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I've been so bad the last few weeks, can't believe I'm in 2nd place.

I smell a drop week coming for me.

I wish I had the guts to put more points on Sacksonville! I had a feeling, just wasn't sure if it was Jax winning or something I ate.

I made some picks based on dislikes this week and it cost me. I dislike Jameis Winston so I took Carolina, whoops. I dislike G Bay and again, whoops. I hate Philly, but still took em, I'm not that dumb, but I'd still be happy for them to lose!

Oh and a shockingly bad thing I heard on local talk radio today. No Lions coach has had a winning record in their 2nd season as coach since the 1950's, good luck Patricia.

AKA Miami 2019 bad

People in my area would beg to differ about the Lions. I mean even the Freep Twitter called the team out for "Lioning" a term that basically means to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The only one I wanted to switch and didn't was GB CHI, fuck the packers. Actually fuck the Bears for laying such an egg at home on national television. @Tywin et al. I saw you had a lot of points on the Lions games. Being from the Great Lakes area you should know better than that!

I submitted my picks today, to see if you can see them in there. @Tywin et al.

I checked and I am in the group. I am also against adding the spread.

Too true, especially now that they are starting to bundle, it's just cable all over again. If Amazon and Hulu weren't free I wouldn't have them. I'd gladly dump Netflix but my wife loves a lot of the documentary stuff on it.

We currently have DirecTV with HBO. Netflix, Hulu(my daughter has Spotify and Hulu was free with it) and Amazon Prime, I get it free with my phone. Definitely no shortage of content out there if you know where to look. Pluto tv is out there and it's a free streaming service, has commercials is all. My next big leap will be to cut DirecTV and add an antenna to the house, bump up my internet package so I can stream more, faster, then get HBO GO. Scary though since I watch a lot of shows.

Wow, nice find!

First line, exactly. I can't understand why people say it was a magical horse. The Dothraki, 6 of them, rode horses past her in the very scene before that and yet everyone is shocked that there is a horse there. As to the second part, I think GRRM said that at the beginning of book 1(not in the book but interviews) magic has returned to Westeros for the first time in (?) years and that has brought with it dragons, wargs, the others etc. I can't find a quote but would swear by it. Now, why did magic come back, is it gone, and will it return again??

I enjoyed it and I am glad it is done. Sick of seeing trolls come here the last few weeks and take away from actual discussion. As the episode went on and they were in the dragon pit I thought for sure we would get a call back to S1 Bealor when Ned was beheaded. I thought that Jon would lose his head for the good of the realm while Sansa and Arya watched. I thought Grey Worm was going to insist on it for peace and Bran and Jon btw would agree to it. Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei and breaking down was done well. I held my breath the whole scene though, if they had been alive I would have gone to the dark side and given this a 1. It was haunting how the ashes fell the entire time knowing that those ashes were most likely those of humans who burned. Grim reminder of what happened and a throwback to WW2 when towns near execution camps would have ash fall on them. Got another real WW2 feel from the scene as Dany came out to address the troops, I am sure it was on purpose. Loved that as she walked out the dragon wings appeared as her own, nice touch. When Arya was talking to Jon and turned to look at Dany and said I know a killer when I see one, is it just me or did her face not look like Maisie Williams? I can't describe it but I watched it twice and something looks off about her eyes maybe? IDK she just looked different. Gave Jon a nice reminder that if he doesn't kill Dany Sansa and the North will burn. Liked the Jon and Tyrion prisoner speech, sure as hell beat the Jaime/Tyrion beetle talk! And the last thing Tyrion reminds Jon of, if you don't do this, your sisters burn next. I also like that Dany never sat on the Throne. Fitting that he whole adult life was spent getting to that point and when it's there she doesn't do it. I think they showed Jon trying one last time to see the good in Dany, and finding only the one who says that no one else in the world gets to decide how to live. The entire world kneels or it burns. You can see the life go out of him and he knows it's done. I wasn't surprised at all the Drogon didn't burn Jon, I said last week that Jon would kill her and Drogon wouldn't do it. The melting of the throne was not a bad thing since it's what all the death was for, so break the wheel and start over fresh, and Bran doesn't need a throne he brings his own! I do wish that Drogon had used his mouth so carry Dany off. I mean it's possible to do it the way he did, after all hawks and eagles can do it in real life right? The last part about this, I would have assumed Grey Worm would kill Jon immediately. Not much to say about the dragon pit meeting. I think once it started it was clear Bran would be the King. He is the one who doesn't want power, so he is least likely to abuse it. Didn't like the North getting away so cleanly though. Edmure getting shot down was a call back to every scene he has been in basically. Small council meeting sucked for me. Bronn being there ruined it. I can see him having High Garden as promised and that has power but having him as master of coin was silly. I assume Bran chose Sam to be his Grand Maester, and who is gonna say no? Pod showing up as KG also made no sense. Cut that entire scene and the episode is better off for it. The endings. Arya heading off to parts unknown for me is fitting. She was never going to be some Lady, we have known that since season 1. She wasn't going back to WF, told us on screen two episodes ago. What's left for her to do but to explore? She would be like a wild animal caged up if she was just sitting around, she has to roam. Not gonna guess how she got that direwolf ship so fast though, must've been made in the Iron Islands since it was so fast! Sansa, well she got what she wanted, to be Queen. Jon, punished in the best possible way. Back North, to the nights watch that doesn't exist anymore and is not needed. So, to the true north with Tormund and Ghost. Have to admit when he got there and the gates closed and the screen went black I was like, F you give him his moment with Ghost. Then they did it. So he gets to be free in the only truly free part of Westeros, with Tormund and Ghost and the wildlings who know what he went through for all of them. Not a bad way to live. He will of course be miserable, but he is Jon after all. All in all I loved the series from beginning to end. Were there some shit moments, yep. Were there some great moments, yep, many many more. For me, this is definitely in my top 5 series of all time. IDK if you hate it or it sucked or whatever, save yourself the time of typing.

Gave it a solid 7. There were some mistakes in it but overall it was a satisfying end to a long story. My only gripes are that Grey Worm would have killed Jon as soon as he found out what happened and the small council meeting seemed a bit silly especially with Bronn at the table. Podrick showing up as a Kingsguard nope, maybe as Brans valet or something but not as Kingsguard. I like that Jon had to be the one to kill Dany. Didn't mind Drogon not roasting him at all, he is Targaryen after all and was a dragon rider. I thought the scene showing his anguish was pretty good, other than him picking up Dany with his foot. His mouth would have made more sense but oh well. Jons "punishment" is actually best case scenario, he is back where he started and still miserable. At least he has Tormund and Ghost, who finally got some loving. Seeing Ayra sailing off to me makes perfect sense. She explicitly two episodes ago said I am not going back North, and I am not going to be someones Lady. So what's left, be a sellsword, nope, that's basically what drove her away from the FM, killing good people for money, so that's not her either. Going to WF with Sansa would bore her to tears. Sailing away to a place no one else knows about, makes sense. Now, how she got that Direwolf ship so fast is another story. Sansa. This one I didn't like too much, the North getting to be independent. All of the realm suffered, not just the North. Granted the North fought the AotD but still. Her being Queen of the North makes sense if they are independent but I just don't like them breaking away. Dorne has always had a Prince so I guess it's not too far fetched.

Ah ok, I thought you were disenfranchised! I love the way this is going, would've been to "normal"(?) if Dany had won it and not had the chaos that will follow this. If next episode we get Azor Ahai but not in the way most people imagined. That Azor Ahai was going to stop the big bad NK, but instead the true darkness is Dany...

I'd invest in insurance if I was you!

If no one cared, no one would watch, no one would have huge reactions blowing up this site and twitter. People care, people care deeply.

Can't agree with this post more. Martin wrote this, yes he didn't write the episode but this ending has him written all over it. Showing that humans are the true threat to humanity. There have been tons of hints in the books and show about Targaryens going mad, her actions have shown vengence, not justice, going way back. As you said about the good guys doing this,...history is written by the victors.... If she was to rule and continue her line for a hundred years, this will not be written as she conquered and sacked KL but instead how she liberated it from Cersei, the destroyer of the Sept of Baleor... and how she saved humanity from the others. To the victors go the spoils.

I liked this episode a lot. If I could edit out Euron washing up on shore to fight Jaime I would have rated this a lot higher. That and if I didn't see Janos Slynt atop the Wall looking at the wildlings and mumbling about Giants and cold rolled steel every time I saw Cersei saying how safe she was and how the Lannisters would fight harder than any sellsword... I loved that they went all in on Dany going mad and burning it all to the ground. If you are going that direction then by god go all out and do it. I would've disliked it if she only burned surrendering soldiers and such. Same with Grey Worm, IMO she told him what she planned to do because he followed suit immediately. Personally I think Emelia acted very well these last couple episodes. One second she is laughing and happy and the next she is stone faced and seeming hateful, showing her inner battle. I also liked that some of the Northern forces joined in the sacking, it was realistic and shows that they can be just as immoral as anyone else. On my first viewing I missed that Varys was trying to poison Dany using the little girl but it failed because Dany wasn't eating. I just thought the girl was trying to get messages out. Then I re watched it and caught that the girl worked in the kitchen and that she felt like the soldiers were watching her. I was like, oh shit, he is trying to kill her and sending messages out. Now I assume he did send messages out to all the remaining lords to try to get them to come to KL and support Jon, what happens next with that is anyone's guess. Ok, so Dany will know that Tyrion visited with Jaime and Jaime is gone, so I assume she plans to burn Tyrion next week? Does Grey Worm tell Dany that Jon held back his forces when they started killing the surrendering forces? If so does she use that as an excuse to put Jon on trial as well? Does she try to use Drogon to burn Jon and Drogon refuses, or he does it and Jon doesn't burn, but rises from the ashes and smoke to kill Dany? Last note. I have an opinion of the show, I liked it. Don't waste your time telling me how stupid it is, how horrible this or that was. Just let me enjoy it and I will try to let you not enjoy it!

I love it when the series gives us moments when we question who we root for. I gave this a 7, would've been a solid 8 for me if not for Euron / Jaime scenes. I hate that Dany has spiraled into madness, and IMO it has been telegraphed for a while. What I like most about this is that the show didn't hold back. They knew what they were going for and went all in. If we had only seen Dany burning adults and soldiers people could still make excuses to redeem her, but they way this went down that's all gone. She and Grey Worm clearly had talked ahead of time and he knew her plan. I also liked that it showed the Northern forces being just as immoral, pack mentality, as Danys' armies were. Again, as I mentioned before, this series is about how horrible humans are to each other, that they are the true threat to humanity, not mindless ice zombies. The wights and walkers were a simple misdirection for everyone. Humans are the true threat to humanity. So, Arya is Assor Assai(spelling)...she arose out of smoke and ashes. Have to assume she is killing Dany for this using someones face, then maybe Jon kills her defending his queen not knowing it and we have our bitter sweet ending? Hated every scene Jaime was in. The tent with Tyrion was just a repeat of Catelyn Stark scene IMO. Then the preposterous fight with Euron washing up on shore. I probably should of given the episode a 6 for this alone. I don't mind Jaime and Cersei dying together though. Basically the world crumbling around them. I didn't like Cerseis' scenes while the battle was going on, too much of a call back to Janos Slynt when facing the wildling army...there's no such thing as giants, the door is cold rolled steel....she reminded me of that scene instantly. I loved the Hound slapping reality into Arya. Showing her that if she keeps on the path she is on she will become him, a hateful vengeful person with no love in her life. I wish they had given them just a little more time and dialogue between them. Between this conversation and what Arya witnessed and went though in the attack I think she will have been reborn a new person. If she survives then the last scene may be her riding up to Storms End and seeing Gendry. (total fan service fan fiction I admit).

Please stop posting references to leaks, especially in this context. If you have to keep doing it at least use the spoiler tags that are provided.

They specifically said that the bulk of the Unsullied and all the remaining Dothraki would march south with Jon on the Kings road. They didn't have enough ships to carry them all.

Ok, so now it will be my turn to assume some things. Ep 4 in the map room they say they lost like over half the Dothraki and the Unsullied. Would that mean they did just what you said and kept some in reserve? I assumed watching the episode that basically all the Dothraki were gone, save a few who retreated. But, Ep 4 seems to suggest otherwise. I can't check the scene right now and may be remembering it wrong though.