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  1. Someone please outline a proposed path for Bran to take the Throne that would make logical sense in the books.
  2. There is simply no logical path for Bran to the Throne. His place is among the weirwoods, among the Old Gods, not ruling the Andals and the followers of the Faith of the Seven. He is called the Prince of Winterfell by George multiple times. The lords of the South have no reason to pick him as King. He can’t have children. He is a boy in the books, way too young to be a King. There is simply no way this is happening. He will be King in the North, with Rickon as his heir. Even the Show’s outcome is not really a King. It is a kind of chancellor, elected each time the previous one dies. In other words, some kind of Ruling Council with an elected leader. When the Iron Throne gets melted, it really means it is gone. And I can really see Sansa thriving as King Bran of Winterfell’s ambassador on this council. And even as its elected head at some point. After all, that’s what her training arc prepared her for.
  3. I think Sansa has a bigger chance of ending on the new throne of the South than Bran does. I get a sense they might not have liked the visual of Sansa taking the Throne after Dany’s death so they switched her and Bran’s fates around to make the blow less painful to Dany fans. Now an emotionless robot has taken Dany’s place, rather than a rival female taking it from her. Especially if Sansa marries shrewdly, I can see her as a powerful figure in southron politics. That’s if there is a Throne in the South, which is by no means guaranteed. In fact, if the Iron Throne is melted I don’t quite understand why that is not a hint of the Throne being disbanded in its entirety. Why should only the North get independence. I think what happens is Jon gets the Throne and he disbands it and heads off to the Wall to become the 1000th Lord Commander. So there is no King. Just a council of the Great Powers to govern relations between them.
  4. The Show diverted Sansa North in place of Jeyne Pool. That set up an arc for her which left no room for Bran and Rickon in the Northern plot. In the books I think Bran becomes Prince of Winterfell with Rickon his heir. By pushing Sansa into that space the Show diverted Bran to the Iron Throne when there is no reason whatsoever that the other Great Lords would pick a Stark as King over them all. So Bran does become King. But King in the North, not King of Westeros. Why would the Faith pick the high priest of the Old Gods as King of the Seven Kingdoms in any case? It makes no sense.
  5. Can we have a definitive thread to discuss the implications of the Show for the future book plot. Which parts are true and which are nonsense? I have my thoughts. Let's discuss. So let's start with the Iron Throne. I don't think Bran becomes King. I cannot see any path to him being elected King by the other Great Lords. There will be a Great Council, but like always politics will win the day, and the faction with the most support will choose the King. Just like Jon's election as Lord Commander back in Book 3.
  6. Another fail by the D&D. Stannis also sent letters by Raven. To every lord in Westeros. Predictably no one believed him. Why would they then believe Varys the Spymaster of all people? The mechanism for the reveal of Jon’s identity will be different, and far more powerful in the books.
  7. I still want to know why they didn’t all just hang out at Winterfell while a conveniently available Faceless Assassin snuck into King’s Landing and offed Cersei? Million lives saved. Boom!
  8. Martin isn’t writing a story about bringing democracy to a feudal society. That’s just the Showrunners idiot idea. Martin writes about power and the people who use it. The Hundred Years War didn’t end with the monarchy ending in England. It ended with a new dynasty taking power. So there is no imperative for feudalism to end in the books.
  9. These dimwit Showrunners think they are artists. That was the purpose of the horse. They think it is artistic in some way. Meanwhile it is just dumb.
  10. Jon becomes King. And disbands the Iron Throne before taking the Black.
  11. Lord Varys

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  12. It seems clear that Euron is not feeding Aeron precious Shade of the Evening just for shits and giggles. Euron doesn't care about the visions that Aeron is experiencing. No, he is doing this with a purpose. The reference to holy man with holy blood, together with the warlocks, Septons and Red Priest in the dungeons, makes it clear that Euron is using Shade of the Evening to awaken the magical properties in Aeron's blood. As he says, he has need of that blood. And that is of course to serve as the blood sacrifice to power the spell he is going to use to sink the Redwyne fleet. I'm sure Pyat Pree and the septons are being tied to the prows of some of his other ships. And as for Falia Flowers - she carries Euron's son or daughter in her belly. So by sacrificing her he is adding some King's Blood to the spell. Some powerful magical stuff about to go down.
  13. Nonsense. Martin has written plenty of dark, evil characters. This fable of him only writing grey characters really needs to be put to bed. The Tickler The Mountain Ramsay Bolton The Lord of Bones Qyburn Vargo Hoat Shagwell The Slavers of Meereen, Yunkai and Astapor The friggin entire Dothraki nation - an entire culture of pure evil The list goes on and on
  14. Yeah, I agree that there is no evidence for it. But the reference to Euron dreaming that he could fly, when he was young, certainly hints to his greenseeing talent. Whether he was contacted by Bloodraven thereafter, however, well, we have no evidence for that.
  15. I don't see why a magical ancestor is required for someone to have greenseeing talent. We learn that one man in a million with First Man blood has the greenseeing talent. Given that ratio, Bran and Bloodraven should have a few dozen compatriots spread across Westeros. Maybe the one in a million was just a figure of speech, so it might be rarer than that. But Euron being one with such a Gift is easily explained within that context.
  16. I don't think Valyrian steel was produced by Dragonlords in any case. I think it was produced by the blood-sorcerer craftsmen of Old Valyria. And the Dragonlords employed such artisans much like a Westerosi lord employes a Maester or Smith. Only, these guys were quite rare, even in Valyria. I expect that the Targaryens weren't wealthy enough to bring such a sorcerer to Dragonstone.
  17. To me, if a large Tyrell force gets defeated at Storm's End, and if Euron has sacked the Arbor, destroys the Reach's fleet and starts raiding up the Mander at will, then much of the remaining Tyrell forces in King's Landing will be diverted South, leaving their influence in King's Landing much, much weaker. That will allow Aegon to take King's Landing, with Euron the wildcard causing havoc all along the South. I expect plenty of Tyrells to die in this process.
  18. Yeah. The point is, there is an almighty three (or four) way tussle coming in the South, between the Lannisters, Aegon+Dorne, Euron and the Tyrells caught in the middle of them all. The loss of life will be immense.
  19. Do we know that Hizdahr was even part of the plan when George originally wrote the prophecy, or was he just a late solution to the Mereneese knot?
  20. Good write up, Lord Varys. Credit to you about the threat level of Euron. My view was that unless he gets a Dragon, his plot would seem foolish, given his lack of military resources. Looks like he might not get the Dragon, but - as you predicted - Martin is ramping up the magic to the next level in Euron's plot - to help him balance out his military deficit. He is going to be a big player indeed. As an aside, I do note how my prediction of the South descending into chaos and being weakened as much as the North is starting to become reality. Just from a naval point of view, if Euron destroys the Redwynne and Hightower fleets, then Manderlys 50 warships will be left as one of the strongest naval forces this side of the Narrow Sea. And he is still building more. I expect a similar trend in terms of land forces too, with the Tyrell and other southron armies being decimated in the coming Southern conflict.
  21. I imagine a school of krakens obeying Euron's call, pulling Redwyne ships down by the score. Maybe I'm getting carried away, but the image is exciting.
  22. So the various kings and queens then, fighting over the realm. Who is the tall terrible bride, though? What could hands of white fire symbolize?
  23. OK, so without the Iron Fleet there is clearly no way that Euron can win a naval battle against the Redwynne battle fleet, not to mention with the Hightower fleet added to the mix. Lord Varys raised the possibility in a previous discussion that Euron might use some magic to swing the battle in his favour. Well, after all of the supernatural stuff with captive priests, brides with hands of white fire an so on in this chapter, I would not be surprised if he used some blood magic sacrifice to raise a storm that sinks half the Redwynne fleet, or raises a thick mist to confuse them, or something to that effect.
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