a bastard daughter who was an ancestress of the Whents. (possible Tinfoil) and the Whents are ancestors to Edmure and his sisters through their mom. But if we put aside the Whent or Butterwell possibility of mixing with the Tully bloodline, then please add House Tully to my list!

I am very genealogically inclined actually!!! As fate may have it so to speak. 1. The Lannisters - While some have theorized that Tyrion or Jaime may be bastard children of Aerys the Mad, we have seen no historical connection between the lions and the dragons prior to the reign of Aerys (again not proven.) A good indication that the dragons never interbred with the lions can be seen with the actions of Tywin. Why allow your cousins to be massacred by your own troops after all? On a side note! There is no indication that the Lannisters intermarried with the Plumms. 2. The Starks - It has yet to be conclusively proven that the main Stark line has any dragon blood in its collective veins. It may be theorized that Jace Velaryon is actually an "ancestor" of the Starks through say Eddard's maternal line, but the World of Ice and Fire in no way confirms this idea. 3. The Greyjoys - It seems highly doubtful to me that any Targ princess ever married a kraken. After all, most krakens have not even been of the Faith of the Seven, so just on religious grounds the marriages wouldn't have worked out. Out of all the great families of Westeros, this particular family lacks the traits and temperaments that the royal line would associated with. Also, nowhere is there a Greyjoy on a Targ family tree. 4. The Tyrells - People assume that because the Hightowers interbred with the dragons, that means that the Tyrells have dragon blood as well. The truth may very well be that the half-Hightower Targaryens listed in the World of Ice and Fire Family Tree may have died out. Also, weren't those children all females/daughters? They may have married Florents or other noble Reach families. Or the daughters of such a union may have just married into say the Penrose family, the Velaryons, or some other house with Valyrian blood. 5. The Tullys - The only distinct possibility of the Tullys having dragon blood would be if some "illegitimate" descendant of Aegon IV married say a Lord Whent or some other riverlander, and then that person was an ancestor to Edmure and his sisters. Catelyn and Edmure's maternal line seems to be where the Tullys get their magic.

Yes I agree...Viserys I was no doubt not very good at planning for the future. Put him up there with Aegon IV and Aerys II.

Interbred is not the same as "inbreeding." Interbred to my best knowledge means for two different lines to mix and create a new line (genetically of course). For example, the Baratheons "interbred" with the Florents when Stannis conceived his daughter with his wife. Or when Robert created/conceived Edric Storm with the Florent sister whose name I forget.

So...are you saying that the Martells interbred with Blackfyres??? Doesn't that renege on their professed loyalty to the House of the Dragon aka the Targaryens? I mean Baelor and Maekar were half-Martell. So the Targs have more Martell blood than any Blackfyre.

Are one of those theories by any chance linked to the idea that Dany is actually "the Brightflame" and descends from Aerion Brightflame and Daenora's son Maegor, as well as Serra Blackfyre? That theory would make her pretty "inbred" as well as giving her some powers based around blood magic due to whatever Maelys the Monstrous may have been involved in. The idea that fate gave Dany such powers, who is possibly descended from these rogue Targaryens gives the whole story a dramatic twist, a dark twist at that. And if she ends up killing Aegon, who may actually be Rhaegar's son, or even a twin of hers. That of course would still be kinslaying...but when has that ever stopped a "mad" Targaryen leader before???

Not to mention the fact that Aerys and Rhaella had Blackwood blood, and Dayne blood from Egg's mom.

I love this line of thinking. I had my own theory years ago, which by some was called bonkers, that Rhaella and Bonifer's secret son was not Rhaegar but Davos Seaworth. I feel that if Aerys had any suspicion that Rhaegar was not his, he would have likely told Tywin that he wanted to engineer the boy's death. (And Tywin would have likely been obliging.) Maester Aemon was often in talks with Rhaegar via letters, and had Aemon suspected that Rhaegar was not a legitimate male-line Targ, he would have brought that point up as well! Aemon's final conclusion in Feast, that Dany was actually Azor Ahai seems more on point to me. Yes, she is a "girl." But she is also likely the only surviving descendant of Aerys and Rhaella that anyone would fight for and have faith in. Yes, Jon may be her nephew by blood. But because he looks so much like a Stark, is anyone really going to believe that he is Rhaegar's son? I know that the show makes it look like it would be easy for Jon to be acknowledged as Rhaegars via "Bran's visions" but the smallfolk would rather take Dany or Aegon than Jon. In the South of Westeros, Jon Snow might as well be a total stranger. (And Aegon is likely a Blackfyre or Brightflame! Mind you. But certainly looks more Targaryen than Jon.)

I forgot the Baratheons! Thanks for the input. Yeah I can see why the list is ultimately way too long to be comprehensive, and involves too much guesswork.

Good point about the Buterwells, forgot about them! As well as possibly the descendants of House Stokeworth since one of their girls was his mistress. But I will say that many of his bastard daughters became Septas so their lines went extinct.