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Maybe we have different definitions, but I'd definitely consider fuck boys bad boys. Daenerys can make her own choices. I never said that she can't. I just think she's attracted to bad boys. Wasn't this after Quentyn died? I think his anger is very understandable.

I can see that, but also look at it from Gerris’ perspective. His friend came all this way to offer his heart and an alliance to Daenerys with one of the great families of Westeros ad she laughed in his face (as he sees it). I can understand why he was angry. Also, Barristan seemed to think the same thing (albeit with a lot more respect). Wasn’t there a line about how different things would be if Gerris was the Martell prince instead? Love doesn’t exist to start off with for most marriages in this series. I didn’t say Dario was dangerous to Daenerys. Just in general. He’s also rude and sardonic. Quentin seems like a nice guy. He’s just frog faced and kind of dull. I can see that honestly. Theon’s a lean, dark youth and 18 years old. The way he talks to Robb comes across as very fuck boyish. He seems to have gotten up to a lot of frat boy antics. He mentions that he lost count of all the women he’s had sex with.

Many women are attracted to bad or dangerous men honestly. Not all of course, but many. At the very least, I think George wants us to see it as Dany spurning a good guy and wanting bad boys. And this. There are other reasons too as you pointed out, but I think people aren't wrong when they say that she likes bad boys.

Where did you get those ratios?

Bruh. If you think it's underhanded to pretend to be someone's friend and then kill them (and it is), how much more underhanded is it to lie to someone about the paternity of their children and then murder them and try to murder their entire family including their children (Barra was a baby)?

Walder Frey is a scummy little weasel, but I don't think that he's as bad as Cersei.

To add to what you're saying, Sansa said this about Lysa trying to force her to marry Robert Arryn.

1) "Because she was traumatized." Lol. No. She did it because she's a power hungry narcissist that wanted to steal the throne and destroy his family. And yes. Lying to someone about the paternity of "his" children is evil. You don't have to feel sympathy for Robert. You can hate him. People are entitled to their own feelings about that. Cersei's kids are all going to die and Robert's bastards will carry on his legacy and inherit Storms End, so there's a bit of karma there. Unfortunately, since Tommen and Myrcella don't deserve to die because their mother was a bad person. But it's happening. Joffrey's already dead and Myrcella was maimed. That's on Cersei. 2) Because there are biological differences between men and women and no paternity tests. Yes. Different things are treated differently. Not that it matters, since Cersei deliberately denied him heirs and tried to defraud the Baratheon's knowing that she'd be starting a war. Being the queen was conditional on fulfilling her duties btw. 3) Go away with gold to hire protection and Jaime Lannister. A kinder fate than she deserved since what she did was punishable by death. And Ned's mercy got his people killed. Then Cersei tossed him in a dungeon even though he tried to protect her children. She's just a bad person. No. He's did it because it was the right thing to do and he even tried to spare her life. She was just ungrateful, selfish and power hungry. And yet in the chapter where Cersei and Jaime try to murder Bran to cover up their crimes, she expresses fear that Robert would set her aside for another woman. Why? Wouldn't Robert setting her aside be a good thing? That way she could get away from that drunken brute. Or maybe she wanted to marry the king, because it would give her the most power.

Agree to disagree.

1) Cersei's kids are in danger, because she's made terrible choices in her quest for power. 2) Cersei was abusing Tyrion in her crib. Tyrion has flaws, but of the two of them, she's by far more evil. 3) There's nothing sexist about that law. Cersei didn't just cheat on him (which she did on the morning of the wedding). She aborted his children and got pregnant by her brother to pass them off as the rightful heirs of the throne knowing that it would cause a bloody succession crisis out of spite and because she wanted power. Ned, out of the kindness of his heart, warned her before going to Robert with the information to protect her children. She had the opportunity to run. Instead she chose to murder Ned's people and toss him in the dungeons. And yes... Cersei is more responsible for the war than Littlefinger. 4) I actually like Cersei, but she's still a terrible person. 5) That's because Tyrion is a much better person than Cersei. 6) At the very least, she was evil from an early age. She murdered her best friend as a child and listed to her screaming for help. 7) Then she shouldn't have married him. Robert did actually have a right to know the paternity of his children and lying about that was a despicable crime. 8) No. Cersei isn't solely responsible for the war, but she's primarily responsible. I'm definitely not going to blame Ned for it just because he didn't stand back and let Cersei get away with her crimes. 9) Most people consider Tywin a monster too. 10) Means, friend. Tywin's had the means to commit atrocities on a grand scale in a way that Cersei didn't. She exercised power through men that put checks on her. Robert, Tywin and Tyrion. She only gets to rule in her own right, because Tywin is dead and Tommen's a child. She considered Robert weak for not committing genocide against the Ironmen. Tywin himself said that you should forgive your enemies when they're defeated as a general rule. So if she had the power, it's very likely that the atrocities she'd have committed would equal Tywin's. Maybe even dwarf his.

All speculation is valid. Aerys seemed to have a thing for Joanna Lannister. Maybe tywin's kid's are all bastards. It's just very unlikely. There's no evidence supporting this theory, it would be wildly out of character for Littlefinger and Lysa herself indicates that it's not true. And again, Lysa admitted to murdering the Lord of the Vale. She was revealing her deepest, darkest secrets, but she never indicates that Robert Arryn is LF's son. There's just absolutely nothing to this one, but people are free to believe it if they want.

Agree to disagree. You seem to think she's much more calculating than she is. In that same scene she admitted to murdering Jon Arryn, which would mean death if any of the Vale Lords or knights found out. Robert is Jon Arryn's son. Not Littlefinger's.

There are stated reasons for him to keep Cersei's secret. Not Littlefingers. There's nothing that suggests that Robert Arryn is Littlefinger's son or that he even slept with her during her marriage to Jon, but you're free to believe what you want.

Just my guesses. Crownlands: 1,500,000 Iron Islands: 2,000,000 (I'm iffy on this one) Dorne: 2,500,000 Stormlands: 3,000,000 Riverlands: 4,500,000 North: 4,500,000 Vale: 4,500,000 Westerlands: 5,000,000 Reach: 10,000,000 Westeros: 37,000,000-38,000,000 Over twice the population of medieval France.

No. He wasn't. Varys has spies even in the North. The idea that he wouldn't be interested in the guy from Gulltown that's banging the Hand of the King's wife seems very unlikely. This isn't a secret that Littlefinger would be able to keep and Varys has no reason to protect LF's secrets, since he's hard to manipulate. Fair point about her being in the Eyrie, but those were almost certainly for her first two miscarriages, which were probably before the Greyjoy Rebellion. They were married for 6 years before LF was appointed at Gulltown.

Jaime being faithful to Cersei does make him better in the relationship in at least one way, but that's not the only thing. Not that it matters. Jaime slept with a married woman and got cheated on himself. It seems like typical GRRM karma. Cersei also admits to constantly lying to him. They aren't really equal.

It is a lie. If Robert wasn't LF's son, then she wouldn't have wanted to give him one, because they'd already have one. He's certainly Jon Arryn's. He wasn't part of Jon's household. He was in Gulltown. Lysa was in Kings Landing. Moreover, Varys woud have ample reason to get rid of someone with the skill and intelligence to upset his plans and that's easy ammunition. "Lord Arryn... Littlefinger's been fucking your wife and passing off his bastard as your son and heir to defraud you." That's all it would take. If you're thinking about Robert's hair color, Catelyn says that Hoster Tully had the same coloring. He likely got it from his grandfather. I'm not sure what the narrative purpose would be to make Robert Arryn a bastard, but he survived in the show. My guess is that he's really Sansa's cousin and he'll be sympathetic to the Stark cause with Yohn Royce as his regent after Littlefinger is ousted.

No. I mean that she was paid. That's the point. No one would ever love him genuinely. The best he could hope for was to pay for a woman, because he's an ugly dwarf. She didn't love him (and he's not entitled to her love), so why would he owe her anything. No. He believed that she was a prostitute. As far as he was aware, she was working. He didn't abandon his wife, because the marriage was false. That's a warped view of events. He loved her until he was told that she was a paid prostitute that didn't actually love him. @Alester Florent You said it much better than me.

Why do you think she'd lie about that while spilling all of her secrets during her final moments spiral? @Lord of Raventree Hall Whispers and promises. LF was a tease. They weren't sleeping together. I really don't think there are a lot of reason to think they were sleeping together. LF doesn't like Lysa and sleeping with the Hand's wife could mean death. Varys would have certainly known about it. One word from him and Baelish's head would have been on a spike.

I meant fake married as in there was no love in the marriage as far as he's aware. It was a trick played on him by his father and Jaime. It's not calling her names. That's what he believed she was. Again, Tyrion was even younger than she was. It's not like he was some 50 year old skeeve. He was 13. The vows he made in a scam marriage? Make it up to her for what? As far as he knew, she was paid to play him.

"I gave you my maiden's gift. I would have given you a son too, but they murdered him with moon tea, with tansy and mint and wormwood, a spoon of honey and a drop of pennyroyal. It wasn't me, I never knew, I only drank what Father gave me..." If there was even a chance of LF being Robert's father, she'd have almost certainly have said it.

Why would he when she was a prostitute that fake married him as far as he knew?

That's funny, but Tyrion was like... 13. He was even younger than her. There are many things to fault him on, but I think he was still mostly innocent at that point.

The Arryn's and Stark's are dogs? Lol. Okay.