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  1. predecessors/successors make sence in the case of inheritible titels, but for positions on the small counsil i think its overkill. The lovers thing i think is also overkill such information can be found in the text on the page.
  2. I agree, that image should not be on the book page as the main image. I have removed it from the infobox when and if she gets a show page it can be used there.
  3. These are Catelyns thoughts on it when she is in a small sept . A Clash of Kings - Catelyn IV the seven walls were cracked and crooked. God is one, Septon Osmynd had taught her when she was a girl, with seven aspects, as the sept is a single building, with seven walls. The wealthy septs of the cities had statues of the Seven and an altar to each. In Winterfell, Septon Chayle hung carved masks from each wall. Here Catelyn found only rough charcoal drawings. And Arya's thoughts on septs. A Feast for Crows - Arya I The septs of Westeros were seven-sided, with seven altars for the seven gods,
  4. Penny Jenny having been pregnant very long at the evening before the Redgrass Field is very unlikely, unless the many men she supposedly slept with to earn her the name Redgrass Jenny all had a fetish for pregnant women. So she very likely had not been pregnant very long likely first trimester and since the Redgrass Field takes place at the end of the year 196 the birth would fall in 197. I admit that this is speculation but the only other option is the pregnant women fetish which i find highly unlikely.
  5. I think it was simply never updated to include the information from TWOIAF, i can't really think of any other reason.
  6. I think its they other way round gold stag on green field, since the stag is worked in gold thread upon a green tunic. But to answer the question it probably is.
  7. I was stating my personal believe and know that assumptions are made in many cases, i do like the compromise but do not have the time to do this right now i will try to get to it as soon as i can.
  8. That the houses are all founded in the Dawn Age is based on they idea that Golden Age equates to Dawn Age for which there is no evidence, and the idea that unreliable narrator does not include the historian making mistakes or using vague language in there continuity, something you have no evidence for. If it is not downright stated it should not end up on the wiki as a fact and in this case it is not downright stated, so while you can put it up as speculation or "most likely" i would not put it up as a fact.
  9. That's a dangerous assumption with George's tendency for unreliable narrator which is why he wanted it to be a book that was written in universe by a maester to begin with, so he could justify the unreliability of the texts. Agreed, its why i am against placing any of these houses in either age definitively. I agree and it is an interesting thing to ponder, but that would be something for the general forum not the wiki forum.
  10. So you believe no First Men houses where founded in The Age of Heroes in the Westerlands, because that would be the implication of that interpretation. Its why the very clear cut from general history to the history of one house is in my opinion more important, and this would also explain why the term golden age is used instead of Dawn Age or Age of Heroes. There would be no reason to use that if they where all founded in the same age Dawn or Heroes.
  11. They only clear cut there for me is the cut between general history and the history of one house (house Casterly) So house Casterly being from the Dawn Age does not mean the houses in the general history spoken of before that are also from the Dawn Age.
  12. I don't dispute that, i dispute that these houses are al placed in the Dawn Age because they only mention of the Dawn Age is in relation to house Casterly directly. For the other houses it is left vague like most of the ancient history.
  13. Exept that George does not do clean cuts like that in his ancient history and one of his most beloved tricks in writing is the unreliable narrator, this is most likely why he uses the term Golden Age of the First Men and not Dawn Age or Age of Heroes. A Golden age is an age in which people thrive and the First Men thrived in both the Dawn Age and the Age of Heroes so it could be either one, but also and this in my opinion is the most likely option both together, encompassing both ages at the same time.
  14. I edited my post probably while you where typing this response, its not clear for any of them because they only clear mention of the Dawn Age is in relation to house Casterly. See my previeus post for the edit.
  15. So i looked up the piece of text and there is a split between the first men houses of the westerlands. The World of Ice and Fire - The Westerlands Many and more great houses trace their roots back to this golden age of the First Men. Amongst these are the Hawthornes, the Footes, the Brooms, and the Plumms. On Fair Isle, the longships of the Farmans helped defend the western coast against ironborn reavers. The Greenfields raised a vast timber castle called the Bower (now simply Greenfield), built entirely of weirwood. The Reynes of Castamere made a rich system of mines, caves, and tunnels as their own subterranean seat, whilst the Westerlings built the Crag above the waves. Other houses sprang from the loins of legendary heroes, of whom tales are told to this very day: the Crakehalls from Crake the Boarkiller, the Baneforts from the Hooded Man, the Yews from the Blind Bowman Alan o' the Oak, the Morelands from Pate the Plowman. The ones that sprang from the loins of legendary heroes would be from The Age of Heroes. The whole bit about the golden age of the first men only applies to the houses mentioned right after it, and then the question becomes what is the golden age of the first men. The mention of the Dawn Age later in the text only applies to house casterly.: The World of Ice and Fire - The Westerlands Though never kings, the Casterlys became the richest lords in all of Westeros and the greatest power in the westerlands, and remained so for hundreds of years. By then the Dawn Age had given way to the Age of Heroes. So while i agree that the houses in the first half of the text are most likely from the Dawn Age the ones from after that are most likely from The Age of Heroes, but because the only mention of the Dawn Age is in relation to House Casterly we can only be certain about them.
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