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  1. St Daga

    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    If the idea of the Prince that was Promised has been around Targaryen lore for a thousand years, then it probably isn't about hatching dragons again. I would think that a thousand years ago, the Targaryen's had dragons. We know they had them 400+ years ago when they came to Dragonstone. Maester Aemon does tie the Prince that was Promised to the war for the Dawn. Well, it would be nice if we know how old Dragonstone castle was. If it's around a thousand years, then maybe it's related. But I am not sure it's related to Azor Ahai. The Prince that was Promised seems to be a Targaryen prophecy, but perhaps because of the idea of stone dragons built into Dragonstone, this was why they decided to inhabit that specific castle? I am betting the castle was there long before the Targaryen's came to Westeros.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    It really is! Sometimes I read other peoples thoughts and am blown away by their perception into details that never struck me as odd at all, or on things I never focused on because I am so busy focusing on something else. And I know I focus on things that some people probably think are silly or mundane. That is one of the great things about the broad interests and abilities in the fandom. That we all can help other people see different perspectives. We don't have to buy those perspectives but at least we can have our eyes open to the possibilities that lie within the text.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Perhaps Euron is actually the Three-eyed Crow? Bloodraven did seem to be a bit confused when Bran questioned him... I do think that Euron is the Three Eyed Crow. His nickname gives us the crow's eye, and his three eyes are black, blue and red. Black and blue on his body, and the red eye on his sigil, which I think is a nod to the weirnet. Anyway the black, blue and red are associated with Malice, Smiling, and Blood. I think that Bloodraven probably came to Euron as a child and tried to train him just as Bloodraven is attempting to train Bran. But Euron succumbed or was driven very dark but the "terrible knowledge" he was seeing. I think that Bloodraven is attempting to correct his mistakes with Bran. We see that Bran seems to walking a perilous path that could lead him into a darkness, a path that could make him callous and cruel. That is how Euron acts. As to whether Euron needs a glass candle or not, you might be right. But I can't help but think that it's his blue eye that is altered from normal. As you pointed out, the Greyjoy's are dark haired and dark eyed. We do not have one Greyjoy with blue eyes, although as I mentioned, Victarion and Theon are questionable. I think that Euron can connect to dream streams with some people, but with other people he cannot, because the people on the other side of the link don't have the genetics for reading dreams. So, for those people, he needs another way to communicate. Or the glass candle is used for seeing things in a different way than the weirnet works? Anyway, I think that Euron is capable of using multitple methods to see or be seen. Euron also seems to use the Shade of the Evening, but what is very interesting to me is that he forces other's to use it as well. So, does it not work for Euron anymore? Or is he able to see the visions of other's while they use it. He is using those people for his own terrible purpose. The idea of blindness might work as a way of opening up a different type of vision with Euron too, I suppose. Bran tells us the crow comes to his dream and pecks out one eye and then the other, AND then it starts to peck his forehead, to open the third eye. So, blindness does seem to be a path to a magical type of site. Bran's powers also really expand while he is in the darkness of the crypts. I do find it interesting, that whomever the 3EC turns out to be, especially if it's Euron, is that it was the 3EC that lead Bran to his father in the crypts after Ned's death, possibly even opened up a line of communication for Bran and Ned. Why? Perhaps he was spying on this communication. Rickon might also have been visited by the 3EC and he also "talked" to Ned in the crypts. Perhaps damage from an injury could cause the eye to loose pigment and fade to blue? The Greyjoy's seem to have black or dark eyes naturally. Why do you think a fall from a cliff? And if the cliff was into the ocean, could Euron have "drowned", which might have opened him up to powers he did not have before? That would mirror Bran's fall, injury (I think Bran could have died and been reborn) and rebirth as a magical being.
  4. I will have to take some time to read the posts that you linked, but a quick answer for me and the colored glass in the story is that the glass can alter the surroundings. It works as a filter and changes how we see things. Color's can appear altered, becoming deeper or darker or brighter, depending on the light, the color of the glass and what is being highlighted. I have an idea that the pale blue rose of winter plays an important role with the yellow and green light filtered down onto it. This doesn't necessarily work against color theory in the story, I just think the items that allow light to shine through them to alter the surrounds might have a slightly different meaning. We see colored glass in regards to Winterfell's glass gardens, sept's, brothels, homes and castles, lanterns. In our world, red lanterns can indicate a brothel, and I think that applies in this world as well, but we also have brothels that have windows that shine with different colors. Chataya's brothel is one that comes to mind, and I think it has red and yellow panes of glass. My thoughts are that in Chataya's brothel, when light shines through the red and yellow, the filter affect might make another item in the room appear vastly different. Certain lights is blocked by certain filters. Yellow and green shining on blue appears black. Yellow shining through red appears white. This is my thoughts on the green and yellow light combined filter might affect the color of items within the glass gardens. However, if the panes are side by side would make a difference, versus if the panes of colored glass are layered on top of one another, which is something you might find in a colder climate. I had a great light filtering chart but right now I can't find the link. Interesting how we all look at things differently. I have looked at the granite and what I focus on is that this is a stone that is very heat and fire resistant. Granite is also quite resistant to extreme cold, although if it goes from extreme heat to extreme cold quickly, it can crack. Winterfell seems important as I see it as something that is built for protection. More than a castle is meant to protect against invaders, I think Winterfell might be built to withstand both extreme heat and cold and protect those that live within it's walls and passages. I liked where you were going with the possible wording, and didn't mean to derail your thoughts. I just thought the specific wording would be helpful.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Well, so far, we have only seen Euron's blue eye, his "smiling eye", which is his right eye. His left eye is covered with a patch, sometimes black, sometimes red. Theon thinks of his left eye, as being black and shining with malice. Now, does that mean it's actually black, or is it just a figure of speech? I don't really know, but several of the Greyjoy's have black eyes. Balon and Aeron have black eyes, I though Victarion did as well, but can't find it in the text, so I might be wrong about that. Theon has no description of eye color as far as I can see, which I think is weird, since he is a pretty big character. I would guess that is left out on purpose. Asha's eyes are "dark", which is very vague, but could easily be black. Or grey or brown or purple, I suppose. My theory of him changing the side he where's his eye patch on is based on the idea that pirates and sailor in history would wear a patch on one eye for above decks, and then place the patch over the other eye below decks. That way, they had an eye adjusted to each light condition, and didn't have to wait for their vision to adjust. We have no text that indicates that Euron switches his eye patch from eye to eye, although I do wonder why he sometimes wears a red patch and sometimes wheres a black patch. The black eye "shining with malice" is from one of the released Winds chapters, but I don't think this would be information that GRRM would change (unless this information from Theon is flawed in some way, perhaps by memory?), but it seems that Euron has a blue eye and a black eye. Why is that? My theory is that one is natural and one is not. But why a color change? Was he born this way? Was it an accident? Trauma to the eye can cause pigment changes, but so can exposure to bright lights, or just age will lighten eye color. The glass candle in Marwyn's chambers is noted to be "unpleasantly bright". Now, I suppose the blue eye could be natural and the black eye is the altered eye, but we do have Greyjoy's with black eyes for a precedent, so that is the direction my thoughts lean. So, my theory involves Euron staring into the bright glass candle enough that it has altered his eye color of his right eye.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Do we know it's the same faceless man? I have some tinfoil that Euron does have a glass candle and staring at it for long periods has caused his one eye to fade to blue. Hence the patch that he probably moves from eye to eye, which could also be a not to pirates in history. Otherwise, he has a black eye, as do all the other Greyjoy's. Well, except Theon, who never gets an eye color mention, which I think is mighty suspicious. Anyway, the Stroma procedure uses bright laser light to alter the pigment in your iris, causing brown or hazel eyes to become blue; this procedure is in the testing phase and not available to the general public.
  7. Interesting connection to the glass gardens being in shambles and that being the part of the snow castle that Sansa and Littlefinger struggled with. I think the glass panes for the Winterfell glass garden are yellow and green. Those are the only two colors mentioned in regards to that structure. I do like the idea of the white and red diamonds in relation to Sansa and rebuilding Winterfell, but am not sure the colors work with what we know of Winterfell. But maybe, if rebuilt, the glass would be a different color than it had been previously. Here, Jon seems to think that clear glass is worth it's weight in spice and that green and yellow would not work so well. I looked at Fire and Blood, because your phrasing stood out to me, and I didn't remember that from the text, and this is the text that is in the book for the meeting of Alysanne and Alaric. Sorry if there are any typos. I typed it up myself. Man, that really made me appreciate A Search of Ice and Fire and how easy it's made finding quotes. I also just want to say I quite enjoyed reading about Alaric Stark. I do think the double walls of Winterfell at interesting, but I had read a theory once that implied that perhaps the moat that runs between the walls could be set on fire in case of enemy attack. What I find quite interesting about Winterfell is that it is made of granite, and granite is a stone that is very hard to burn or scorch. Even after Ramsay burned the castle, most of it is still standing, it just needs new roofs. A few cracked towers, but not to bad. Of course, a dragon inside the castle could still cause a lot of damage, but I don't know if it's the kind of damage we see from Balerion's fire at Harrenhal. My tinfoil is that Winterfell is built to withstand dragons, partly based on the granite structure of the place. We don't see much built with granite in this story. Winterfell, the middle wall of Qarth, and the three towers of Hollard castle are built with grey granite, and the legs of the Titan of Braavos are built of black granite. But Winterfell, it's walls, it's great hall, it's towers, the crypts and it's columns, the statues of the Lords and direwolves are all built of grey granite. That has to mean something, I think. Or maybe it doesn't mean anything and GRRM just thought it would be impressive to have a castle made of granite. I do find the tunnels inside the walls and the idea that the crypts might also harbor a way to sneak into and around the castle to be interesting and it will probably be important at some point later in the story.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Well, I think Rodrik has a firm reputation for liking books, and probably the rarer the better. He is Rodrik the Reader, after all. People know he has an interest in books. Just to curry favor, it makes sense that Hartho would attempt this. Of course, Marwyn could certainly be from the Iron Islands, I am just not sure this book connection is enough to convince me.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Did it reference Val specifically. I know he has confessed that Renly's eye color (green v blue) was a mistake, but I didn't know that he addressed Val or Qyburn specifically. I read the text as Urrathon's house is in Qarth, but if it's actually in Old Town, then I guess it could be Marwyn. I guess in my head canon I expect that Urrathon Night-walker is Euron, or at least tied to Euron. Of course, that's just personal preference... However, I don't think that Maester's give up their first name, only their last name. We have Maester Aemon who was Aemon Targaryen, and Maester Walys who was born Walys Flowers. Maybe they can change their name but I don't think they have too. This is not an option I have ever considered, but it's certainly possible.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    If not from Qarth, I wonder if Qyburn hasn't at least studied in Qarth. He makes note that before he lost his maester's chain, Marwyn was the only person at the citadel that appreciated his work. So, perhaps when Qyburn was kicked out of the citadel, he either traveled with Marwyn (MMD tells us she studied with a Maester called Marwyn, in Asshai, I think) or followed in his path at least. And when he was ready to return to Westeros, he did it as part of a sellsword group, the Brave Companions. We see this with Quentyn and Co, joining a sellsword organization as a means of finding a source of travel, so perhaps this is duplicated in Qyburn. The eye color change has always seemed odd to me, and wonder if this is similar to Val's change in eye color? Is that a glamour? Qyburn might remind Jaime of a grandfather, but when he is torturing the blue bard, there is nothing very grandfatherly about that! Or with what he is doing with all those women! Creepy Qyburn!
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I have never considered that Marwyn could be Ironborn, but the line about him beating a man to death with his fists does remind me of the brawling lifestyle the Ironborn embrace, and it also makes me think of Victarion, who apparently beat his salt-wife to death. Rodrik the Reader certainly is excited about Marwyn's research. Marwyn seems a bit Tyrion like, as well. My Marwyn tinfoil is that he descends in some way from House Gardener. I know we are told they are extinct, but House Gardener seems too important to be gone completely. House Gardener is descended from Garth the Gardener, the eldest son of Garth Greenhand, and he is said to have worn a crown of vines and leaves. House Gardener's sigil was a large green hand and their imagery seems very foliage based. This imagery reminds me of the "green man" of pagan or nature bases religions. The Green Man image is usually seen as a face or mask with foliage often attempting to disguise the features, such as having a man's face looking out of dense foliage. Sometimes with leaves for hair and beard, sometimes the leaves will be shown growing out of nose, mouth and ears. Mostly, the Green Man is seen as benevolent but there are some interpretations that he was also seen as a force of evil and is portrayed more as devil than god, complete with horned imagery. There are some arguments that the foliage imagery in the Green Man's mouth might indicate that he is swallowing or devouring nature, rather than creating it. This is our description of Marwyn: The description of Marwyn's facial hair has always reminded me of Green Man imagery. My friend has a green man mask hanging in her yard, and my first read, Marwyn made me think of that mask. Large head, hair sprouting from nose and ears. (my friends mask as foliage from the mouth, too) Then we hear about Marwyn's hands a couple of times, and while they are certainly not green, they are large and brought to our attention. Perhaps a nod to the Gardener sigil? The bull's neck is not necessarily"horned god" imagery, but most bulls have horns and the Horned God is often connected to the Green Man. Also, the red mouth from the sour leaf, perhaps is a nod to sacrifice and blood in the mouth. Perhaps Marwyn's imagery is more Garth Greenhand than his son Garth the Gardener, since Garth Greenhand was known to be both benevolent yet demand sacrifice?
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I find those images remind me of Ned's "tower long fallen": Dany and Summer/Bran both see towers, smoking, and I think the imagery around the toj leads to a tower that is also smoking. Smoke in the air can greyish-blue in color and make the sun appear blood red, so a smokey sky (sunrise/sunset) could appear blood streaked. A tower on fire would eventually collapse, at least somewhat. I admit that a "beast" of some sort is missing in Eddard's dream, but I think perhaps these are all different views of the same incident.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    So I'm guessing that the heat traced patterns represent the sorcery involved with making Mel's physical body into something that can contain the fire within and immune from fire in general. A few more suggestions of 'woven' magic: This, and the other examples you shared remind me of this: I know this is an example of ice "magic" as opposed to fire "magic" but they seem similar to me, and are plays of light imagery, rather than heat. Of the quotes you posted, I find it interesting that one is in relation to Qyburn and one to the House of the Undying. ETA: I will say these patterns were light seems to be moving or subtly changing the appearance remind me of Dawn being "alive with light", and also the wall, which is at times described the same way. Perhaps these are all examples of magic being alive or encased within an object? This also relates to the sword of the Other who faces Waymar Royce, the Hand's Tower burning, Stannis' Lightbringer, etc.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I have always wondered if Mel had been burned, walked into fire at some point. Those R'hller priests are rather fanatical. She and Mocorro seem almost unhuman. Anyway, fire is both life and death, depending on how it's used. Jon is told this in Clash, "Fire is life up here," said Qhorin Halfhand, "but it can be death as well." If Mel was almost killed by her magic when she had Rattleshirt burned, then perhaps this should be considered a warning to Daenerys that she might not survive another such fire as the pyre that hatched the dragons? I like this idea, a lot! I have always found the red dragon on the Targaryen sigil to be odd. It seems to be that Aegon should have picked a black dragon, to represent Balerion, being his oldest, strongest dragon, and one that came from Valyria. But he chooses a red dragon. Why? I have wondered if the Targaryen's very first family dragon was red and it lived on in family lore, and Aegon was nodding to it when he chose his Westerosi sigil. I have also wondered if dreams lead the Targaryen's to quest for a red dragon? I think there are a couple red dragons that are noted of the Targaryen dragons, Caraxes the Blood Wyrm and Meleys, the Red Queen. But perhaps it ties to this idea you have of red god/red temple and a dragon that is held or bound. Could that dragon be red? Could this be linked to Dany's search for a stone house with a red door? Also, if there is a dragon held or trapped in a temple in Volantis, could that give a little credence to the theories that think there is a dragon trapped under Winterfell. There is the tower with gargoyles, which seems an unusual thing to be found in Winterfell. There is the hot pools that "smoke" instead of steam, the heat that runs through the walls of the castle like blood. Of course, Winterfell also has the odd "icy breath" in the crypts, and the cold black pool that seems almost to counter the idea of a fire dragon. But perhaps that is all to hold something in check, to hold a balance? I'm just spitballing crazy thoughts, now...
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Interesting, I have never heard of this song before. I do think that sapphires could be serving as an opposition to rubies and fire in the story. Sapphires associated with ice. Sapphires like Symeon Star-eyes eyes, blue like the eyes of the Other's and wights, blue like the stones that I think were in Waymar Royce's sword. Brienne and the sapphire isle is for the blue of it's waters, yet Brienne has magnificent blue eyes. There are a lot of interesting sapphire mentions in the story. Another hint to this could be Renly's ham reply to "Born amidst smoke and salt" Ham is made of pork, a boar is wild pork, smoke ... A bit constructed, yes. Hmm! The "ham" exchange is from the show, but beyond being very funny, perhaps there is more to the ham/pork/boar connection that it seems. GRRM was still heavily involved in the show at that time. I think Melisandre is capable of a lot of things, and perhaps she was at work in the story long before we meet her. Ned's downfall is tied to Robert's. so if Mel and Stannis are responsible for what happened to Robert, and therefore Ned, I wonder how Jon might react if he knew? He has given Stannis good advice to help Stannis win the war against the Lannister's, but perhaps Mel is one of the enemies around Jon, which is something she warn him about early in Dance, I think
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