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  1. Not really an exactly 'unpopular' opinion but I believe a huge amount of the fanbase are confused why Catelyn has kidnapped Tyrion. I have seen a lot of discussions that refer to Catelyn taking Tyrion to punish him for what she thought was trying to kill Bran, when in fact that wasn't the reason for kidnapping at all.
  2. Jaime sees a dream in a sleep. But of course you will treat it as his real intentions. And I see, you do call Ned as "possessive", well, then you do you. Anyway, enjoy.
  3. That's what you implied, not sure why are you trying to shy away from your words. Unless you agree with me now that it was a silly thing to write. Must be in your edition of the books. So? Will you call him "possessive" in this case?
  4. You have claimed that Jaime is possessive of Cersei in the context that he would have killed Cersei's child if it wasn't his. That means you have clearly meant that Jaime's supposed "possessiveness" was something bad. And all of that based on the fact that Jaime hated that Cersei was sleeping with another man. So yeah, if, let's imagine, Catelyn cheats on Ned and Ned dislikes this, would you say the same thing about him? Would you even call him "possessive" in the first place?
  5. I just found the sentence I initially quoted hilarious, and am just going with it indeed. You have described having a completely normal emotional response as something bad, so am now wondering if you will remain consistent and apply the same logic to other characters. He wanted to please Cersei far more than to have her children to be his. Which is why he gave up on them so easily. Jaime himself thinks about this in aSoS with regards to how horrible that was and that he will never behave like that again. He could have refused, but, again, he was just doing what he was told. Jaime was a "yes-man" to Cersei at that point. Cersei was indeed the instigator of everything, and if not Jaime, would have found someone else to help her, both with abortion and with denying Robert from heirs. Remember that this was entirely her decision when she sound out Robert was cheating on her. If Jaime wasn't available, she would have slept with someone else instead. Maybe that would have made less obvious her children are bastards though. Depends on who would she have found. Jaime sees his children as Robert's already. If the children were Robert's, he would have done what he was already doing - sucking it up and trying to please Cersei. Jaime wasn't a person to just lash out on his own like that, compromising Cersei's life. Otherwise he wouldn't have needed his character arc.
  6. Why, thought? Just want to figure out who do you think shares their partners in asoiaf. Since you started this conversation.
  7. Do you believe Ned was a decent man or not thought?
  8. Don't treat that post seriously, it was an irony on the idea, that Jaime disliking the fact that his partner sleeps with another man makes him a bad person. Hence that if we agree that Ned was a good person, then by that logic their life with Catelyn was pretty spicy.
  9. Well, apparently you have to share you partner to be a decent person.
  10. Of course he had no right to be upset! It's absolutely disgusting that he was, what an awful human being. A good man wouldn't be in his place. Like, four of Ned's children don't have typical Stark features. Why? Because Ned was a good man.
  11. Ho dares Jaime to hate the fact that his life partner sleeps with another man. Any decent man must be a willing cuckold!
  12. I would question the very idea that Jaime's relationship with Cersei defines his redemption arc that a lot of people seem to hold (and the show definitely went with this interpretation as well, so that doesn't help). I mean, Cersei wasn't even relevant to his arc in aSoS, so how can it be about her?
  13. Man, the braindead takes on the Ukraine war... Ukraine has actual anti-aircraft capabilities. This is why infrastructure destruction in Ukraine is limited relative to its size. Russia can't destroy it because they simply can't fly their plane beyond proximity to a frontline. They tried to do it with long range ballistic missiles but at some point they simply started running out of them. Then they bought Iranian drones to do it but then Ukraine adapted. That's all there is. Now, if you look at infrastructure where the actual fighting is going on, it's erased from the face of the earth with artillery. Did you see how towns like Bakhmut, Popasna, Maryinka and most especially Mariupol look like? There were huge outcries about Israel bombing hospitals, well, let me laugh in your face because hospitals getting obliterated in East Ukraine is such a non-news, no one is talking about it. And with regards to civilian casualties, no one has any idea how many of them are, simply because all these destroyed cities are under Russia's control who don't report any truth whatsoever about civilian casualties. So all your talk about Russia caring about Ukrainians lives are just straight up bullshit from your part. Like it was said by others, they don't care about any lives whatsoever.
  14. What's the one thing? I thought I said it made perfect sense? What do you mean he doesn't know who he is anymore? Isn't he a Lannister above gods? I am teasing.. a big spill out... on something... But why would he feel worthless if he was a Lannister above gods? Eh, fine, so be it, I will: "Aye," his cousin said. "I don't doubt your sister needs you. Why did she send off Kevan? I thought she'd make him Hand." "He would not take it." He was not as blind as I was. So why did you mention that he thought about Cersei in that moment? Yet he thought Catelyn to be interesting and compared her to Cersei. Yeah, it was totally platonic, brotherly even, haha Haha, I wasn't even serious when I mentioned it. Not sure what Aurane has to do with anything either. In what way she found her match? I believe that it can be a sign, but not necessarily, and you have to look at more evidence than just that. You will see this evidence in Cersei, but not in Jaime. You think there is? What conclusion are you talking about? And, I mean, I simply respond to short snappy remarks with short snappy remarks, I will not say I was debating at all since I know it's pointless. Because as I have said, we read different books, and you tend to bend facts in order to win an argument instead of actually debate with any kind of analysis. But if you wanna continue to do that, sure, I will. To be honest, I think Cersei's infatuation with Rhaegar should have a huge asterisk because she was in love with him... before she even saw his face. She really fell head over heels with his status of a crown prince more than anything.
  15. I think you should start asking about triple standards, actually. Of course, a god, then his hand got chopped, and he thought he was worthless. Makes perfect sense. I won't even talk about how we have almost twenty chapters of his where it's pretty clear that he is not narcissistic but it's not like you read them fully anyway. On what? So why he feels worthless without a sword hand? Why headcanon? You obviously read it from your version, otherwise I have no idea how you could have thought of this seriously. You did indeed. You did though. This is the reason why you mentioned how he thought of Cersei during it. What are you even arguing about? That Jaime didn't proclaim his love towards the Tullys or what? The irony is you reaching a reasoning about me reaching a reasoning. I have no idea what you wrote here. And yet Jaime couldn't help but get angry about everything she did in Feast. Anyway, what's the point of the argument here? You and I have clearly read different books and neither you or me are going to be arguing seriously with each other.
  16. Oh, wow, ok, haha. I do see his controlling nature more of a character trait of his than an actual goal though.
  17. I've already said that Jaime wants to marry Cersei and just thinks of the most obvious way how because it was already done by others. That's all there is. Jaime at the point of thinking this doesn't care whatsoever about politics, how anyone perceives anything and what would anyone say about it. He simply wants to realize his lifelong dream of stopping to hide his relationship with Cersei because he really doesn't like hiding it. That's all there is, you can of course see whatever you want there, will not make it true though. You sure you are quite sure? So... you are saying "Lannister" is not his identity? What, Kevan wasn't blind to her cheating on Jaime? Was Kevan in my edition. You did say she doesn't count. And are still saying it in this very post. And what are you trying to say to me here? The entire reason Jaime even remembered his visit to the Tullys was because someone said that Jaime was very lucky not to marry Lysa, and Jaime thought that she was actually pretty nice when she was young. And also remembered that Catelyn was even more interesting to him than Lysa. So yeah, they definitely got his attention, even if Brynden, one of his heroes, was the star for him during that visit. Forgetting Pia. Also, he was only ever gotten aroused by them that we know of. So what if he compared Brienne to Cersei? What's your problem exactly? Nah. That Tyrion didn't read Jaime's thoughts? Yeah, I am pretty sure. I believe I gave a more elaborate answer than just Cersei being hot. And what is it?
  18. You are perfectly aware what's not to know, you just choose to ignore it. Oh, really, are you sure, haha? Besides, I remember Jaime was supposed to genuinely feel he was above others due to his lineage, yet his family name was still with him when he lost his sword hand and he felt worthless. What do you think Jaime meant when he said Kevan wasn't as blind about her as he was? That she tends to sleep with other men? Why the hell would Brienne somehow not count? There was also Pia a day after Brienne. He also remember how he in his teen days he found Tully sisters hot, especially Catelyn. He can get aroused and sees other women just fine. He just chooses not to act on it. I think I have already elaborated on that. It's not only but including the fact that he found her hot. You can ask me how many leading questions you want, the books are pretty clear once we are inside Jaime's head that narcissism is not the reason Jaime loves Cersei. I know Jaime much better than Tyrion does because I can read Jaime's thoughts and Tyrion can't. I wouldn't really look at this from a negative point of view. The problem was the very fact that he decided Cersei to be his partner but once he did it, he simply was choosing to be faithful to his woman. Nothing wrong with that and with repressing his desires for other women in this instance.
  19. I am not convinced you know the context though. Or that you want to know it. Jaime is also a guy that thought he became so worthless when he lost his swordhand, there was no point to live anymore. What a huge narcissist, am I right, lmao? Glad you agree. And yet, Jaime thinks this about her: "I thought that I was the Warrior and Cersei was the Maid, but all the time she was the Stranger, hiding her true face from my gaze." Coming back to us not reading the same books... What do you mean he has no interest in other women? He does.
  20. Yeah, when he though that, it was in the context of him wondering how can he marry Cersei openly, and the most obvious way was to simply copy the Targaryens. And Tyrion is simply wrong. We saw from Jaime's POV that firstly, she was hot, and secondly, he more of projected an idea of his perfect partner on to her. My additional interpretation would be that he also viewed her as his partner from when they were experimenting as children, so he never really even imagined of not being with her in the first place. She was his partner by default.
  21. Exactly. There is no proof anywhere in Jaime's POV chapters that he loves Cersei because she looks like him. There are loads of examples from Cersei's POVs that she loves him because of that, though.
  22. Agree, and him getting free from Cersei's and Tywin's influence (or more like, from him allowing them to influence him) is really the main driver of all the other changes we see in Jaime. When Jaime lost his hand and he was ready to die, Brienne called him a craven. That really hurt his pride and he suddenly realized how pathetic his life even was for him to think he was so worthless without his swordhand, he might as well just stop living. Ironically, it was also his pride the set him on a better path. He became adamant to prove that he wasn't just a swordhand, and that required for him to start thinking for himself and do what he wants, and not Tywin or Cersei. But, as you said, fundamentally Jaime is a good and decent person, so doing what he wants automatically makes him a better person overall. Shedding influence of others is probably the core of Jaime's arc overall. That's what the last sentences of his last aSoS chapter are all about: Jaime is becoming his own man, doing what his heart chooses, not what anyone else "writes" for him. This, ironically, includes Brienne too, this line wouldn't make much sense if all he did was changing the source of people telling him what to do, from Cersei/Tywin to Brienne.
  23. What I see here is you using a huge power of hindsight and essentially describing what you would do in Tywin's place in order to reach his goals, concluding that you would do it differently, and because of that are claiming that Tywin's must have had completely different goals altogether. But you are not Tywin, if you think that Tywin did something wrong, that doesn't in any way mean that Tywin would think so himself. In fact, you are describing Tywin's main flaw pretty well, is that he sees his family as a political unit of a House, instead of collective of (mostly) related people who care about each other. And that he doesn't see people in his children behind the political roles they were born into. That's his problem and the entire reason of his downfall. But because he failed at something doesn't mean he didn't want it in the first place. Characters can have biases, be wrong and have their flaws be their biggest hindrances in achieving their goals. Tywin, while being a very good at achieving his goals on the political side, got blindsided by simple human relations within his own family. And that's his flaw. If you can explain something by stupidity, mistakes or ignorance, don't just go and conclude that it's malice or on purpose. That's my advice for real life too.
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