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    It’s my first time

    Of course it was, but Charles Dance and Maisie Williams were a great dynamic. That's the main reason why I liked Tywin there better. Maybe Michael McElhatton would have been just as good, but we didn't get nearly as much build up for Roose Bolton as we had for Tywin at this point, and I think keeping him with Robb throughout season two helped to set up the events of season three better. Also, Tywin was easily the most interesting character in seasons two-four, due in no small part to how D&D used him in season two. I give them a lot of credit for how they translated the first three seasons (not so much season four onwards) in both what they changed and what they managed to keep. Not perfect, but better than anyone could have anticipated.
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    It’s my first time

    Oh we're doing it! You better bring it!
  3. Why was there such a push to make just a new trilogy and stop there with the episodic films? This is what I don't get. I think TLJ followed TFA pretty well and led to a lot of new ground, why stop with just one more film and try to tie up nine films when technically episode six was already THE finale? There have been more than thirty years between Return of the Jedi and the sequel trilogy, why were they trying to shove the post ROTJ SW story into just three movies? They didn't need to do episode nine and then be done, Disney really needed to give this new time period breathing room to come into its own. That's what I'm most disappointed by with the sequel trilogy.
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    [SPOILERS] Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker

    Unless we believe that the past Jedi who existed for over a thousand generations were all Skywalkers or Palpatines, then the idea that it’s some kind of lore breaking mistake that there are more force users than just Rey and Kylo roaming the galaxy (Broom boy or even Finn for example) is ludicrous and in itself craps all over the established lore.
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    Star Wars: The Circle is Almost Complete

    Well as far as Luke realizing he was wrong, that was kind of already the point of him facing Ben on Crait in the last film so it’s not really JJ undoing anything rather than just unnecessarily screaming it for people incapable of comprehending anything that isn’t dialogue. Rose was still in the movie and now leading in the Resistance. I would think if someone truly wanted to undo the last movie they would have just left her out entirely. I actually think JJ leaned into the Last Jedi more than he tried to undo it, but the one area where I really disagree with him was going back to the debate about Rey’s lineage. We got the answer in TLJ, he should have let it go. The ending to TROS is actually much better without her shirking one important lineage and claiming another.
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    Star Wars: The Circle is Almost Complete

    I don’t get why people seem to think this is a dig at the last movie. People wanted an explanation for why they couldn’t do this every time and here it is. There are so many moments where they refer back to the last movie I didn’t get the vibe that they were trying to undo it at all.
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    It’s my first time

    I thought the bolded part was one of the best departures from the source material throughout the entire show. It did drag a bit though, but she did spend most of Clash of Kings at Harrenhal.
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    I get this sentiment. The story itself wasn't really the problem. Most of the things that happen are believable and consistent with the characters/ universe, it was just done quickly and didn't feel right. I think D&D tried to give George's ending to something that stopped being George's story a long time ago and it just fell flat. My unpopular opinion is that season six is the worst of the entire series, and seasons seven and eight are leaps and bounds better even with their problems.
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    Star Wars: The Circle is Almost Complete

    If 2018 was the earliest that the Star Wars deal was in talks then it makes no sense chronologically, but I have a feeling they were approached about it much earlier than that. The Disney deal happened in 2014 and season four was immensely popular. As much shit as Disney seemed to want to do with Star Wars back then, I have no doubt their names were probably floated for a SW project as early as 2015, whether there was an official deal or not. Even if they weren't splitting their focus between what they were going to do with the Star Wars universe and the last two seasons of Game of Thrones, during pre-production and production for season six I think the show became "A Game of getting this the fuck over with." They were clearly ready to move onto something else, and I don't know what the politics behind putting in a new show runner for the last two seasons were. But as for the bolded part, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest they spent any more time actually making season eight than they did on the other seasons. There was just a longer break between seasons. I'll give them credit for how close they stuck to the books in seasons 1-3. The first episode ends with a child getting pushed out a window, the main character dies in episode nine, there's a storyline on another continent that has almost literally nothing to do with anything else going on in the show, there is a gigantic ensemble cast to keep up with and several different parts of the world where the story takes place, etc. These kinds of things really do break with norms of film and television, and the show became such a hit because people actually responded well to it. It was something new and daring. Look at other adaptations of books or video games, there are typically way more changes. George even said in an interview one time when people came to him about adaptations in the past they'd wanted to do things like cut Daenerys and have Ned Stark live. At least D&D were able to be firm on what they put into the first few seasons. I wish they would have stayed as committed to bucking norms and being unconventional in seasons four onward but the ink is dry now.
  10. I have zero interest in any prequel after the ending to Game of Thrones. If I'm not mistaken George said in an interview that once the books were done all of the mysteries would be solved and the questions would be answered, specifically a Robert's Rebellion prequel would be pointless as a result. Considering Jon Snow's birth, you know the prince that was promised, was a key element of Robert's Rebellion, I would assume George meant his importance in the conflict against the dead would be revealed in the books as well. If the show is to be believed then there was no important reason Jon was brought back, unless killing Daenerys was it. It was hackish to leave so much unanswered just because the material may be explored further in another series. D&D didn't have to answer every question if they were unsure about whether or not people will watch the prequels if they did, but damn they at least could have given us a solid answer about what the damn Night King was doing. "I think he just wants to kill mankind and the memory of mankind, which is Bran. I guess, I don't know." That's literally the only answer we got after the conflict was set up in the pilot and this part of the story made some kind of appearance in all eight seasons. EDIT: Not to say I would completely ignore this spin off if it gets good reviews, but I won't be watching when it airs. I'll probably wait until its first season is done and then stream it if the feedback is positive.
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    Why was the final season so sloppy?

    Well from a film maker's perspective, there are script supervisors, unit production managers, and the entire art department whose jobs all center around ensuring gaffes like: a coffee cup or water bottles being left in, don't happen. Or at least if they do happen, one of these departments should catch them in time to fix them. In all honestly I don't really blame the production crew that much, it sounds like the production schedule for this show was nightmarish, even by television's already nightmarish standards. Apparently the long break didn't result in a longer production period, which I figured it probably wouldn't because there were less episodes. So some small things slipped by in production because of bad lighting or they were on hour 15 of the shoot. It happens. I actually blame the editors more because they would have spent way more time with the footage than anyone else. And HBO I would assume has some kind of quality control whose entire job is to catch this stuff and get it corrected before it goes to air. Where was Jaime's hand not golden? I didn't catch that part, but I only watched these episodes once and tried to forget about them. EDIT: just noticed you posted a link.
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    Little Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else Part 3

    Maybe this has been asked before, I apologize if it has. I didn’t want to dig through three separate threads. I was thinking about something earlier and it dawned on me, why was the term “war of the five kings” even a thing in the show? Robb, Stannis, and Renly were vying for the iron throne or at least defeating the Lannister’s. However, Balon Greyjoy literally had nothing to do with the conflicts in the crown, storm, or river lands. He was calling himself king sure, but he wasn’t making any offensive moves against anybody relevant to the overall war. The Iron Born in the show seem to literally just secede because there’s a war going on and forces who might retaliate are all too busy. Nothing ever seems to answer the question of how their secession was ended either, at Joffrey’s wedding one of the dwarf jousters is Balon Greyjoy but the show never explains why he’s no longer king of the iron islands or what it had to do with the war “Joffrey won.” I just watched seasons 1-4 within the last month or so and there weren’t any kind of skirmishes mentioned between Stark or Baratheon forces and the iron born. The closest thing would be Theon taking Winterfell, and even then Balon Greyjoy didn’t want the north nor did he make any attempt to go after the iron throne. That was solely a northern problem only faintly related to Robb’s involvement in the war against Joffrey. It also happened after the war council in season two where “war of the five kings” was first talked about. Did I miss something really obvious or am I onto a plot hole that hasn’t gotten much attention?
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    If the books are ever completed would you love a movie ?

    Most of these characters I could never imagine being played by anyone else, and SOME of the events I couldn’t imagine being adapted any better than the show did. The Red Wedding for example, I think was handled well, the birth of the dragons was good, Ned’s execution was good, the battle of Blackwater was great, Dany taking Slaver’s Bay was great, etc. Season four and onward there’s a lot of room for improvement when it comes to bringing some of the bigger “oh shit” moments from the last third of A Storm if Swords to life. Tywin’s death without the Tysha reveal beforehand just felt wrong, Oberyn vs the Mountain could have been better, Lysa’s death could have been better, Dany destroying King’s Landing could have made sense, etc. Doing a different adaptation of the same books would be almost completely pointless. Now a movie spinoff following one of the many plot threads the show’s ending didn’t tie up? Sure.
  14. After thinking about it for a few weeks and for the most part re-reading AFFC and ADWD, here's how I would approach season five. I'm also now taking the ending and certain plot points we got into consideration because if I knew as much as D&D did when they adapted it, I'd have to. I think the northern lords siding with the Boltons in the end against Stannis is going to happen in Winds of Winter and I think the Sand Snakes being up to something behind Doran's back is also an interpretation of the way the plot will work in one of the next two books. The pacing is based on seven 10 episode seasons. I think to properly adapt A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons into one-ish season, changes would have to be made to season four. D&D didn't make adapting those two books any easier with some of the decisions they made in season four. In this thought experiment, seasons 1-3 would have already happened but season four would have happened differently in the following ways: The biggest change would be the pacing, Season four would be much faster paced. With the exception of the battle at the wall and Daenerys taking Meereen, all of the material from A Storm of Swords would be wrapped up by the end of episode seven. Changes to season four's plot points: Now onto season five: Episode one - Episode Two - Episode Three- Episode Four - Episode Five - Episode Six - Episode Seven - Episode Eight - Episode Nine - Episode Ten - 01:20:00 minute runtime.
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    Who got the most screwed over

    Did she? What season was that? I just rewatched 1-4 and I didn’t hear this line. Either I missed it or it’s something from season five or beyond.
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    Who got the most screwed over

    I have mixed feelings on this view. For the most part the relationship between Renly and Loras seemed like an actual relationship (the shaving scene, the way Loras reacted to Renly’s death, etc). Renly wasn’t in much of the show but out of the six whole seasons Loras was in, his homosexuality overall was definitely treated as a novelty. The show failed in general to make Renly the tall and handsome manly man he was in the books but that isn’t really a criticism of his relationship with Loras. Given the context of the scene, Margaery was probably lying to Joffrey about this.
  17. I was going to go more in depth in adapting Feast and Dance eventually. I need to actually re-read them first. Sansa was an easy one to start with. What I described is certainly what I would do with her, meeting Brienne in the finale and all. She’d probably wind up sitting the first episode or two of season 6 out. Not like she did anything overly useful in the first few episodes anyway. I’m pretty sure she got to the wall in episode four. The way I would adapt the two books would probably begin with season 4 really, in this theoretical re-write can I stipulate that seasons 1-3 happened and adapt season 4 onward?
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    D&D's direction (sucks)

    I certainly disagree with the decision to have Jorah ride out and never ride back. That's as cheap a death as Barristan Selmy getting killed by some faceless nobody's with daggers. My problem isn't so much that they didn't relentlessly kill two dozen main cast members for the hell of it, it's that they set up so many situations that the characters should have been killed by and they all survived. They developed plot armor in a show that used to pride itself on having no plot armor. Especially since D&D have been killing far more characters from the source material than George has. Not only that, but a lot of characters survived this massacre to go on and do (depending on who we're talking about) very little to absolutely nothing important enough to the overall plot to justify them making it past this episode. Dolorous Edd surviving would have made more sense because he was technically lord commander of the Night's Watch, he could have seen Jon off as he went beyond the wall for good. Theon could have been the one to convince Yara not to pursue independence for the Iron Islands and it would have given that part of the ending some semblance of believability. Just two examples right there. Gendry's legitimization was probably a book event that was shoehorned in just because it's a thing that will happen, he didn't really serve any purpose beyond episode three. What more purpose did Podrick serve besides just showing back up at the end? What purpose did Brienne serve beyond showing back up at the end? What did Jaime do beyond this episode besides destroy all of his character development in one episode? If they were going to kill any characters off they certainly could have chosen better is all I'm saying.
  19. My solution for Sansa in season five was to start with continuing the thread Roose Bolton started in season four: "Tywin Lannister has helped me win the north but he won't lift a finger to help me keep it." The Bolton family now resides in Winterfell and the northerners aren't playing ball while they know there are at least two surviving Starks. Roose Bolton discusses this with Ramsay, and Ramsay comes up with the idea to cut Myranda's hair and pass her off as Arya Stark. Roose Bolton thinks it's the dumbest idea he's ever heard until Theon comes before him and swears to vouch for her. The plan seemingly works since most of the northern lords don't remember Arya very well. Ramsay marries F/Arya around the end of episode two. Sansa finds out about this through Littlefinger and demands to go to Winterfell. Littlefinger protests because the Boltons might be smart enough to check and see how he has a niece since he has no known siblings, but ultimately goes along with it. Sansa and F/Arya meet. Sansa plays along when she meets her to Littlefinger's surprise, but Roose Bolton isn't buying Sansa's act. Sansa also catches Ramsay's eye. Around episode six, Littlefinger is called away from Winterfell to ride to King's Landing, Sansa volunteers to stay in Winterfell against Littlefinger's wishes. Littlefinger gives Sansa a direwolf seal that he claims belonged to Ned. In this same episode, Smalljon Umber shows up at the wall by invitation of Ser Alliser. He demands that Jon stop aiding the wildlings or else he won't keep harboring Rickon. Jon is conflicted but refuses to cave to Smalljon's threat. Jon publicly threatens Ser Alliser to suffer the same fate as Janos Slynt if he continues to try and undermine his lordship. Jon sets out for Hardhome shortly after. In episode seven, Ramsay tries to rape Sansa, but she uses the threat of Littlefinger's influence and the knowledge of the affair getting out to all of the northern's lords against him. In episode eight Sansa uses Littlefinger's seal to send ravens to all the northern houses and Riverrun, telling them Arya Stark is a fake. In episode nine, before Stannis's arrival Roose comes to Sansa and informs her that Littlefinger has returned. She goes down to the courtyard in Winterfell where Smalljon is waiting with Rickon, and some hounds are eating the dead ravens. Rickon yells "Sansa!" and Myranda reveals herself behind Sansa, knife in hand, bow on her back. Ramsay hasn't yet returned from sabotaging Stannis. Roose orders Myranda to dispose of Sansa. Roose takes Rickon away. Followed by Theon, Myranda's plan is to throw Sansa into the courtyard. Theon intervenes like what happened in the actual show, and he helps Sansa escape. I'd probably still have Sansa link up with Brienne and head to the wall, that would probably be the season five finale scene. In season six she'd try to convince Jon to take back Winterfell, but he'd refuse. She'd lie to him and tell him Arya was dead at the hands of the Boltons to get him to act. Once Winterfell was taken in season six or early season seven, Littlefinger would ask Sansa if she wanted to clear up Arya's fate to Jon, she'd ultimately stay committed to the lie that Arya was dead. She'd contemplate telling Jon, but before she could Jon would admit Rickon's death (I'd probably still have him die at the hands of the Boltons) was his fault since he helped the wildlings, this would start her on her path against Jon. When Arya showed back up in season seven, Sansa would use this against Littlefinger and convince everyone he coerced her into lying about Arya's fate because he wanted to marry Sansa and have no contenders for the line of succession in Winterfell.
  20. Apparently he does have an MFA in creative writing, which if the program he went through is anything like the creative writing program at my school (Full Sail University) then it isn’t much of a stretch to say a degree in screenwriting. But I do agree, embellishing is embellishing any way you slice it and if he did deliberately lie to George about what exactly his degree was in to manipulate him into going along with the adaptation then it was certainly a scummy move. https://www.google.com/amp/s/upclosed.com/people/david-benioff/amp/
  21. I don’t really use Twitter so I’ll take your word for it. Semantics I know but qualifications and formal training aren’t interchangeable terms. Whatever else Benioff is he is at least a legitimate writer. Honestly besides 25th Hour and parts of Troy I haven’t cared for his body of work, and George agreed to let him and Weiss do the show knowing what he’d written prior. If not it was poor planning on George’s part.
  22. I don't know what "outright revelled" means because you've probably seen more behind the scenes videos with him than I have, but the bolded part is absolutely not true. I am certainly not the biggest David Benioff fan and in another thread recently I defended those who would compare the quality of the writing in later seasons to fan fiction, but to say Benioff is not qualified is just factually not correct. He wrote the novel and screenplay for 25th Hour, he wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine (it's not good but it's still a major motion picture), he wrote Troy, he wrote The Kite Runner, he wrote Brothers (which was also an adaptation), etc. He also wrote a book that I have not personally read but have heard from a reliable source is good, City of Thieves. Whether his career in writing is thanks to nepotism or not, he is plenty qualified in this area. I don't know about the part where he tricked George into thinking he had a screenwriting degree, I'm not sure a screenwriting degree is even a thing. What's the source?
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    Why S8 feels wierd.

    The comment that spurred this detour was using fan fiction to describe the quality and consistency of the writing, it wasn’t a jab at the legitimacy of the adaptation. I get why it's tempting to nuance troll, but the quality of the story is comparable to something you'd find in a fan fiction story. Quite frankly, unless an adaptation is a word for word and detail for detail recreation of something, then the difference between an adaptation and fan fiction really is just semantics. Game of Thrones was endorsed by George R.R. Martin and legally done through the proper channels so it could be shared and profited from, but calling the story elements and directions that were created by D&D fan fiction, is honest and accurate. Seasons four and onward, less and less of the books became the basis for what they were producing, the gaps between what they had produced and where they needed to take the story in order to get to George's ending were filled in by D&D’s own creative interpretation. I call that fan fiction. The Expanded Universe in Star Wars is also just fan fiction George Lucas thought it was okay for people to profit off of. Who are you referring to in bold here? This board? I think this board is comprised of anything but people ignoring a need to evaluate truthfully or think objectively. We read the same books D&D did, and now that the show is over and we've seen essentially how George is going to end it, we know what they had to work with in the writing department. I have seen no evidence people on this board are under the impression you just shit out the biggest show on television and there aren't costs, sacrifices, and compromises along the way due to things like budget, schedule, actor contracts, shooting on different continents, etc. Sure there was a longer gap between seasons seven and eight than any other gap between seasons. Surely not all of this time was devoted to making season eight, I don't know if the pre-production, principle photography, or post-production of season eight was actually longer than any other season. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but it is definitely a valid and objective criticism to say there was a lot of time between season seven and eight and season eight still feels rushed, because that's a criticism of the writing, something that can be narrowed down to two individuals, it's not a criticism of every aspect of production. Sure, the lighting in The Long Night got criticized pretty heavily, but that's a different story. We know HBO and George R.R. Martin wanted more seasons of this show, we know HBO was willing to give D&D however much support they needed to make more of the show, and all the evidence we can find suggests they're the ones who made the call to get it over with. Maybe they were burnt out, maybe they wanted to go ahead and get started on Star Wars, who knows for sure? People have a right to be critical of whatever they wish to be critical of, whatever they don’t like about the work is valid. That's what criticism is. It probably isn't your intention, but this just comes across as you trying to delegitimize criticism by suggesting people can’t criticize something without having their own accomplishments in the field to speak of. I’m a screen writer with a small (but growing) body of work behind me and I don't think I'll ever reach a point where I feel people can't be critical of me because I'm more accomplished than them.
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    Why S8 feels wierd.

    Oh my, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants?
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    Who got the most screwed over

    The Northern houses got so crapped on by the writers of the show. They’re either willing to abandon long histories of loyalty to the Starks and sell them out (for reasons), or they’re too cowardly to get out of their castles and do anything to help the last living true heirs to winterfell and the north take back their seat (and the north) from a cartoonishly evil guy like Ramsay who none of them seem to care for or respect. I actually take great solace in the fact that Disney has the track record it does firing creative teams they’re not happy with. I dare D&D to start openly expressing their desire to move on to something else when they’re working on their second or third Star Wars film. They’ll get their wish sooner rather than later I bet. I don’t see them getting more than one out of the three planned films done before they’re out.