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  1. See, I sympathize. I really do. This was a very, very tough finale for Dany fans. But I guess what I don't get with is this attitude of defending Dany at all costs and then throwing every other character under the bus to prop Dany up. You're not wrong in justifying Dany's actions--I agree with all your points. But why doesn't that same understanding and sense of empathy apply to Jon, Bran, Sansa, and Tyrion, too? These are all fictional characters, people we identify with and enjoy reading about--people we have been following for many years. Why make yourself hate them all the rest just because you identify most strongly with a particular one? Has Sansa, one of the most fascinating, important, and developed characters in the whole series, in your eyes, really just been reduced to a "bitch" because she got on Dany's bad side? Everyone has a right to their own interpretations. But to me, making A Song of Ice and Fire about one person really misses the whole point of this story. What I love the most about this story is its sweeping richness, its tapestry of different perspectives, different voices, different journeys. Let's be sad for Dany, sure. But why can't we be happy for Sansa, too?
  2. I see where you're coming from, but I'd put it a different way. Actually, I think trying to make us feel complicit in Dany's long descent into darkness is the most ambitious, most unforgettable thing the show has ever tried to pull off, surpassing even the Red Wedding. The problem is that the show failed. We should've been with Dany every step of the way along this path--starting with, yes, watching her brother die, followed by giving Mirri Maz Duur to the flames, unleashing dragonfire on the Astapor slavers, crucifying the Meereen masters, hating herself for making peace with the Sons of the Harpy, cheering when Drogon arrives roaring in Daznak's Pit, taking Vaes Dothrak with fire and blood, all of it, up to and including the Burning of King's Landing. There is no disconnect between her story in Essos and her one in Westeros--or, at least, there shouldn't be. One follows from the other, every decision that Dany makes is part of a long, unbroken chain of choice and consequence that leads inevitably to a ultimate turning point. Just like Tyrion strangling Shae to death, or Theon killing the miller's boys, or Arya stabbing the Tickler, or Jon Snow abandoning the Night's Watch to march on Winterfell, and all the other moments in this story that are horrifying and insane regarded at a distance but, somehow, in the moment, in the minds and hearts of the characters who live them, feel right and justified and irrevocable. Moments of change, of revelation and tragedy. There's no doubt Daenerys is the final villain of A Song of Ice and Fire. But it shouldn't feel that way, when we're in her head. At the very least, when she burns King's Landing, we should understand why she did it. We should experience that along it with her. That's what the show didn't do--bringing the viewer along for the final turn. Suddenly, it shifted perspective away from Dany, distanced the camera away from her. And so, as viewers, we were not complicit, because we were not cheering Dany as she took the torch to the city. We saw the sack of King's Landing through Tyrion's eyes, Jon's, Arya's--but not Dany's. GRRM will do a better job if and when he ever gets to that point.
  3. To me, one of the most powerful episodes of the series. No, I didn't really like the way Jaime and Cersei went out (and it might be different in the books), but the rest of it... this is the ending and the resolution to these characters that some of us have been waiting twenty years for. The moment the bells started ringing and Dany finally snapped--unforgettable.
  4. 10/10 I've been waiting for The Wall to come down for something like 18 years. Would I rather have had it happened in the books? No question. But come'on, this is what we were waiting for! This episode was a genuine tour-de-force spectacle, logic and character development be damned. And we'll still have the books for the real story (I hope).
  5. There are some really great scenes in this episode. Like, really great: Lyanna Mormont, Jaime at Riverrun. I just don't understand why the season is moving so slow. I mean, they've been spinning wheels in King's Landing for 7 episodes now. Just get Dany to Westeros already.
  6. Yeah, it's really confusing to me. D&D keep on saying there will only be about 13 episodes after Season 6. If that's true, why all this filler? Why even introduce things like Euron, Dorne, and the siege of Riverrun? What are the heck are they doing? Could the story be... closer to the finish line than any of us think? I think Lyanna Mormont is my new favorite character.
  7. That all seems a little indirect. If Euron is the Night's King, why is he down in the Reach, instead of up in the North? There is no direct plot connection here. There's lots of hypothetical ways to bring down the Wall besides the Horn of Joramun, the existence of which has yet to be proven. The Others are the final boss. I think that's beyond dispute. But is there is a Night's King leading them? Who knows?
  8. A lot of the details changed since 1993. The three major plot acts have not. Stannis and Renly are side characters, just like Euron. None of them are really that important. It's possible Euron is connected with the Other storyline, I suppose. I just think it makes more sense for him to be an antagonist for Dany. I mean, he's currently trying to marry her, steal her dragons, and take over her kingdom. This antagonist role fits perfectly with the prophecies in the House of the Undying and it also fits with GRRM's leaked outline.
  9. Euron Greyjoy is definitely not the final boss of ASOIAF. GRRM's leaked outline clearly establishes that the three major acts of the story are 1) the War of the Five Kings, 2) Dany's invasion of Westeros, and 3) the Other invasion. Euron was not even a gleam in GRRM's eye when he came up with this plot. I think Euron will be one of Dany's major antagonists in the Dance of Dragons. Very much doubt he has anything to do with the Other invasion or the Wall.
  10. LOL. Yes. Euron isn't the dusky woman, either, though this idea about him potentially warging the people whose tongue he's cut out is interesting.
  11. I guess the big question is what is Euron's endgame? His original plan involved taking the Iron Fleet to Meereen and stealing Dany and her dragons. It appears that plan went to shit because of recalcitrant Ironborn. Now what? Does Euron have a Plan B? Or is Euron treading water until Vic comes back? I'm sure Euron has many prophetic visions from drinking shade of the evening. Or at least thinks he does--perhaps similar to Damphair's visions. If Oldtown is a nexus of magic, that might register on his prophetic radar. Or he might see a path to claim Westeros through another vision. He needs something big, though. Without dragons there is absolutely no way he can take the Iron Throne.
  12. Did she really say that? Must have burned it out of my brain. Catelyn Season 1 ≠ Lady Stoneheart. I agree, but Dorne and the Iron Islands have both made a comeback in a big way. Last season I honestly thought Euron was being written out of the show altogether, yet here he is. The Sand Snakes seems to be a replacement for Aegon's invasion, leading Dorne to rebel against the crown. So both these plotlines are more important for the main narrative than we had thought. How exactly? Who knows?
  13. You were right, we were wrong. Wish George had read this chapter years ago. I always thought Euron was after something in Oldtown. Perhaps related to the Citadel and their secrets? You've got a good point though. Euron may have ships but he doesn't have a land army, nor does he have the tools to break Oldtown's defenses, especially when Oldtown still has access to the rest of the Reach by land in the event of a siege. I don't see why the Hightowers would surrender their city given those facts. Of course Euron might have something (magical) up his sleeve, but in that case why not just go all the way and take the most powerful city in Westeros? I think you may be ascribing too much rationality to Euron when, based on what we know of him, he's actually a batshit insane warlock. Euron's story will be more magical than political IMO.
  14. Loved the play--one of the best scenes in the whole series IMO--and Bran's escape. Really a strong episode across the board. I hate everything related to Littlefinger. They have turned the man into a complete buffoon. Nothing but Joffrey with a mustache at this point.
  15. draft0

    [Spoilers] EP602

    Roose Bolton is maybe the most perfectly cast actor in the entire series. He will be missed.
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