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    The role of the Uncast - was important after all?

    Perhaps we never needed a Theon POV (let's put aside that he has some of the best chapters in this series), but did we need a Theon? If Theon was totally cut from the show, would Season 2 or Season 5 have made any sense? I think the answer is no, and the same is true for fAegon, the Martells, Lady Stoneheart, book Euron, Lady Stoneheart, and more. These characters are not necessarily important in themselves, but as foils, antagonists, and motivations for our main characters, their presence was sorely missed. Look at Lady Stoneheart--without her, Jaime's arc (and maybe Arya's) was totally destroyed. Look at how impotent Dany, Tyrion, Varys, Cersei, et al became in Season 7 without fAegon to bounce off of. It's like Jenga. You can't keep on pulling stuff out of the story and expect it to remain standing.
  2. See, I sympathize. I really do. This was a very, very tough finale for Dany fans. But I guess what I don't get with is this attitude of defending Dany at all costs and then throwing every other character under the bus to prop Dany up. You're not wrong in justifying Dany's actions--I agree with all your points. But why doesn't that same understanding and sense of empathy apply to Jon, Bran, Sansa, and Tyrion, too? These are all fictional characters, people we identify with and enjoy reading about--people we have been following for many years. Why make yourself hate them all the rest just because you identify most strongly with a particular one? Has Sansa, one of the most fascinating, important, and developed characters in the whole series, in your eyes, really just been reduced to a "bitch" because she got on Dany's bad side? Everyone has a right to their own interpretations. But to me, making A Song of Ice and Fire about one person really misses the whole point of this story. What I love the most about this story is its sweeping richness, its tapestry of different perspectives, different voices, different journeys. Let's be sad for Dany, sure. But why can't we be happy for Sansa, too?
  3. I see where you're coming from, but I'd put it a different way. Actually, I think trying to make us feel complicit in Dany's long descent into darkness is the most ambitious, most unforgettable thing the show has ever tried to pull off, surpassing even the Red Wedding. The problem is that the show failed. We should've been with Dany every step of the way along this path--starting with, yes, watching her brother die, followed by giving Mirri Maz Duur to the flames, unleashing dragonfire on the Astapor slavers, crucifying the Meereen masters, hating herself for making peace with the Sons of the Harpy, cheering when Drogon arrives roaring in Daznak's Pit, taking Vaes Dothrak with fire and blood, all of it, up to and including the Burning of King's Landing. There is no disconnect between her story in Essos and her one in Westeros--or, at least, there shouldn't be. One follows from the other, every decision that Dany makes is part of a long, unbroken chain of choice and consequence that leads inevitably to a ultimate turning point. Just like Tyrion strangling Shae to death, or Theon killing the miller's boys, or Arya stabbing the Tickler, or Jon Snow abandoning the Night's Watch to march on Winterfell, and all the other moments in this story that are horrifying and insane regarded at a distance but, somehow, in the moment, in the minds and hearts of the characters who live them, feel right and justified and irrevocable. Moments of change, of revelation and tragedy. There's no doubt Daenerys is the final villain of A Song of Ice and Fire. But it shouldn't feel that way, when we're in her head. At the very least, when she burns King's Landing, we should understand why she did it. We should experience that along it with her. That's what the show didn't do--bringing the viewer along for the final turn. Suddenly, it shifted perspective away from Dany, distanced the camera away from her. And so, as viewers, we were not complicit, because we were not cheering Dany as she took the torch to the city. We saw the sack of King's Landing through Tyrion's eyes, Jon's, Arya's--but not Dany's. GRRM will do a better job if and when he ever gets to that point.
  4. draft0

    Mourning Dany

    Dany is Anakin, not Luke.
  5. draft0

    Mourning Dany

    Logically, you're right, of course, Dany could just fly to the Red Keep. In the moment and in the heat of battle and grief and rage she snapped. "There is a beast in every man." "Dragons plant no trees." "I am the blood of the dragon--I will take what is mine with Fire and Blood."
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    Mourning Dany

    It does and did make sense. It's probably the one piece of characterization in all of Season 8 that's fairly well-developed, in the moment you could see and feel and understand why Dany might finally go berserk. Is it going to be better in the books? Of course, pretty much everything is better in the books. But that only means it's going to be more, not less painful.
  7. draft0

    Mourning Dany

    A tough, tough day for Dany fans. I don't think any of us really expected that when we started reading about her in AGOT that she was actually destined to become the final villain. Gentle but strong, abused at every turn yet overcoming every thug and murderer and slaver thrown her way. It was a great arc, and we responded to it. People were naming their children Khaleesi, for god's sakes. The visceral reaction to yesterday's episode tells all, IMO. GRRM wrenched out our hearts--on purpose. All the anger, the shock, the disappointment, the grief, it was all intentional, all carefully planned from the very start, twenty years plus in the making. He made us feel it. Like he always does. This is the Red Wedding all over again, maybe even worse, because this time our hero wasn't just betrayed by others, she betrayed herself and she betrayed us, the readers, everyone who was rooting for her, who idolized her and made her into a superhero-feminist-pop-culture-goddess-icon, who would have followed her anywhere and ultimately did, with fire and blood. She made us all complicit. One of GRRM's greatest twists. You sly, ruthless, magnificent bastard.
  8. Definitely one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in the show (it's a long list, to be sure).
  9. The last few seasons of the show have been obviously rushed and basically reduced every character to a couple of bullet points, including Dany, so I agree with you about that. But go back and read the last chapter of A Dance with Dragons; it's clear she is turning down a dark path. People were writing essays about this back in 2013.
  10. To me, one of the most powerful episodes of the series. No, I didn't really like the way Jaime and Cersei went out (and it might be different in the books), but the rest of it... this is the ending and the resolution to these characters that some of us have been waiting twenty years for. The moment the bells started ringing and Dany finally snapped--unforgettable.
  11. draft0

    Have people given up all hope?

    Agree, a lot of people are in denial. The details have changed, but the big picture is absolutely clear.
  12. 10/10 I've been waiting for The Wall to come down for something like 18 years. Would I rather have had it happened in the books? No question. But come'on, this is what we were waiting for! This episode was a genuine tour-de-force spectacle, logic and character development be damned. And we'll still have the books for the real story (I hope).
  13. There are some really great scenes in this episode. Like, really great: Lyanna Mormont, Jaime at Riverrun. I just don't understand why the season is moving so slow. I mean, they've been spinning wheels in King's Landing for 7 episodes now. Just get Dany to Westeros already.
  14. draft0

    [Spoilers] EP607

    Yeah, it's really confusing to me. D&D keep on saying there will only be about 13 episodes after Season 6. If that's true, why all this filler? Why even introduce things like Euron, Dorne, and the siege of Riverrun? What are the heck are they doing? Could the story be... closer to the finish line than any of us think? I think Lyanna Mormont is my new favorite character.
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