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  1. 5 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

    So no one broke any ceasefires/pauses as far as I'm aware. Right? They had a deal, deliver more hostages and the pause will be extended, otherwise the war will resume - as in, the bombing campaign will resume. Correct?

    I ask because I thought we were talking about the "here and now", this current conflict and not whatever happened 3 or 12 or 45 or however many years ago. 

    Since in the past both sides broke  ceasefires it becomes a chicken or egg conundrum of who broke the most ceasefires. 

    For what it's worth, both options are possible. Either making the debate about all of the time span since the Big Bang or about this current conflict. But making it about the former when it's convenient or the latter when it's more in support of a certain argument makes the whole exercise confusing. My 2p. 


    Nah, Hamas definitely broke the cease fire with rockets and another terror attack, and brought it to a definite end with its failure to provide a list of more hostages to released to extend the cease fire. Which leaves one to wonder whether they lack living hostages (despite having kidnapped more than 130 who haven't been released), or just decided not to even try to extend the cease fire.

  2. 3 hours ago, Mudguard said:

    IDF has resumed their bombing campaign. 

    "Funny" way to describe Hamas repeatedly violating the cease fire and failing/being unable to come up with more hostages to keep the cease fire going despite still having more than 100 in Gaza.

  3. 1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

    Netanyahu is literally the leader of the Israeli government and he and his party have been in power for almost two decades. He literally represents the majority view of Israelis. 

    Hamas is an unelected government in one part of the areas Palestinians are.

    You're right to say that it isn't a fair comparison - it is far more accurate to lump Israelis with Netanyahu than it is to lump Palestinians with hamas.

    He definitely doesn't represent the majority view of Israelis. Maybe not even the majority view of Israeli Jews. He has been able to cobble together coalitions for a decade and a half never winning more than 30% of the vote. Hamas won 44% of the proportional Palestinian vote compared to 41% for Fatah, and 40% of the district vote compared to 35% by Fatah and 20% by independents.

    Hamas was elected by both Gazan and WB Palestinians. They were only able to seize Gaza. It is fair to say Palestinian society is divided between Hamas, Fatah, and "IDK," or that they won a plurality rather than a majority, but it is bullshit to act like openly genocidal Jew-hating Hamas wasn't elected comfortably in both Gaza and the WB, and their most heinous actions are not widely supported in both Gaza and WB.

  4. Just now, Kalbear said:

    Yeah, stupid...uh...Times of Israel and their revisionist history:



    The TOI journalist's argument is ridiculous. No doubt Netanyahu is a shit who only cares about himself. But he had no option to prevent aid into Gaza, which is the infusion she is disingenuously referring to. Furthermore, even Kerry and several sources around him and the 2014 negotiations have acknowledged how far Netanyahu was willing to go to negotiate a 2 state solution based on 67 borders with Abbas, which was thwarted by Abbas forming a unity gov with Hamas when voting on the last stage of the prisoner release was delayed.

  5. 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

    They allowed, even encouraged, Hamas to come to Power in Gaza in an effort to kill the two State settlement in order to allow Settlers to continue to flood into the West Bank.  

    Likud loves Hamas because it makes Palestinians look like terrorists.  

    This is revisionist history. Sharon, who wanted to end the occupation and dropped Likud in order to start that process, handed Gaza over to the PA/PLO/Fatah, the same people who Israel and the world expect/expected to be able to rule the WB and a Palestinian state.

    They proved to be incapable of preventing Hamas from taking over in Gaza, and absolutely destroyed any faith many pro-state Israelis had in their ability to maintain control of the WB in the event of a unilateral pullout like occurred from Gaza.

    Likud is garbage, but they didn't allow or encourage Hamas to come to power. They didn't even come to power until Hamas had already won elections and seized Gaza from Fatah.

  6. 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

    This is because Likud loves the fear and desperation that Hamas creates.  They probably wanted small scale attacks to push that fear and drive up their support.  I hope it costs Netanyahu the PM’s seat and Likud the Knesset.

    On the contrary. Hamas attacks reflect badly on them with their voters. Their whole shtick has been that only they can prevent attacks. This has ruined them with the people that actually believed that. Hence why every poll since Oct 7 has them down below 20 seats from 32.

  7. 3 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

    He's terrible. I was listening to something earlier and apparently there is more reporting on how the government dismissed several alerts about a possible major attack by Hamas. If that is true, and it increasingly seems to be, those who dismissed these alerts have at least some responsibility for the horrors of October 7.

    I also don't really know how the political system works in Israel, but apparently the next general election will be almost 3 years from now, in October 2026. I don't know whether popular pressure, strikes, whatever, can change that. It's also concerning that the coalition of parties that support him hold a vast majority, like 75 seats out of 120 or something? And because of the terrorist attack by Hamas, even many of the moderates seem to be supporting him now. :(

    It's inaccurate to say moderates are supporting him (Gantz joined an emergency war-time gov, but didn't suddenly become a Bibi supporter, and will almost certainly be his main opponent in any election). Even many of his own supporters say he will have to go. But it would be difficult to hold new elections during the war. Perhaps the best temporary solution would be for Likud to boot him, but not sure how that would unfold.

  8. 4 hours ago, mormont said:

    Is there any really good reason why Israelis can't get rid of Netanyahu right now?

    Since his gov is made of a coalition of parties, it would require one of those parties leaving to bring them below the required number of seats. Actually, it would require multiple parties since Gantz's 12 seats joined for a war-time unity gov.

    While it is possible Gantz would also pull his party out to force new elections if one of Bibi's far right allies left, it's also possible he would attempt to avoid forcing new elections before the war was finished.

  9. 19 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

    And remember folks, this is an example of the liberal wing of Israel's polity. When folks hope that said liberal wing takes control of Israel's government this is a prime reason why I remain skeptical that there will be any change for Palestinians that is good.

    People like you have never done or given anything to make peace between Jews and Palestinians. Nothing. Ever. I come from people that accepted a two state solution before 47, that supported a Palestinian state and continued pushing for peace while our families and friends were being murdered in buses and restaurants by Palestinians that were literally devoted to blowing up the peace process in the 90s (Hamas), because we believed Palestinian leaders (the PLO) and those they represented really wanted a state and peace. Once again, our faith in that was blown to pieces by the second intifada, election of Hamas, etc. Just because we are woke to the reality of Palestinian rejectionism doesn't mean we have any less desire for peace and a Palestinian state. But we will not have faith in the existence of a desire for peace again until we actually see it.

  10. Palestinians in the WB and Gaza overwhelmingly support Hamas' Oct 7 terrorist attack and also support a Palestinian state "from the river to the sea" (in other words, the destruction of Israel and Jewish self-determination).

    THESE are the exact sort of attitudes that caused the Nakba [*before* Jews had a military advantage] rather than establishment of Arab Palestine, the refusal to share which led to their attempt (failed) to prevent the establishment of even a Jewish state that would have been nearly 2/3 desert.


  11. 1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

    A terror victims group appealed to the Supreme Court against the deal, but the court rejected the appeal. 

    What kind of victims' group is against victims being returned home? 



    People who are opposed to those who have murdered Jews, including their loved ones, being released from prison to murder more. Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza and man behind the murder of over a thousand Israelis and kidnapping of over 200 more, was just one of the more than 1000 people who were released for a single Jew a bit over a decade ago. That said, while I sympathize with them not wanting the murderers of their loved ones out again, I think it is most important to get our loved ones back. It might incentivize more kidnappings, but our only real way to stop kidnappings is to stop them, as not Hamas isn't going to stop trying to murder and kidnap Jews either way.

  12. 19 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

    Every time I read someone write or post something with some form of "Hamas said" or "Hamas denies" I just groan. That doesn't mean IDF is always telling the truth, but if you're going to rely on anything a known terrorist said, heads up, you're the mark. 

    It's wild to watch people, "human rights orgs," news media, etc. wake up every day and choose to rely on and regurgitate the word of an org of genocidal Jew-haters that personally massacred your friends and family a month and a half ago.

  13. Just now, Tywin et al. said:

    Not saying they're making up every death, but creating a ton of false identities is pretty easy. Just for example, Madden (the most popular NFL game) 20 years ago could generate thousands of fake people with more details than we're seeing here to simulate a fantasy draft. 

    The hoops people are jumping through to portray Hamas as reliable or even to act as though the simplest explanation is that Hamas isn't just pulling shit out of its ass is nauseating.

  14. 1 hour ago, Mudguard said:

    But having the hostage die shortly after being taken hostage would defeat the purpose of taking that person as a hostage in the first place.

    You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that Israel and the hostage families would not exchange for their remains. Hamas, like Hizbullah, knows better.

  15. 1 hour ago, Zorral said:

    Thus far, no msm has come out and verified that these are indeed Hamas military headquarters of any kind.  The words they all use are 'claimed', 'told',  'unable to verifiy', 'IDF has not returned our request for interview', etc.

    Because of false balance and the decision to depict Israel and Hamas as equally reliable/unreliable.

  16. Anyone demonizing Israel and its diverse citizenry as an ethnostate while demanding the establishment of a Palestinian state that will have no Jews is obviously full of shit. There is no explaining this hypocrisy away, which is why it is so fucking inherently stupid to try to argue.

  17. 7 hours ago, GrimTuesday said:

    Totally cool and normal shit. Given the fact that Palestinians are being squeezed into an ever shrinking space, I think we're going to see casualties start to rise precipitously as they have fewer places to go for safety.

    How nice that the Red Cross blindly parrots Hamas statistics while still having never once visited or checked on Hamas' hostages. Once a Nazi enabler, always a Nazi enabler.

  18. 1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

    It really is, otherwise it wouldn't be Israel's central demand. 

    Can't tell you how many fellow progressive Jews I know, Jews who generally denied or downplayed the seriousness of antisemitism on the left, who have had their whole world shattered seeing Jews blamed for Hamas using Gazans as human shields and seeing Jews accused of caring more about killing Gazans than freeing the hostages.

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