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I can't believe so many people get butt hurt over characters dying. OMG Areo is dead, killed by a girl no less!!! Funny, last time I read the books the Sand Snakes were fearsome and known killers. So a guard unexpectedly got killed by one, big deal.

This is the television adaptation, in this adaptation Areo was never built up to be anything special and he died exactly like that, nothing special, killed by the people we have been shown are special at killing.

If you want to have expansive details on every person, every place, every piece of food, read the books. You cannot expect to get that kind of depth or detail in a tv series from 1000 page books, just can't do it. It has taken GRRM years and years just to write one book, in tv you don't have that luxury.

1 hour ago, Holymoly said:

Let's be honest GRRM's writing isn't exactly of the highest quality either. The first book was damn good and could have been left at that. The ideas are good but the entire story creaks beneath the weight of the number of characters being described. I've been reading the books for the last few years purely in order to get to the end. The TV series is enjoyable spectacle but is no great art form let's not kid ourselves.

See I tend to agree with you. The first three books are much better. Then it seems like he realized how big of a world he created and each needed to be included in the books and it became overwhelming. To me the whole Dorne plot line could have been left out. I mean, in the first couple books it is barely mentioned and those are the better books. I think he got himself in trouble writing wise and Mereen and Dorne are the result of it. Those two areas were the worst for me in the books, that and Briennes wandering adventures. The show can't even make it better, they possibly could have cut the entire thing too but didn't, cuz , you know, bad pussy had to be spoken!

I love the show and don't mind that others don't, I will still watch it, twice per week since I re watch on Mondays. I gave it a 7, would've been 6.5 if able to. Had Dorne not existed it would be 8 or so.

2 hours ago, Protector of Stokeworth said:

I think the grass showed where the horde was and where Dany had stood. That's how they could find it so easily.

Think you are missing my point. If you are in Mereen and just see a dragon fly off in a general north direction, and you are on horseback, not flying, what are the odds you will track it without seeing it again? You couldn't see anything for miles around when Dany was on top of that hill, nothing and yet they are able to get to her spot.

I thought it was a decent opening episode, gave it a 7, 6.5 would have been closer to my thoughts.

I liked a lot of what was happening at the wall. I think Davos jumping to avenge Jon seemed a little quick but I can overlook that. Will have to search for images of the blood pool since it sounds like it may have a dragon image in it.

The hunt for Sansa and Theon was a little clunky especially with the dogs disappearing during the fight.

Melisandre's glamour reveal was unexpected. Now that they have shown it you have to wonder where it's leading.

Arya, pretty much as with the books except it's the waif instead of the KOM

Dorne, well, if the show had an ignore feature Dorne would be on it.

Cersei and Jaime, strange seeing both of them humbled. Last we saw them Cersei was looking down on Jaime and now she is right there with him.

Dany, pretty much makes sense. She is supposed to be in Vas Dothrak as a widow, so them taking her there makes works. Works to get her another chunk of her army since they will follow her once Drogon shows up and she mounts him.

Little disappointed in not seeing Bran, again, but I expect we will see a lot of him next episode and some Sam as well.

12 minutes ago, GrapefruitPerrier said:

The pacing in this show is absolutely awful.  No wonder they only have a few episodes left.  

Dany is a prisoner for all of five minutes and then "Oh, you are a khaleesi, OK, be free"

Jorah and the stud spend two minutes riding to exactly the right two spots in all of Essos, after conversing with no one to get clues.

The writing of the showrunners is simply awful, and HBO needs to move the show to a real writers.

I'd say that this was a troll comment If the Daario and Jorah part wasn't so true.

However, the 2nd half of your 1st point is not based on any truth. The show runners want to end it not HBO. Then add to that your take on Dany, she isn't free, they are taking her to Vas Dothrak where she is supposed to be, based on their traditions. Then saying HBO should take this away from D&D? HBO is basically begging them to stay and do more.

Good enough first episode of the season.

The Wall - I thought this was done pretty well actually. And, yes, we are supposed to notice the blood. At first I thought Davos was just looking at the amount of it, but a shape could be there. I do feel it's a little rushed for Davos to basically commit his life to getting revenge for Jon. The Mel scene, at first I was like, does she ever NOT show her tits? Then they did the reveal and I understood a little better what they were going for.

Sansa and Theon - ok scene I guess. The dogs disappearing is silly but oh well. It was almost as silly as Sansa doing a Cat impression with Briene. And Pod, last we saw of him on a horse he could barely even ride it and now he can sword fight on one?

Jorah and Dahrio - well we all new last year that they would miraculously find that damn ring. The whole world is around them and they get right onto the path where she was.

Dany - Pretty much what was expected, taking her to Vas Dothrak and she now gets more people for her army.

Dorne - Yeah, I will pretty much ignore this area for a while still.

Boltons - Nice little set up for poor Fat Walda to get Ramsey'd if she is pregnant.

I have the same issue as others. I had to switch to Chrome a month or so back because using Explorer I couldn't post, now I had to switch back to Explorer and it works.

^^^ This is true more than anything else. The person they like dies or is not shown as they would like to see them and the ratings crash, the show sucks, writing sucks blah blah blah.

Im not a book purist so I liked the episode.

Arya is basically where she was in the books, she now has been blinded, and maybe this, like in the book will teach her to use her warging abilities?

Reek and Sansa have jumped the wall similar to the book except for fArya.

Got the "battle" of Winterfell. Man, Stannis just knew he had lost before it started. Every person had worse and worse news for him. He wakes up and remembers he killed the one true good thing in his life. Half his army abandons him for it. His wife hangs herself. His witch rides off and leaves him. Stannis being Stannis he marches on, hey guys get ready for the siege....uhh boss, there won't be a siege, we are fucked... I just wish Brienne hadn't been there to kill him, felt cheap to me.

I didn't quite get Myrcella being poisoned. If Jaime decides to have the boat turn around the sand snakes and whats her name all die, so what good is that? We are to assume Jaime just keeps on heading to KL after being called dad by his daughter who then dies in his arms? Dorne sucked right to the end.

Cersie walk of shame was done pretty well, it did seem a little to long for me and I enjoy seeing naked women, so that isn't the issue! Felt like it could have been shortened and still had the same impact. I did like Robert Strongs decayed looking face in the helmet though. Seeing Pycelle and Kevan there made me think a cross bow was coming but no...

OK, Dany with Drogon, just fine, no issue. Her being found by a khalasar(?) no problem, she is where we thought she would be. Jorah and Daario going off on a tracking mission? How do you track something that flies? "uhh it headed north so we will just go north"... That was silly.

Leaving Tyrion, Grey Worm and Misande there to rule makes perfect sense and I would bet Tyrion gets the place under control quickly. As for the other part...Varys just showing up by his side was fucking stupid. All we needed was a few more minutes of screen time, a knock on a door, hey you have a visitor, some bald eunich is here to see you, something, anything.

And Jon. Damn it damn it damn it. You even stabbed him worse than in the books, a lot of gut stabs. And you put the red witch up there with him so now I have to worry about the kiss of life.

42 more weeks to go.

Gave it an 8. Hated seeing my boy Jon get stabbed in the gut so many times. In the book I could see him surviving, but this many gut shots, I don't see how. I was never a fan of the kiss of life and now it seems like that is his only chance.

RIP, Jon Snow, Stannis, Selsye, and Myrcella, basically the entire Baratheon line..... random red shirt army guys x5000, and lastly, RIP Cersie's hair!

Funny how people are complaining about so many cliff hangers, since it's pretty much where the last book left off.

All of this outrage, and if Stannis sacrifices Shireen in the next book...Oh, well GRRM did it properly and now it makes sense, if DD had just done this it would be ok. blah blah blah

@dannyk65 , no. If you read the post it's about clearing the posts from here that are only here to criticize a show they will never like and yet continue to watch. It's unfortunate that you have to wade through all of them to get to discussions on the show that are not always going to be negative.

Imagine how much cleaner the thread would be without posts from people who are only here to be negative. I thought that was why the rant and rave thread exists.

The amazing thing to me is if people criticize GRRM in the book section moderators and others jump in and say hey, stop, discuss but don't get personal, and yet DD get destroyed.

Here in the U.S. when we had the Presedential elections and Obama was running for his 1st term there were thousands of American "patriots" who swore they would leave the US if he won. 7 years later, he is still the President and those people who swore to leave are still here.

Here in the forum we have people who swear they will not watch Season 5, and yet, 9 episodes later they are still here crying and bitching and clogging up the space with their hate that will never change.

It sure would be nice and respectful if people who have nothing but hate would stay in the nit pick forum. It's clear that 25% of the people on here will never further a conversation in a positive manner.

Do we all watch the same show and read the same books?

It's not just women who are suffering in this series.

How many men were forced to marry for the family? How many are sent off to foster with strangers for the family? How many are sent off to war as children? How many references in the series are there about so and so and his affinity for boys? There are male prostitutes, male slaves...

I seem to remember a certain Greyjoy getting flayed. Some Stark Lord getting burned to death while his son watched and strangled himself to death trying to help him.

The series kills, tortures and destroys everyone, little by little everyone pays the price.

Take your morals and use them in real life and fix injustices in real life and leave the fantasy world alone.

Hell I gave it a 9, I actually liked the episode and thought a lot happened and a lot more was set up.

Arya ignored her task and instead followed Trant. She will either go back and change her face to kill Trant or get stopped by Jaqen. To me it has set her up to be blinded in the next episode as a punishment.

Jon getting back and the obvious disapproval of the NW other than Sam. Getting a few thousand wildlings through to safety is a big deal. Setting up the season ending cliffhanger.

Ramsey torching Stannis and making their situation that much more desperate. I wish Davos hadn't said the line, "about 20 men", we didn't need that reference we already knew who it was.

The sacrifice has been coming all season and can't be that shocking to the people here. It was absolutely horrible and as a father I can say it would never happen under my watch. Take my blood instead since I am the King and have my own kings blood. People are saying that it's out of character for him to do this but it really isn't, he sacrificed family members and his own lords.

Does Davos basically deliver the pink letter now? Is the message he brings Jon about sending men and food going to replace the pink letter and be the tipping point?

Dorne, heck even Dorne wasn't bad this week!

Dany and Drogon. This was done very well in my mind. I was worried since day one how realistic they would be able to have a person riding a dragon and I think it was done pretty well. I liked how Dany and Missande basically held hands and were basically resigned to their fate until they heard the dragon shriek.

I am surprised at the number of comments that nothing happened. To me wildlings being allowed past the gates was big. A king sacrificing his only heir was huge. Dany flying off on a dragon, the first time that has happened in what a hundred years, was epic.

Near the end of the battle when they were showing the knights king from the feet and scanning up I was half expecting it to be Benjen Stark. For some reason I kept expecting him to appear. Imagine how Jon would have felt had he been the one to raise up the dead and stare at him from the beach with those blue eyes.

I really liked this episode. It seemed like there was no let down from the start to the finish.

Cat of the canals...nice drop if you noticed it. Ice spiders got a mention. We saw Wun-Wun! I was thinking he would be cut from the show. Lord o bones made a splash of an appearance

Very clear how the final battle is setting up now and clearly fire vs ice. Valyrian steel and dragon glass and dragon fire?

Liked how Tyrion referenced Dany not going to Westeros, about wanting something more. What if she never truly goes to Westeros and instead heads north to the battle for humanity.

Dany and the broken wheel speech made it.

Just such a well done episode that it's hard to capture it all.

I really liked this episode. It seemed like there was no let down from the start to the finish.

Cat of the canals...nice drop if you noticed it. Ice spiders got a mention. We saw Wun-Wun! I was thinking he would ne cut from the show.

Very clear how the final battle is setting up now and clearly fire vs ice. Valyrian steel and dragon glass and dragon fire?

Liked how Tyrion referenced Dany not going to Westeros, about wanting something more. What if she never truly goes to Westeros and instead heads north to the battle for humanity.

Dany and the broken wheel speech made it.

Just such a well done episode that it's hard to capture it all.

I was wondering about the hood also, kept waiting for it to stand up.

Gave it a 9, one of the best of the entire series. I am sure people will find something to latch on and bitch about but to hell with them!

Cersei licking water off the floor like a dog, my how the mighty have fallen.

Sansa and Reek, now she knows Bran and Rickon are alive.

Roose and Ramsey, looks like a raiding party is in the works.

Tyrion and Dany talking. Nice to see a little back and forth where neither trusts the other and both give some smart ass responses.

Hardhome - better than expected. Nights King appearance, seeing that Valyrian steel kills a wight, and a well done large scale battle.

Kevan Lannister back in KL

Varys getting some love to Dany from Tyrion

NO DORNE!!!!

Going to watch it again today.

Cersei could be arrested for incest with Jaime since, while married to the King, Lancel knows about that. Pretty sure it was also stated that she instructed Lancel to give Robert too much wine. Oh, and she was having sex with Lancel also.

Again, same statement, sex is not in the vows. Have no family, father no children is. That's why molestown was nearby, to release some pent up energy. Funny plot hole there though. Molestown was a whore house right... so how did the nightswatch brothers pay them? They don't receive any money for being in the nightswatch do they, they don't have any type of money generating activities.

HBO has stated they do not want a movie. They are a pay channel for their subscribers and would feel like they ripped of the customers if they did a movie to end it. They have to remain true all of to their paying customers, not just fans of one show.

I would be pissed off as a HBO subscriber if AGOT, and True detective and The Sopranos all ended in theatres instead of on HBO where it was built. If they want to do a Roberts rebellion prequel, or show it on big screen two weeks after, so be it, but do not end the story there.

I gave it a 7, tied for lowest of the season, and strangely when I watched it the first time I liked it more. I watched it again yesterday and found myself fast forwarding a lot.

Jon, should have taken Ghost, but now you can see why they didn't.

The attempted rape of Gilly didn't seem out of place to me at all. To me that is setting up the mood for how dangerous the wall is becoming. Jon is gone, Aemon is gone, and most of the brothers are criminals. There is one female there amongst those men and no moles town to go to for hookers. To me Gilly and Sam may still head south to Oldtown if for no reason but to get her to safety.

Sansa was exactly what I expected, she trusts easily and though Theon would help her, but Theon is gone, Reek is what remains. Sansa is smarter and bolder, she was throwing bastard in his face for a reason. Sansa is trying to set him up for conflict and hoping she can advance herself in the chaos.

Dorne, better since it didn't seem comical. I mean the fight last week was just silly, all of them are trained badasses and no one died, just silly. Hopefully they play Jaime out so he sees just how Cersei manipulates him.

Fighting pit. FINALLY. Dany And Tyrion meet, been waiting a few years for this. Now we have to see how they get along. I also see it as strange how she could watch the dragons tear a man apart and eat him but she turns away from men killing men.

I saw the Arya getting slapped as she was lying and didn't even realize it. She didn't hate the Hound in the end and Jaqen could sense it even if she couldn't, so to him she was lying.

@JohnSmith so you keep watching because why?