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  1. 2 hours ago, SFDanny said:

    Not Ran, but it would seem that the well known quote in A Game of Thrones would point to George having some idea.

    That came to mind. But IMO it isn't clear whether GRRM had already envisioned that to mean a Targ ancestor, or was referring to something more along the lines of Robert's warhammer.

    From a writing perspective, it would be surprising to me to learn that Robert's own Targaryen ancestry wasn't thought of or brought up by Ned or any character in AGOT if GRRM already knew.

    The hypocrisy of Robert's Targ hatred, the role his recent Targ ancestry played in Robert's accession, the added weight it lends to the black vs. fair hair findings, and implications they have for two of the central storylines of AGOT: who are truly children of Robert, and who gave birth to Jon? The dark hair won out in Robert's true children, and the dark hair won out in Lyanna's child.

    There seems to me that there is too much potential for it to have never come up in Ned's POV if it was already known by GRRM.

  2. @Ran

    Did GRRM not know yet in AGOT that Robert had recent Targaryen ancestry (whether he had named her yet or not)?

    I know Ned was focused on matches between Baratheons and Lannisters, but surely the much more recent Baratheon/Targaryen match would have been further evidence, assuming Steffon favored Ormund?

  3. 19 minutes ago, Zorral said:

    Perhaps Ayra surprised the NK because she too is dead and resurrected -- how the hell else do we explain how she survived the waif's repeated stabbing in the gut and submersion in that toxic water of Bravos's harbor?  With her training, it seems she can be effectively invisible -- the way she was suddenly there in the Wood, surprising Jon.

    Who knows how/when she got to the Weirwood. But I didn't get the impression that she surprised the NK, and I'm not sure it was even her intent to surprise the NK. Yelling as she flies through the air is hardly covert. It might be giving DnD too much credit, but if Arya had any idea that it might be difficult to kill the NK, then the only way to surprise the NK would be to first let him believe he had stopped her.

  4. 18 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

    Thanks. I meant something more recent, but I do appreciate the response. 

    I'm not sure if he has said anything more recent, or provided any new information about Dunk and Egg in general, or particular stories he has in mind. He doesn't seem to intend to get into them until at least after he finishes TWOW, if not ADOS.

  5. 49 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

    Anybody know what's up with the next installment of the Tales of Dunk and Egg? 

    GRRM has mentioned story ideas about The She-Wolves of Winterfell and The Village Hero, and titles like "The Sellsword," "The Champion," "The Kingsguard," "The Lord Commander," noting that there might be several more in between. But he says, "There's no telling when I will have time to finish either of these, or which one I will write first.  I don't expect I will know more until I've delivered THE WINDS OF WINTER."

    https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dunk_and_Egg#Planned_Installments

    https://grrm.livejournal.com/365715.html

    https://grrm.livejournal.com/412015.html?thread=20463983#t20463983

  6. 36 minutes ago, zionius said:

    I seem to recall it's discussed in some thread recently the timeline of Battle of Bells and Ned's wedding or something similar. And Ran confirmed the description in TWOIAF is somewhat misleading. Couldn't find it now, do you have a link?

    @zionius

    Ran made these comments in a thread called "The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys":

    So, the _intent_ of that passage is that Ashford is being mentioned out of chronology, explaining part of the developments that had happened earlier. But I admit, it's not clear as written, and I can definitely understand the confusion. It was much clearer in our original draft, where everything was done chronologically, Ashford placed before the Battle of the Bells, but then we were having space issues and the edit was, sadly, somewhat heavy-handed to get it to fit. Had we had more time, we would have revised and polished a bit more to try and keep it all in order.

    https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152988-the-three-kingsguard-were-loyal-to-rhaegar-not-aerys/&page=5&tab=comments#comment-8290656

    Catelyn explicitly places the weddings as after the Battle of the Bells, however, noting that Denys Arryn's death at the battle would have motivated Lord Arryn's agreement to marry a sullied Tully bride because she had proven fertile. I suspect we mostly lack a good picture of the months after the Battle of the Bells.

    https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152988-the-three-kingsguard-were-loyal-to-rhaegar-not-aerys/&page=5&tab=comments#comment-8291326

    Jon Arryn probably did not realize that child existed, since  it seems she was only with child at the time. And the child died shortly after birth, regardless. But for the purpose of this discussion, the only thing that really matters is that the Battle of the Bells is before the weddings according to Catelyn's own understanding of the timeline.

    https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152988-the-three-kingsguard-were-loyal-to-rhaegar-not-aerys/&page=6&tab=comments#comment-8291331

    I suspect it wasn't quite that straightforward, but I certainly think Arryn and Stark had begun efforts to get the Tullys involved to get Hoster to join them for Stoney Sept. I don't know that Jon Arryn was necessarily a part of the deal until after Denys Arryn's death, though. 

    https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152988-the-three-kingsguard-were-loyal-to-rhaegar-not-aerys/&page=6&tab=comments#comment-8291363

    It was an editorial decision, so you'd have to ask editorial as to why it was compressed in quite that fashion. But all I can say for sure is that the intention of the published version, as well as the original version, is that Ashford happened before the Battle of the Bells.

    https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152988-the-three-kingsguard-were-loyal-to-rhaegar-not-aerys/&page=7&tab=comments#comment-8292688

  7. On 3/5/2019 at 10:00 AM, kissdbyfire said:

    “Har. That’s buggered, and no mistake. What was that about Mance? Has him in a cage, does he? How, when hundreds saw your red witch burn the man?”

    Maybe he is in on it, maybe not. I think not, but too early to tell.

    But he is not surprised because he doesn’t believe Ramsay has Mance in a cage, since everyone at CB saw “Mance” burn.

    Also supporting the idea that Stannis knows is when Mance, still glamored as Rattleshirt, fights Jon in the yard:

    Stannis burned the wrong man.
    “No.” The wildling grinned at him through a mouth of brown and broken teeth. “He burned the man he had to burn, for all the world to see. We all do what we have to do, Snow. Even kings.”

    I am also reminded of Stannis's original statement of his intention to Jon, which Melisandre was present for:

    "I mean to. I'll burn him, and the north will see how I deal with turncloaks and traitors. I have other men to lead the wildlings. And I have Rayder's son, do not forget. Once the father dies, his whelp will be the King-Beyond-the-Wall."

    - ADWD: Jon I

    Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.

    Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.

    I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.

    I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want his wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.

    - ADWD: Jon XIII

    Also, it would be interesting to know whether Asha's POV  here is actually paraphrasing something Stannis said:

    Asha Greyjoy rode in the baggage train, in a covered wayn with two huge iron-rimmed wheels, fettered at wrist and ankle and watched over day and night by a She-Bear who snored worse than any man. His Grace King Stannis was taking no chances on his prize escaping captivity. He meant to carry her to Winterfell, to display her there in chains for the lords of the north to see, the kraken's daughter bound and broken, proof of his power.

    - ADWD: The King's Prize

    Stannis, Theon, and Asha were all in the same place not far from Winterfell by the end of ADWD, and Mance was at Winterfell last time we saw him back in ADWD: Theon I. That was eleven chapters before Theon and Jeyne show up at Stannis's camp in ADWD: The Sacrifice with Tycho Nestoris, who had all just come from Winterfell. So between them they have all the knowledge contained in the Pink Letter.

  8. IMO, the Others could have great, understandable reasons for why they are doing what they are doing, but if nothing short of the warm blooded being killed and or converted will work for them, the Others are going to be "bad guys" to good men, bad men, and all men in between. Personally, I hope there is an irreconcilable difference between the sides, rather than some misunderstanding or grudge that can be solved by the right representatives.


  9. She had an attempted rape in season 2, in the riot where the hound saved her, which was forcibly resisted. There was a difference a big difference

    At this point I haven't got the foggiest what you are talking about.

    They acknowledged in articles that their desire to insert Sansa into this Ramsay storyline goes back to at least season 2.

  10. This whole line of criticism is just sick. Before the episode was released, people here were openly calling D&D perverts who just want to get Sophie Turner naked, and then, guess what, it didn't happen!!!

    You're basically calling them pedophiles and perverts, with no real reason, because as far as the story goes, a marital rape makes perfect sense, and they handled it very tactfully and didn't show any skin whatsoever.

    Please stop calling these guys pervs. Makes you look unhinged. Not to mention GRRM had a 13 year old raped for the entire first book and mused about her loins were sore while riding after her frequent use. Seriously, get some perspective.

    Cut the bullshit apologetics, they explicitly said they have been thinking about putting Sansa in this role since season 2. She has her own story, but as early as season 2 they wanted to put her in a completely different story where the girl is raped and tortured.

  11. 1/10. A play with cheesy sets and blatantly fake dragons would be better than what they have produced with all of the money available to them. I hope the show quickly loses too much of its audience for HBO to justify continuing, but that won't happen, and we would probably get a sixth season even if the last four episodes this season tank.


  12. I'm glad they didn't try to jam Stannis in there, he had no place in this episode.



    I love what they did with Thorne. On one hand I want him to live and continue to do his thing, but on the other, even though he is a dick that most people probably don't like, it would be sort of difficult to believe anyone would be chosen above him for LC if he were alive and able.


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