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  1. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    The STARK line is 8000 years old....I wonder what they were/who inhabited the area of Winterfell before they became Starks?
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    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    I don't think it's Bran's blood....my thought is that the Black Gate itself, being part of the Wall, which according to Ygritte is made of blood, is the source of the salt. Ygritte of course is more or less referencing the number of lives taken by/given to the Wall in generic terms, but we still have the horror history of the Nightfort, the spells woven into the Wall, the legend of it being raised via magic by Bran the Builder, etc...and that makes me think that it's very possible that literal blood has gone into the Wall over the millennia. It has been absorbing blood since the Age of Heroes to the point that it has become nearly a living thing, something that I believe Jon has alluded to in his description of it from time to time - breathing, weeping, what have you. Anthropomorphized, sure, but there may be more truth to it than realized. I had more thoughts on this but they just totally flew out of my mind....will come back if I remember!
  3. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    I doubt the salt at the Black Gate is from the sea....my guess is that it’s from the blood. A living thing, like humans, that runs on blood, and therefore has salty excretions.
  4. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    Yes, both of these things can be true...”brother” can also be in the fraternal order sense rather than the blood relation sense (“brothers “ of the NW) . But, I think we get some pretty strong indications in each story that the main characters were bona fide Starks. Brother against Brother, Father against Son. Rhat makes it sound better, anyway, so I’m sticking to it!
  5. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    Hmmm... and where do we hear of two Stark hellhounds fighting each other in the North/at the Wall?? 1). The Night King, a brother to the (Stark) man who brought him down. 2). Bael the Bard, slain by his own son, the Stark in Winterfell. (This works if you believe the hints that the Bael take is a story of Stark incest.)
  6. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    This is good stuff...and totally in line with the ever- growing pile of subtle hints that our very old First Men came from a society of underground dwellers/moon-night-shadow-darkness worshippers. I want to come back to Cerberus and the idea of hellhounds guarding the entrance to the Underworld—also returning to the discussion of the TOJ and the idea of sacrificial transformation. Cerberus stands guard at the far end of the River Styx , but of course those entering the land of the dead must deal with the near end first...and that has a nifty nod in the story too. Will post from work later.
  7. PrettyPig

    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    I'm really intrigued by Ghost's relationship with/reaction to the moon in that passage. In mythology, wolves are companions to the moon goddess and typically have a special connection to the moon. Nymeria even pays homage to it by singing in that excerpt, but Ghost seems to be experiencing something different, something more sinister - the moon is chasing him, cackling, and he is trying to escape from it. Wolves are also associated with winter, thought to be winter's children (like the Starks), yet again, Ghost doesn't seem to have any big love for the cold either. Interesting.
  8. PrettyPig

    Lynesse Hightower Confusion

    My headcanon is that Lynesse is not actually Leyton's daughter...she's his granddaughter. She's the bastard daughter of Malora the Mad Maid and some dude she had no business messing with - my gut tells me Lewyn Martell, but I could be wrong. A maester at the Citadel is a good second option. Leyton married her off to Jorah because she's something of a blight on his family and wanted to be rid of her.
  9. PrettyPig

    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    Yes, I guess I should say he is recycling concepts and themes rather than full-fledged plots - and then melding these with concepts/themes from other favorites works, tv shows, comics, historical references.... Just downloaded Dying and one paragraph in my eyebrow is up: "In the dawn of history, a rogue world pierced a curtain of interstellar dust...the rogue had nothing for Celia, only rock and ice and neverending night...."
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    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    !!!! I have never read Dying of the Light, but I’m about to! According to many people familiar with GRRM ‘s other works he is recycling material left and right, so incorporating a rogue planet from the opposite perspective seems completely reasonable. Although blocking out light for years at a time isn’t necessarily factual or even theoretically possible, it’s sci-fi and we have dragons and ice zombies and skinchangers, soooo..... This makes all kinds of sense though — George is at heart a sci-fi/fantasy nerd and I (and many others) have been wondering how he would incorporate this element into ASOIAF seamlessly given the difference in backdrop. There are already hints to a space presence what with the black stones, Dawn, etc, and a large rogue planet entering Planetos’ orbital path would wreak all kinds of havoc on seasons, geological events, magnetism, on and on. Brilliant!
  11. PrettyPig

    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    Who watches the Watchmen?
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    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    I was thinking last night about Dark Stars and all the references we have in the books about darkness, shadow, night, etc. That led me to the idea of eclipses and other celestial-type events that can block out light, particularly for long periods of time. I know a lot of people are on board with the comet-striking-moon idea, but I'm not sold...something about that doesn't seem right to me. Anyway, musing on some of the legend in the story - the moon wandering too close to the sun (which of course is a star) and cracking open, the Long Night lasting for generations, black stones falling from the sky, the Long Night brought on by the Bloodstone Emperor slaying his older sister the Amethyst Empress which results in the Maiden-made-of-light turning her back on the world and the Lion of Night roaring forth, then finally what seem to be multiple Last Hero/Azor Ahai types blazing forth in the darkness... Then there's Bran looking beyond "the curtain of light at the end of the world" (the aurora borealis) and deep into the heart of winter, which is basically space. So Bran is seeing something in space that is horrifying beyond all belief, and it isn't the red comet - it's winter, and winter is coming. Tying this into the Dark Star idea, there are a couple of things that could possibly qualify: 1) a Dark Star in the astronomical sense that has its own light-trapping gravitational pull, and could be a pseudo black hole or dark matter, or 2) a very large planetary body - such as the dwarf planet Ceres, a literal ice planet almost 600 miles in diameter . Ceres is large enough to have its own gravitational pull, and this pull has resulted in it becoming spherical in shape, all of these things qualifying it for dwarf planet classification. However, Ceres is actually not a planet, but an extremely large asteroid - a term that means "star-like", fwiw. When Ceres was first spotted inside the asteroid belt in 1801, it was initially thought to be a comet. (Fun fact: Ceres is currently being orbited by the NASA research spacecraft Dawn. ) All of these allusions to space and stars and darkness have me wondering about some kind of massive eclipse event or possibly a flyby of something substantially larger than a comet - something that could pass between Planetos and the sun and stay there for a while. I don't know, I'm no physicist, but weirder things have happened in sci-fi land, I guess. On another note, there is also a Marvel comic character from the 1970s named Darkstar. Her biggest romantic admirer was X-Men member Iceman. LOL
  13. PrettyPig

    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    This is actually pretty funny, because it certainly seems as though George found his perfect meld of Lovecraft, Norse myth, and Marvel comics in this one story. I mentioned somewhere upthread that Bran parallels Marvel’s Dr. Strange from the 60s and 70s...and wouldn’t you know that one of Strange’s major arcs has him psychically battling a Lovecraftian demon, an “Old One” known as Shuma Gorath. Ol’ Shuma just so happens to be a giant human-like eyeball (red iris, fwiw) with huge tentacles sprouting from it...eight of them, if memory serves. Shuma was imprisoned in an alternate dimension of darkness for thousands of years, but someone accidentally-on-purpose set him free, and now this great other wishes to destroy all of mankind....and the only way for Dr. Strange to defeat the demon is to destroy himself with his own powers. Its a super fun arc if anyone is interested... I even put strips from the original comic in to demonstrate the eerie similarities! Oh, George... caught plot-swiping again...
  14. PrettyPig

    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    Also this:
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    Heresy 211 Eight Cairns

    Starting to wonder if George was an Earth, Wind, & Fire fan back in the day...
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